I am saying in general. Most departments do not allow it. I have a few friends in other States and their department policies are the same.
Whatever, as usual, you know the inner workings of Police Agencies across the Country.
Hollywood actress attends anti-gun protest — with armed guards
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I am saying in general. Most departments do not allow it. I have a few friends in other States and their department policies are the same.
Whatever, as usual, you know the inner workings of Police Agencies across the Country.
FirstRifle
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Alyssa Milano : name does not ring a bell with me.... actress?
Is that nose hair in her right nostril ( don't they have people for that?) or did she forget to blow her nose?
Is that nose hair in her right nostril ( don't they have people for that?) or did she forget to blow her nose?
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Actually I do. At least in NYC. Do you know how many off duty cops work on the side? Lots! They work in strip clubs and lots of bars against department rules.
And in LA County, citizens can't carry. Hollywood is in LA.
Well, this was not in NYC so your knowledge of how things work there means very little in regards to this story.
BTW, it occurred in Dallas. Anyone basically can have a gun.
Marine Cpl
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The fact of the matter is that most high Tier celebrity security is done by cops no matter the state. That's a fact.
Actress Alyssa Milano attended an anti-NRA protest in downtown Dallas today
Really? A fact, where did you get that information? I would love to save the data for future reference.
Marine Cpl
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Look it up. Google is your friend.
Marine Cpl
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Read the links above. Look. I get it. You feel the need to defend the the boys in blue. But what's not cool is being disingenuous on who does "Top Tier Private Security" by saying it's done by Joe Schmoe with a pistol permit.
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I defended no one. I stated a real fact. You were not happy with that fact. You decided to throw more shit out there that was meaningless to the topic.,
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Ok. Sure.
stokes
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The OP story was about an actress in Dallas.I have dealt with many of these celebrities security people in NYC.None were "off duty NYPD".When they came into our facility we had to disarm and secure the firearms,most were pistol licencee's.
Marine Cpl
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See above in regards to Dallas.
Yep. They were average dudes with NYC Premises Permits right? Is that what you are saying?
stokes
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They were not cops.They were civilians with carry permits.Contrary to what you may think and preach,pistol permits are issued in NYC.Hard to obtain,but they are out there.We get it,you hate cops.
BDinPutnam
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So this is what I was wondering about above since I am not tied into multi-state, non-governmental private security -though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and assisted in some legal work for a well-known contract company related to anti-piracy ops/international weapons shipping in a former life (probably my only cool guy claim to fame).
X celebrity lives in Los Angeles but travels to say 30 states a year and also internationally and allegedly needs (firearm) armed protection detail wherever. How does that work (logistically and legally) for non-gov/mil people who allegedly need this "top tier security"?
X celebrity lives in Los Angeles but travels to say 30 states a year and also internationally and allegedly needs (firearm) armed protection detail wherever. How does that work (logistically and legally) for non-gov/mil people who allegedly need this "top tier security"?
Marine Cpl
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Stop your BS already with the cop hating attack already. That self defense mechanism you have is just as bad as calling someone racist who tells the truth.
Only celebrities, politically connected people, and retired "Cops" get Full carry permits in NYC. Celebrities aren't going to work security and neither are the politically connected. That leaves retired cops and off duty cops that will work on the down low.
The only other people left that can get carry permits are those that can prove that they have a valid threat to their lives. Those won't be doing Top Tier Security.
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It's usually a team of retired cops with LEOSA that travel with the celebrity if it's a team that always stays with the celebrity. An average citizen can do it if the celebrity sticks to red states but most need to go to LA and NY.
If the celebrity doesn't have a traveling team with him or her, each state has Top Tier Security that meets them at the airport if they are flying.
But what do I know. These guys want to insinuate that a guy like me and you will meet the celebrity at JFK and the NYPD will endorse our permit for NYC use.
M_F
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NYC also issues a "carry guard" license for those that work as a security guard in an armed capacity. It is a carry license with administrative restrictions to your hours of employment
Look under license and permit types:
https://licensing.nypdonline.org/new-app-instruction/
Look under license and permit types:
https://licensing.nypdonline.org/new-app-instruction/
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Those are usually for armed guards that deal with money like Brinks, Dunbar, ect.
NYC Special Patrolman also get this Carry Guard License if the company they work for wants them armed. I know because I used to be one of them.
