Nikolas Cruz wasn’t just bullied — he was “bullied a lot.”

[livingston]

At the March, an admission.

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Yes, said Parkland student Emma González. She and her fellow students at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School “ostracized” fellow student Nikolas Cruz. Said González when speaking in Washington at the anti-gun “March for Our Lives”:

“Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him, that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him? You didn’t know this kid! OK? We did!”

Which is to say, González just made a startling admission. Parkland students bullied Nikolas Cruz.

It may well be that González is right — the rest of us didn’t know him.

But there are a large number of people — some of whom are celebrities and either marched in and/or supported the March — who have spent years insisting that what González and her friends who “ostracized” Nikolas Cruz did was… bullying.


Take actress Debra Messing. Messing is listed on this site called Stomp Out Bullying. The site describes itself as follows:


STOMP Out Bullying, a national anti-bullying and cyberbullying program for kids and teens, is a signature program of Love Our Children USA, the national nonprofit leader in fighting violence against children since 1999.

Created in 2005, STOMP Out Bullying™ focuses on reducing and preventing bullying, cyberbullying, sexting and other digital abuse, educating against homophobia, racism and hatred, decreasing school absenteeism, and deterring violence in schools, online and in communities across the country.

It teaches effective solutions on how to respond to all forms of bullying; as well as educating kids and teens in school and online, providing help for those in need and at risk of suicide, raising awareness, peer mentoring programs in schools, public service announcements by noted celebrities, and social media campaigns.

An additional focus educates parents on how to keep their children safe and responsible online.

Fair enough. They are opposed to bullying and support “educating kids and teens in school and online, providing help for those in need and at risk of suicide…” All to the good.

But now look at this tweet from Messing:

Debra Messing

✔ @DebraMessing


I stand with the brave, indomitable kids who galvanized a nation, a world, &did not take inaction as an answer. You have put the “adults” in DC to shame. CS gun laws with finally be enacted, &you will be the Heroes of a generation. TODAY you lead us all. #MarchForOurLives

1:56 PM - Mar 24, 2018


Again, to be fair, Messing has no more idea what went on in the day-to-day life of Parkland’s high school than any other outsider. But it is striking that her first reaction — to support the kids — completely contradicts the stated objective of the STOMP Out Bullying program which she also supports. For as we all now know, there on the platform at the March is one of the Parkland students-turned-anti-gun activist blurting out to the world that, well, yes, the peers of Nikolas Cruz, in their common high school, bullied him — by ostracizing him and who knows what else. And the excuse? Well, the rest of us didn’t know him, you see… and per González, if we did we would know Nikolas Cruz deserved to be ostracized. He deserved to be bullied.
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Parkland Students Bullied Shooter

 

[Deplorable Me]

So let's see:
The students were dicks.
The sheriff's deputy was a coward.
The sheriff's department was negligent.
The elected sheriff himself is a major asshole.
The FBI was complacent.

And some how it's the NRA's fault?

Me thinks the above list will continue with the status quo and not own up to their part in the perfect storm grand disaster.

I graduate from high school 40+ years ago, I generally avoid my reunions. Assholes then grew up to be bigger assholes now. Notably missing several years ago were a couple of bullies who were doing time in Erie County holding for domestic abuse or selling drugs.

Schools are nastier now. Because of social media, schools are meaner and bad news/bullying travels faster. My kids school district loses 2-3 kids a year due to suicide or drugs. If we lose a kid or two in an auto accident, texting is usually involved.

The world is nucking futz.

 

[Deplorable Me]

.....and the libtard utopians want to engage is a campaign of shaming people to give up their guns? To bully legislative persons into passing laws to suit their agenda? I think there are deep dark thoughts in their black little souls.

 

[livingston]

This fellow had a lot of issues .. The entire school body picking on him could have sent him over the edge. Is it possible that many school shooters have endured the same thing .... And struck back at their tormentors .....The same kids that walked out of the school and are lecturing on gun control .. are they the same kids that pushed him to strike out ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Bulling is part of life. Starts out young and continues to death. Not everyone is bullied throughout their lives, but is all around us. Friends, family, co-workers, bosses; bulling is everywhere.

Just because one is bullied, does not give him the right to destroy others.

 

[Phazer]

So let's see:
The students were dicks.
The sheriff's deputy was a coward.
The sheriff's department was negligent.
The elected sheriff himself is a major asshole.
The FBI was complacent.

And some how it's the NRA's fault?

Yup!

 

[Deplorable Me]

Bulling is part of life. Starts out young and continues to death. Not everyone is bullied throughout their lives, but is all around us. Friends, family, co-workers, bosses; bulling is everywhere.

Just because one is bullied, does not give him the right to destroy others.

One on one bullying, deal with it. I see sadistic pack mentality today that looks like a shark feeding frenzy. We do major ball busting at work but people know when to back off. I see a soulless lack of compassion, the kind of crap where people would hurt puppies just to be the assholes they are.

 

[Deplorable Me]

This fellow had a lot of issues .. The entire school body picking on him could have sent him over the edge. Is it possible that many school shooters have endured the same thing .... And struck back at their tormentors .....The same kids that walked out of the school and are lecturing on gun control .. are they the same kids that pushed him to strike out ?

IIRC he had also recently lost his parents. Major stressors in his life.

 

[stuck in ny]

By their logic, post WW2, there should have been a serial killer on every block. False.

 

[GOPerfect]

IIRC he had also recently lost his parents. Major stressors in his life.

Everyone has stressors in their lives. The death of parents and other loved ones. House burns to the ground and you lose everything. Wife cheats on you and then leaves you. Stress is all around us. Each and everyday, we have to live through things that we do not like. The "strong" always pick on the weak, that is human nature.

Nothing that can happen in life is a reason to go on a shooting spree, ever.

 

[tirwin1]

Bulling is part of life. Starts out young and continues to death. Not everyone is bullied throughout their lives, but is all around us. Friends, family, co-workers, bosses; bulling is everywhere.

Just because one is bullied, does not give him the right to destroy others.

Agree 100% but this does destroy the media narrative. It turns out these sensitive, caring children who only want peace and non-violence were in aggregate a bunch of little monsters who helped create the monster that Cruz became. It still doesn't excuse what he did. It completely undermines the supposed "moral authority" of the students from that school.

Not that I care much about the political opinions of teenagers to begin with.....

 

[GOPerfect]

Agree 100% but this does destroy the media narrative. It turns out these sensitive, caring children who only want peace and non-violence were in aggregate a bunch of little monsters who helped create the monster that Cruz became. It still doesn't excuse what he did. It completely undermines the supposed "moral authority" of the students from that school.

Not that I care much about the political opinions of teenagers to begin with.....

Completely agree!

 

[livingston]

Agree 100% but this does destroy the media narrative. It turns out these sensitive, caring children who only want peace and non-violence were in aggregate a bunch of little monsters who helped create the monster that Cruz became. It still doesn't excuse what he did. It completely undermines the supposed "moral authority" of the students from that school.

Not that I care much about the political opinions of teenagers to begin with.....

This is correct. Did any of these kids on stage EVER sit with him at lunch... Doubt it. And that is the way at all schools . There is always an outcast sub group

 

[stuck in ny]

This is correct. Did any of these kids on stage EVER sit with him at lunch... Doubt it. And that is the way at all schools . There is always an outcast sub group

Needing other random people's company is a sign of weakness. This disease is sadly common in urbanized societies.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Everyone has stressors in their lives. The death of parents and other loved ones. House burns to the ground and you lose everything. Wife cheats on you and then leaves you. Stress is all around us. Each and everyday, we have to live through things that we do not like. The "strong" always pick on the weak, that is human nature.

Nothing that can happen in life is a reason to go on a shooting spree, ever.

I think this kid was alone. Nothing worse than isolating a person. In his universe he was it.

 

[Shadow2]

His actions are not justified .... but you can only push an egg so many times before it falls off the edge of the table and breaks. The shrinks have him for life to figure it out. But studies have shown people with issues tend to be subjected to more abuse then others. Even if he was not all "normal" being ostracized would only make things worse.

Still the kid was on radar and the system failed all around.

Bulling is part of life. Starts out young and continues to death. Not everyone is bullied throughout their lives, but is all around us. Friends, family, co-workers, bosses; bulling is everywhere.

Just because one is bullied, does not give him the right to destroy others.

 

[Grimscale]

There were articles suggesting this kid, Cruz, was mentally deficient somehow.
Now add to that stressers that evoke a fight-or-flight condition, which bullying does, and give him no means of escaping it, such as being too young to just leave. That leaves fight as his only recourse to an impossible situation.
I'm not saying what he did was right. People in full command of their faculties have buckled under the kind of pressure kids endure in school every day.

But to have one of the little shits calling for an end to MY Rights admit she knew of, or was part of, school bullying that resulted in a mass shooting? That seriously discredits her narrative.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Bulling is part of life. Starts out young and continues to death. Not everyone is bullied throughout their lives, but is all around us. Friends, family, co-workers, bosses; bulling is everywhere.

Just because one is bullied, does not give him the right to destroy others.

Completely agree but we have also taken away the bullied's only way to end it. We shouldn't hit, fighting is bad, sticks and stones.

I say fuck all that, talk shit get hit. While I will smack the shit out of my kid if caught bullying, I will teach him to stand up for himself. School calls me that my son was in a fight and he tells me he was being bullied. Then the school can go pound sand.

 

[Criticalt]

To be honest, "sitting with him at lunch", or "just talking to him", may not have been an easy thing to do.
From what I heard, Cruz wasnt a quiet wallflower acting like a victim.
Apparently he was mean himself and very dark.
Being ostracized because you are so mean, negative and violent isnt exactly being bullied.
When he was caught threatening someone at school with a knife it wasnt in retaliation, he was the aggressor....the bully.
This is why there were so many red flags and why he was kicked out of school, he was a violent bully himself.
Ive heard more than one kids say they were afraid of him.

 

[SomeSoldier]

To be honest, "sitting with him at lunch", or "just talking to him", may not have been an easy thing to do.
From what I heard, Cruz wasnt a quiet wallflower acting like a victim.
Apparently he was mean himself and very dark.
Being ostracized because you are so mean, negative and violent isnt exactly being bullied.
When he was caught threatening someone at school with a knife it wasnt in retaliation, he was the aggressor....the bully.
This is why there were so many red flags and why he was kicked out of school, he was a violent bully himself.
Ive heard more than one kids say they were afraid of him.

Kid pulls a knife maybe he needs to be in a different type of school.

 

[Jmac00]

there is plenty of blame to go around.

I set the blame squarely on the school district and Law enforcement. THEY are the ones that failed there community. Gonsalez and Hogg and the rest of these little creeps are just a small part of the problem. The shooter is a known troublemaker. The school district and the Sheriff did nothing to prevent this tragedy.

 

[1911guy]

So now the students are bullying gun owners.

 

[Shadow2]

There is no doubt that the system dropped the ball with this kid and to be honest parents in the township should be demanding heads, firings and loss of pensions.

To be honest, "sitting with him at lunch", or "just talking to him", may not have been an easy thing to do.
From what I heard, Cruz wasnt a quiet wallflower acting like a victim.
Apparently he was mean himself and very dark.
Being ostracized because you are so mean, negative and violent isnt exactly being bullied.
When he was caught threatening someone at school with a knife it wasnt in retaliation, he was the aggressor....the bully.
This is why there were so many red flags and why he was kicked out of school, he was a violent bully himself.
Ive heard more than one kids say they were afraid of him.

 

[Shadow2]

The unfortunate truth ... we will disarm you but we wont protect you either.

Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia
Warren v. District of Columbia

 

[wizrd]

Quit mentioning this deranged bastard's name when you talk of him - every mention of his name gives him another 3 seconds of fame.

 

[@thewheels]

Gonzalez, Hogg and Kasky are perfect products of the system.
Yeah, we treated Cruz like utter shit and knew that others did too but it's guns or the NRA or politicians or whoever that should take the blame for him finally flipping his shit.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

He was probably bullied by assholes like Hogg who go on to be hero's of the left .That's messed up.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Kid pulls a knife maybe he needs to be in a different type of school.

Yeah, Ironbar High School.