Proposed: using fake guns for crimes will be much better!

[Doc8404]

Probably posted already

Proposed Law Says Suspects With Imitation Weapons Can't Be Shot By Police - Blue Lives Matter

For example, if a suspect pulls a pellet gun on an officer, they are not actually presenting a deadly threat. The officer would have no reasonable way to know that the gun isn't a lethal firearm, but under the new law, they could be charged if they shoot that suspect.

This law would also appear to apply if somebody pulled an unloaded gun on an officer, or drew a malfunctioning gun. In these circumstance, unbeknownst to the officer, the suspect is not actually presenting a deadly threat. If the officer reasonably responds by shooting that person, they could be criminally charged.

 

[Camaro45th]

Probably posted already

Proposed Law Says Suspects With Imitation Weapons Can't Be Shot By Police - Blue Lives Matter

For example, if a suspect pulls a pellet gun on an officer, they are not actually presenting a deadly threat. The officer would have no reasonable way to know that the gun isn't a lethal firearm, but under the new law, they could be charged if they shoot that suspect.

This law would also appear to apply if somebody pulled an unloaded gun on an officer, or drew a malfunctioning gun. In these circumstance, unbeknownst to the officer, the suspect is not actually presenting a deadly threat. If the officer reasonably responds by shooting that person, they could be criminally charged.

What. A. Load. Of. Shit.

 

[Criticalt]

I truly fear for you guys that have to deal with this crap.
Being a LEO used to be a respectable profession.
Now you are being treated like common criminals.
Very sad.

 

[wizrd]

 

[ProgSpear]

Wow! How did the NYC crowd let CA beat them to the punch with this gem?

 

[Mk44]

As we all know, CA is the leader of dumbass ideas.

Is it me...? So this CA proposal of "Necessary force" means a cop has to wait to be shot at (by real bullets, can't be pellet) before he can return fire.

If I was a CA LEO, I would be handing in my shield for an early retirement. Let the criminals take the city. see how these law makers & activist will enjoy that.

 

[Phauxtoe]

so they want to use the Monday morning quaterback theory to judge first responders?
perhaps we should make ride alongs mandatory for all politicians, as part of their job and i mean an 8 hour shift every week

 

[1911guy]

"You can't fix stupid!"

 

[Day444]

What happen to the word "INTENT". The dirt bag with the fake gun intends or implies do harm. Nope, an LEO doesn't have time to determine wither or not a gun being pointed at them is fake or not. Orange paint or tape on a real gun or is it a toy? Hey, you'll shoot your eye out with that thing: = protracted disfigurement!
Point some "fake" guns at the butt holes who penciled this B.S. see if that changes any minds!

 

[Cooolone]

So... The point is the officer is supposed to await being fired upon before initiating self defense for themselves or others.

Hmmmmm... kind if sounds like not using flame throwers in Vietnam, or using armor piercing rounds over in Iraq. I suggest these politicians suit up and spend a month in a patrolmans shoes. Moronic!

 

[masterswimmer]

Wait and see how response times double and triple. Can't blame the LEO for that.

Those dumb ass Californians are gonna reap what they sow.

 

[Robin]

Speechless!
Robin

 

[Bigfoot]

What a shithole California has become and NY is running a close second.

Hey you know what isn't very smart? Disarming the "law abiding" tax paying citizens as best you can.
And then on top of that hamstringing LE with something like this... Who's side are the liberals on?
Just like in NY, Most of the Commiefornia state politicians seem to be on the side of illegals and gangbangers in general.

Parts of this country are so screwed up it's beyond belief. And it's all because of the fucking mentally ill liberals.
I have said it before and I will say it again. The Democrats - Liberals - Leftists - Marxists are not going to stop on their own.
The decent patriotic people of this country are going to have to put them down with no mercy at some point.
Otherwise we will lose this country, our constitution, our freedom, our liberty, and maybe even our lives.
We all know the historical track record the leftists have when it comes to murdering their own citizens.

At this point I only see two options in our countries future... Balkinization or war.
It sucks but it's the truth IMO.

