How NY plans to take firearms away from domestic abusers

[Madmallard]

Domestic abusers in New York who are convicted on either felony or many misdemeanor charges will have their firearms taken from them.

Gun control: How NY plans to take firearms away from domestic abusers

 

[Airborneguy]

I don’t see how any of this changes current law. Cuomo just wanted to get his name on something that has already existed for 20+ years.

 

[livingston]

It falls into a he said she said thing ... And the gun owner is powerless to defend against any of it.

If an individual puts his hands upon an individual's neck and it didn't cause a quote serious injury

In other words leave no marks .. Just a persons say so ... Did a medical examine find swelling, marks redness .. NO....No need anyways for an examine ... Just an off the cuff remark. .. The state finds another set of reasons to disarm the population .

 

[livingston]

After the Parkland, Fla., school shooting in February, Cuomo and state lawmakers introduced new proposals to strengthen gun laws.

Senate Republicans wanted state aid for school-resources officers, while Assembly Democrats wanted more stringent laws.

They settled on the measure focusing on domestic abusers
https://www.democratandchronicle.co...ake-firearms-away-domestic-abusers/477840002/

 

[Jmac00]

ya, they ain't coming for our guns? yet they keep passing bullshit laws to confiscate all firearms but conveniently leave out any means of DUE PROCESS.

here is a scenario for you: A city cop is driving down your street and sees a "SAFE ACT' in your yard. He goes home, picks up the phone and anomalously reports hearing screaming coming from your address. Next day your guns are gone based on a "tip"

Honestly, I see this happening sooner, rather than later

 

[Jezman]

Seems to me he himself was a women beater am I correct?

 

[GOYABEAN]

I don’t see how any of this changes current law. Cuomo just wanted to get his name on something that has already existed for 20+ years.

is just another Me too Whoring politician

 

[holdover]

The king makes the law, he doesn't read it.

 

[Deplorable Me]

My wife is more likely to shoot me or smother me while I'm sleeping.

 

[livingston]

One goes through the courts and it has been decided that you did no wrong (being charged with abuse ) I believe one still is not cleared with a nics check .
WYSL NewsPower 1040
go to the second amendment show with palomia
‎Wednesday, ‎March ‎21, ‎2018, ‏‎4:00:00 PM
Fred from American Sportsman Paloma Capanna Esq
20180321.mp3
25.56 on podcast . She has been working with folks that have had false mental health issues
They go through the courts .. get it cleared up and find out that the state police does not send that information to the federal level ... Said person fails a nics check and that is a felony . from the government standpoint. .. She explains it better than me . It will be the same thing with a false abuse charge that is cleared up .. In my way of thinking.

 

[Airborneguy]

It falls into a he said she said thing ... And the gun owner is powerless to defend against any of it.

If an individual puts his hands upon an individual's neck and it didn't cause a quote serious injury

In other words leave no marks .. Just a persons say so ... Did a medical examine find swelling, marks redness .. NO....No need anyways for an examine ... Just an off the cuff remark. .. The state finds another set of reasons to disarm the population .

That’s not how it works, just fyi. Must be photographable injuries or complaint of pain. Complaints of pain are rarely prosecuted as they cannot be proven in court. We won’t arrest based on pain only without extenuating circumstances.

 

[Airborneguy]

ya, they ain't coming for our guns? yet they keep passing bullshit laws to confiscate all firearms but conveniently leave out any means of DUE PROCESS.

here is a scenario for you: A city cop is driving down your street and sees a "SAFE ACT' in your yard. He goes home, picks up the phone and anomalously reports hearing screaming coming from your address. Next day your guns are gone based on a "tip"

Honestly, I see this happening sooner, rather than later

Come on dude, what a ridiculous statement. You can’t have “annonymous” domestic violence. A complainant victim is required. It’s domestic! It requires a known victim by definition.

 

[Jmac00]

Come on dude, what a ridiculous statement. You can’t have “anonymous” domestic violence. A complainant victim is required. It’s domestic! It requires a known victim by definition.

so what your saying is, if I hear my neighbors screaming at each other, I can't report that anonymously

 

[Airborneguy]

Of course you can, but absent a complaintant the cop would have to observe a clear crime to make an arrest and/or remove firearms.

If a “city cop” sees an anti-safe act sign, makes an “anonymous call” (of which there is no such thing anymore unless you use a number masking app), then responds to the same call and completely lies... well duh that’s a problem. But absent an actual observed crime or a complaintant, responding officers cannot take action based on a safe act sign-induced anonymous call.

 

[Darth]

So that anonymous AR snitch line never existed?

 

[Airborneguy]

So that anonymous AR snitch line never existed?

Cops cannot act on anonymous tips alone, period. Besides, we’re talking about domestic violence here. You’re on your own if you want to go on random tangents and “logic” comparisons.

 

[Darth]

So the tipline was just for S and Gs?

 

[Darth]

And all the YouTube streamers that get swatted on nothing more than anonymous tips? Also a figment of pure imagination?

 

[Saltwater60]

That’s not how it works, just fyi. Must be photographable injuries or complaint of pain. Complaints of pain are rarely prosecuted as they cannot be proven in court. We won’t arrest based on pain only without extenuating circumstances.

The county I live in and the county north of me are taking guns based on complaints only. No arrests and no charges. You then have to appeal to a Supreme Court judge to get them back. This has happened and my father and brother are both cops and have confirmed to me this happens. Just an FYI it’s not fear mongering because my dad supports it.

 

[Airborneguy]

The county I live in and the county north of me are taking guns based on complaints only. No arrests and no charges. You then have to appeal to a Supreme Court judge to get them back. This has happened and my father and brother are both cops and have confirmed to me this happens. Just an FYI it’s not fear mongering because my dad supports it.

As I’ve said before, we don’t even do that here in NYC, so someone needs to sue that PD. I don’t know what you mean by “complaint” though. See here that is the name of the crime report, so if we take a “complaint”, a crime was comitted/alleged.

 

[Airborneguy]

So the tipline was just for S and Gs?

Links to arrests from that line, created By politicians who likely don’t have any clue how cops obtain search warrants (not unlike you)?

 

[Uzi]

I posted this already like a week ago.

We still have a search function available to all members. Maybe someone else can repost it again in a day or two so we don't forget though.

 

[Airborneguy]

And all the YouTube streamers that get swatted on nothing more than anonymous tips? Also a figment of pure imagination?

How does this relate to domestic violence and the confiscation of firearms in relation to family court act laws in NYS?

You do realize that there’s a difference between a report of a shooting/hostage situation, etc., and “I think my neighbor is hitting his wife.”

Witty, yet unrelated retorts do not work when discussing actual points of law. You’re free to continue doing so, but it only proves one thing...

 

[Darth]

How does this relate to domestic violence and the confiscation of firearms in relation to family court act laws in NYS?

You do realize that there’s a difference between a report of a shooting/hostage situation, etc., and “I think my neighbor is hitting his wife.”

Witty, yet unrelated retorts do not work when discussing actual points of law. You’re free to continue doing so, but it only proves one thing...

That your line about cops not acting on anonymous tips was a complete fabrication, but most of us knew that already.

They can and do, so your unfounded backing of the boys in blue isn't exactly reassuring.

 

[Airborneguy]

“Alone”... re-read what I wrote. Words actually do mean something, but only when the person typing them knows of what they speak.

Once again, you are nothing more than a petulant child arguing from a platform that consists of zero knowledge of the given subject.

You know nothing of search warrants, levels of proof, corroborating evidence, or what actions an officer can take based on anonymous and unverified as opposed to verified complaints and tips (or even a tip vs complaint). This without going into the various intricacies of the NYS family court act, which I’m certain you’re unfamiliar with.

When you speak of my unfounded backing, are you referring to the only actual cops I addressed in this thread, the one’s I said should be sued?

Your lack of knowledge on this matter is so plainly exposed, even with years of experience in dealing with you, I am still surprised you risked chiming in.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

I'm not the biggest fan of stuff like this but at least on the surface it appears as though you still retain your firearms until you go through a court of law and the due process.

 

[Acer-m14]

"If an individual puts his hands upon an individual's neck and it didn't cause a quote serious injury but it was still a strangulation...that would perhaps fall into the misdemeanor category. That would not have been covered by this law...this will now close that gap."

Well there goes my Red Room ( 50 shades of gray ) ....

Divorce Court .. did the defendant ever put his hands around your neck ... yes .. good by guns ..

 

[misunderestimated]

I hate that Monkey Faced Man, He has destroyed a Great state with all of his corruption and he still gets to go to work every day and make laws thats waste our resources. I travel often to Florida, No matter where I go there is commerce in the works, new roads,New Bridges, Parks, Walking bridges, every road I go on is well maintained. Drive past a bumper in the road in the morning from an accident. Drive back a little later and its gone. I live in Rockland county NY and I been driving past a bumper on the side of the road since last September , there is a Stretch of road on rt 202 in suffern that has a pot hole that if you look into it has 2 stripes in it, meaning the road was restripesd twice and this pot hole has never been repaired. Florida has no State income tax, Low real estate tax probably 1/10 of the road tolls. They put there money into infrastructure. Where is all our money going?? Who can possible stop this?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

The county I live in and the county north of me are taking guns based on complaints only. No arrests and no charges. You then have to appeal to a Supreme Court judge to get them back. This has happened and my father and brother are both cops and have confirmed to me this happens. Just an FYI it’s not fear mongering because my dad supports it.

Two things:

1. If I’m not mistaken, there was a case in Nassau County where the cops were called to a house over a loud argument a man had with his son. No crime committed, yet his guns were taken, and over a year later, he was still fighting to get them back. Pretty sure this case was noted on here as it was being handled by @RBean .

2. This happened to me a couple of years ago here in Erie County, and I have posted about it. You may recall when my Ex and her BF showed up at my house when told not to by me. I warned him to stay the F off my property, and they called 911. Cops came, and disarmed me during the call. Cops left. No charges anywhere. There were zero allegations of menacing or anything else by me in the incident report either. The local PD Chief wrote letter to PPO, demanding my permit be revoked because he “didn’t like my "attitude" and my use of profanity, - and the fact that I was carrying extra ammo”. It was suspended. Took me about 6 months to get my guns back after going to court with a lawyer. (If anyone wants to see his absurd letter to the PPO, let me know. I’ll scan and post it here.)

Do cops sometimes take your guns, or get them ordered surrendered even when there has been no crime committed, or even charged?

Sure seems like it to me...

I predict that it will become an even more slippery slope with this new law.