The Top Tier Security Companies in NYC will only hire a retired cop. It's a racket.
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so the actual question here should be
if your leo and off duty and allowed to be security for celebs .. is the law or may i say the color of law on your side or not; or are you just a normal person ??
i can buy on ebay a hat and shirt that says Security and act all bad ass .. but do you obey me or I you ??
if your leo and is allowed to do this .. shouldn't they be in leo uniform too so we know ??
if your leo and off duty and allowed to be security for celebs .. is the law or may i say the color of law on your side or not; or are you just a normal person ??
i can buy on ebay a hat and shirt that says Security and act all bad ass .. but do you obey me or I you ??
if your leo and is allowed to do this .. shouldn't they be in leo uniform too so we know ??
stokes
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So you used to be a square badge,eh?That explains a lot.
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IrishMick
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I work with many high tier celebrities and have some insight into their personal security. While many are ex military or ex law enforcement, many are not. All the ins and outs of how they carry if they are armed I can't speak to but I have seen armed security who were not even US citizens (ex SAS by the way) guarding a certain person I worked for. They often coordinate with local security contractors and local law enforcement as well. Money buys a lot of "look the other way". No one is going to rock the boat by interfering with this. Generally speaking local LEO won't even come into contact with the personal security detail as there is usually a venue security detail in the employ of the celebrity who do most of the liaison with local contractors and law enforcement details. Also these personal security contractors understand concealed is concealed and you would never know that they were armed.
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Special Patrolman don't have square badges. If you are trying to insult someone, get it right. That's all you have. Insults.
Generic pictures of Special Patrolman Badges. Not me in the pictures. They come in all shapes and sizes. All different. Co-op City public safety have traditional shapes. 1st picture. Morningside Heights public safety have oval shapes. 2nd picture. Hospital Police have both oval and traditional. Couldn't find a picture for them. Roosevelt Island Public Safety have traditional shapes. 3rd picture.
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libertysnake
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On a related note, I once saw a black SUV pass by in Manhattan while I was at a cross walk. It stopped briefly in the traffic line, and I saw through the window what appeared to be the folding stock of probably an MP7 in the crook of the arm of security personnel traveling in the vehicle, protecting someone inside of it.
At the end of the day, anyone who claims to be "pro-2A" but helps defend anti-gunners, or enforce anti-2A policies, is hypocritical. The difference is, depending on the profession, there may be an actual oath to disobey that which is unconstitutional -- so the dilemma is more than just hypocritical at that point, but actually obligatory.
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If the celebrity is coming from oversees, and comes in on a private jet, they might come illegally armed. I'm not sure why a security contractor or the celebrity would take that chance but if it happens it happens. It very well may happen. If flying commercial first class, they come unarmed because they cannot get a gun onto the commercial plane. When they get here, their personal security becomes interior security and the American armed security that meets them here become exterior security. Many celebrities keep their unarmed interior security because they feel comfortable with them and use them as a liason for the exterior armed security.
The same goes with an American celebrity flying to a blue state. Do some celebrities chance it and require their body guard to illegally carry? Perhaps. But if you have money like that most just pay the legit security to avoid hassles.
Like you said, concealed is concealed but I highly doubt Celine Dion is going to have illegally armed men as her primary security when legit law enforcement securitys professionals are a phone call away for a few extra bucks. All kinds of things happen. Many of us carry in places we aren't supposed to as well. But to say that most celebrities have their security illegally carry is not entirely correct.
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Will, I confess that I don't know the work arounds used by close security on the artists, but the fact is that they have their own personal security and they are many times armed. This happens in hugely anti gun cities like NYC and LA all the time. I have been in Madison Square Garden with armed personal security who were not from NYC (or even at times the USA). The artists live in a padded comfortable little bubble and would never allow some local contractor to be that close. How they get around the myriad of laws remains a question but the do. Perhaps there is a special temporary permit issued. I do know that money greases the wheels and the revenues generated are enormous. Everyone is making money off of these artists from the venue owners to promoters to politicians to the lowly cops on the detail are all getting paid (not illegally). No one is going to rock the boat, especially the rank and file LEO. Most close protection contractors today are trained professionals not just goons, thugs, or yahoos out of SOF magazine. The movies often portray them badly but they are usually the polar opposite of that. I also believe that they don't break the law as this is their profession and livelihood.