I think that the SHTF time will come when the Democrats get one of theirs into the oval office again.
They are going to go scorched earth on us and we will be out of any other options at that time.
It has already been proven that the courts will not do what is right, so we are on our own.

Tick Tock - Tick Tock - Tick Tock... It's coming guys... There is no way around it IMO.

 

[GOPerfect]

Officers will begin to move slower in response. No law will deter a cop from using his training to control a situation.

It is not the actual treat but what the Officer or everyday person deems to be a threat. No law can ever know what a person is thinking or feeling at the time of a shooting.

These people are beyond useless!

 

[Shadow2]

An unloaded gun, BB gun i understand the concern .. but when you have guys getting shot with nothing on them or a cell phone i don't side with police .. In those situations it is clear there was no threat. What you "feel" is irrelevant hat is fact is ... this needs to apply across the board and has been lost.

 

[HEX]

 

[Acer-m14]

GO CALI !!!!!! .. just to be sure , add into the law that Cali LEO will only carry billy clubs and wear fancy hats too .. we can't have a mishap over a bb ( fake gun) .. lets do it CALI !! .. go for the world record of the dumbest state in the world .. ..

 

[Saltwater60]

An unloaded gun, BB gun i understand the concern .. but when you have guys getting shot with nothing on them or a cell phone i don't side with police .. In those situations it is clear there was no threat. What you "feel" is irrelevant hat is fact is ... this needs to apply across the board and has been lost.

While I agree with you there have been some bad shoots, but the cell phone one is only a bad shoot if you know it was a cell phone. I don’t feel that they knew it was a cell phone. Look at the whole circumstances and watch the video. Would you feel comfortable with a man breaking and entering, refusing commands, with hands outstretched and something black in his hands. Keep in mind it’s pitch black and you only caught a quick glimpse of it through a flashlight with your gun in your hand. I don’t fault them for this at all. I don’t believe the grandma saw it was a cell phone in thier hand. Think about it logically why would two white cops with all of what’s happened want to shoot an unarmed black man.

 

[Shadow2]

Was he armed? NO! at that distance he was no threat. The use of deadly force was unwarranted. Don't be so fast to side with "circumstances" "what the cops"felt" Because its the same convoluted logic being used to strip rights. Its observed to think a criminal would not run its laughable actually, If merely not complying is grounds for death then this country has a real problem. They saw a black object that they called a gun its the generic stay out of jail free car for police. Video after video we here "he has a gun" "Drop the gun" you cant drop a gun you don't have can you ..

As gun owners you should really be concerned at how police react to the presence of a gun.

While I agree with you there have been some bad shoots, but the cell phone one is only a bad shoot if you know it was a cell phone. I don’t feel that they knew it was a cell phone. Look at the whole circumstances and watch the video. Would you feel comfortable with a man breaking and entering, refusing commands, with hands outstretched and something black in his hands. Keep in mind it’s pitch black and you only caught a quick glimpse of it through a flashlight with your gun in your hand. I don’t fault them for this at all. I don’t believe the grandma saw it was a cell phone in thier hand. Think about it logically why would two white cops with all of what’s happened want to shoot an unarmed black man.

 

[dwa12479]

Was he armed? NO! at that distance he was no threat. The use of deadly force was unwarranted. Don't be so fast to side with "circumstances" "what the cops"felt" Because its the same convoluted logic being used to strip rights. Its observed to think a criminal would not run its laughable actually, If merely not complying is grounds for death then this country has a real problem. They saw a black object that they called a gun its the generic stay out of jail free car for police. Video after video we here "he has a gun" "Drop the gun" you cant drop a gun you don't have can you ..

As gun owners you should really be concerned at how police react to the presence of a gun.

The question is can they confirm, in a split second, that he's unarmed and no threat? That's the hard part. Hindsight is 20/20. There's reasonable cause to believe a fleeing robbery suspect is armed. The reaction to the presence of a gun is entirely dependent on the situation.

He also had the choice to not run and comply with the lawful orders given to stay put with his hands in the air. He chose poorly.

 

[dwa12479]

The whole "unarmed" thing reminds me of the end of "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall.