New Jersey bans "ghost guns"

[Phazer]

Here you have it. New Jersey residents will no longer be able to legally assemble their own firearms in accordance with the Gun Control Act (1968) and the BATFE's own rulings.

Murphy signs new gun control law for N.J. It comes right after the nation's latest mass shooting.

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k. Purchasing firearm parts to manufacture 1[untraceable] a1 firearm 1without a serial number1. In addition to any other 1[penalty imposed] criminal penalties provided1 under 1[current]1 law, a person who 1, with the purpose to manufacture a firearm and without being registered or licensed do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes,1 purchases 1or otherwise obtains1 separately or as 1part of1 a kit 1a firearm frame or firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer or1 any combination of parts from which a firearm 1without a serial number1 may be readily 1[assembled with the purpose to manufacture an untraceable firearm] manufactured, but which does not have the capacity to function as a firearm unless manufactured1 is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this subsection shall not merge with a conviction for any other criminal offense and the court shall impose separate sentences upon a violation of this subsection and any other criminal offense. ​

 

[Phazer]

Good luck to New Jersey residents that still want to purchase lower parts kits or trigger groups. It would appear that although those parts could be used to modify or upgrade existing legal firearms, vendors could be banned from selling them because they could be used to "manufacture" an "untraceable firearm."

This will definitely happen in New York.

BTW - What if a NJ resident already owns a legally assembled, NJ-compliant, personal firearm, without a serial number (as is permitted by the GoA)? Does this law address them?

 

[Blimey]

What does this law do with existing ghost guns?

 

[Phazer]

What does this law do with existing ghost guns?

That is my question, too.

Are they going to start forcing inspection of firearms taken to ranges for target practice so that serial numbers can be verified?

Are they going to offer a NJ engraving service to serialize such firearms so that they can be registered with the state?

Those who would like to continue to practice with their heretofore legal firearms may not want to run afoul of the law. Are they expected to just dispose of their property?

Man...those in NY with personally-assembled legal firearms are going to be screwed when this comes to NY.

 

[GOYABEAN]

NJ will be assembling and dispensing ghost gun detection patrols through out the state

 

[togmaster]

I'm trying to understand what they will accomplish with this new legislation. It only affirms that it is illegal to buy parts with the intent of manufacturing an unregistered or untraceable firearm. It bans 3D printed guns (I guess if you are not a licensed manufacturer). It doesn't ban the purchase of the parts. And as far as I know you don't need to register long guns in NJ so it would still be OK to buy 80% lowers.

But then again Murphy got a great photo op out of this.

 

[96coal449]

I'm trying to understand what they will accomplish with this new legislation. It only affirms that it is illegal to buy parts with the intent of manufacturing an unregistered or untraceable firearm. It bans 3D printed guns (I guess if you are not a licensed manufacturer). It doesn't ban the purchase of the parts. And as far as I know you don't need to register long guns in NJ so it would still be OK to buy 80% lowers.

But then again Murphy got a great photo op out of this.

Looks like an episode of the fuckin Adam's family.

 

[fnfalguy]

I think I may have to pick one up.

 

[Shadow2]

They plan to accomplish another law suite where states can nullify acts of congress. Whats new.

 

[Darth]

"1...1...1...1...1..."

Dafaq is that about?

 

[Darth]

*guy uses a registered, serialized handgun*

*NJ bans unregistered, non-serialized rifles*

 

[FrankenCub]

I'm trying to understand what they will accomplish with this new legislation. It only affirms that it is illegal to buy parts with the intent of manufacturing an unregistered or untraceable firearm. It bans 3D printed guns (I guess if you are not a licensed manufacturer). It doesn't ban the purchase of the parts. And as far as I know you don't need to register long guns in NJ so it would still be OK to buy 80% lowers.

But then again Murphy got a great photo op out of this.

k. Purchasing firearm parts to manufacture [untraceable] a firearm without a serial number. In addition to any other [penalty imposed] criminal penalties provided under [current] law, a person who , with the purpose to manufacture a firearm and without being registered or licensed do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes, purchases or otherwise obtains separately or as part of a kit a firearm frame or firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer or any combination of parts from which a firearm without a serial number may be readily [assembled with the purpose to manufacture an untraceable firearm] manufactured, but which does not have the capacity to function as a firearm unless manufactured is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this subsection shall not merge with a conviction for any other criminal offense and the court shall impose separate sentences upon a violation of this subsection and any other criminal offense....

“firearm frame or firearm receiver” means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm’s internal components, such as the hammer, bolt or breechblock, action, and firing mechanism.

This will include 80% lowers, it doesn't specify 3D printed.
Anyway, suppose you bought everything to assemble an AR except a lower, you think they will just say "oh, you just have parts". Nope, they will assume you have the intent to assemble a complete firearm. Even if you can prove otherwise it wont matter. Their legal system is going to have their way with you.
This will be coming here.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This bullshit needs to go to SCOTUS ASAP.

come on RGB father time is waiting. You can't regenerate from virgin's blood forever.

 

[Acer-m14]

if they could only ban the Zip gun .. and pressure cookers

 

[Acer-m14]

k. Purchasing printing parts to manufacture 1[untraceable] a1 voters ID 1without a serial number1. In addition to any other 1[penalty imposed] criminal penalties provided1 under 1[current]1 law, a person who 1, with the purpose to manufacture a voters ID and without being registered or licensed do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes,1 purchases 1or otherwise obtains1 separately or as 1part of1 a kit 1a black ink or a ink cartridge receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer or1 any combination of parts from which a Voter card 1without a serial number1 may be readily 1[assembled with the purpose to manufacture an untraceable ID card ] manufactured, but which does not have the capacity to function as a Id Card unless manufactured1 is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this subsection shall not merge with a conviction for any other criminal offense and the court shall impose separate sentences upon a violation of this subsection and any other criminal offense.

 

[togmaster]

This will include 80% lowers, it doesn't specify 3D printed.
Anyway, suppose you bought everything to assemble an AR except a lower, you think they will just say "oh, you just have parts". Nope, they will assume you have the intent to assemble a complete firearm. Even if you can prove otherwise it wont matter. Their legal system is going to have their way with you.
This will be coming here.

Now I understand. It's as clear as the SAFE Act.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Are those 80% ghost voters still marching north?

 

[NY Leatherneck]

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Doesnt Murphy's head look like Casper's?....just saying

 

[Blimey]

This will include 80% lowers, it doesn't specify 3D printed.
Anyway, suppose you bought everything to assemble an AR except a lower, you think they will just say "oh, you just have parts". Nope, they will assume you have the intent to assemble a complete firearm. Even if you can prove otherwise it wont matter. Their legal system is going to have their way with you.
This will be coming here.

I read that text. It does not include purchase of an 80% anymore than purchasing a block of aluminum is included. 80% lowers are specifically, unequivocally not firearms. That is part of the entire thing. So NJ cannot ban purchase of an 80% lower referring to it as a firearm component in a generic sense. An 80% lower is not a "firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number". It is not a firearm receiver, period. Legally speaking. ATF has already ruled on that.

As for the rest of the text, it could quite easily be interpreted that you cannot buy any parts for a gun at all because they could be used to make an unregistered firearm.

I know their intent with this text is to ban an 80% lower, but if you go by legal definition according to ATF of what an 80% lower is (i.e. specifically a worthless piece of aluminum or polymer), the 80% lower is not caught up in this.

 

[Phazer]

As for the rest of the text, it could quite easily be interpreted that you cannot buy any parts for a gun at all because they could be used to make an unregistered firearm

Bingo!

No trigger parts. No trigger groups. No barrels. No hand guards. No grips. No gas tubes or gas blocks.

If you need parts to repair a firearm....good luck. NJSP will probably send a "letter of clarification" to any vendor considering selling components to NJ residents.

Practically, they should also ban drills, bits, files, grinders, routers, sandpaper, punches, and any other "dual use" equipment that can be used to manufacture firearms.

 

[Blimey]

Bingo!

No trigger parts. No trigger groups. No barrels. No hand guards. No grips. No gas tubes or gas blocks.

If you need parts to repair a firearm....good luck. NJSP will probably send a "letter of clarification" to any vendor considering selling components to NJ residents.

Practically, they should also ban drills, bits, files, grinders, routers, sandpaper, punches, and any other "dual use" equipment that can be used to manufacture firearms.

The law is both overarching and at the same time because of this, spineless.

If they don't want ghost guns it's really easy:

"it's a felony to own a functioning firearm without a federally-registered serial number."

Instead they try and double down on this by banning the components to that firearm, which becomes so broad as to be meaningless. I assume it's illegal for me to make a truck bomb in my garage, but nobody is stupid enough to ban diesel fuel and fertilizer and whatever else goes into it trying to "super ban" it. Just ban the end product if you don't like it.

 

[FrankenCub]

I read that text. It does not include purchase of an 80% anymore than purchasing a block of aluminum is included. 80% lowers are specifically, unequivocally not firearms. That is part of the entire thing. So NJ cannot ban purchase of an 80% lower referring to it as a firearm component in a generic sense. An 80% lower is not a "firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number". It is not a firearm receiver, period. Legally speaking. ATF has already ruled on that.

As for the rest of the text, it could quite easily be interpreted that you cannot buy any parts for a gun at all because they could be used to make an unregistered firearm.

I know their intent with this text is to ban an 80% lower, but if you go by legal definition according to ATF of what an 80% lower is (i.e. specifically a worthless piece of aluminum or polymer), the 80% lower is not caught up in this.

I understand that, but like stated in the text they will use "the intention of manufacturing a firearm". As soon as an 80% lower is milled out it's now considered a firearm. Whether they agree with the ATF's ruling or not doesn't matter. Much like NY, the courts in NY will side with the State.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Doesnt Murphy's head look like Casper's?....just saying

Nah I say more like

 

[togmaster]

Doesnt Murphy's head look like Casper's?....just saying

Now that you mention it yes. And that fake shit eating grin...

 

[Celt]

I'm trying to understand what they will accomplish with this new legislation. It only affirms that it is illegal to buy parts with the intent of manufacturing an unregistered or untraceable firearm. It bans 3D printed guns (I guess if you are not a licensed manufacturer). It doesn't ban the purchase of the parts. And as far as I know you don't need to register long guns in NJ so it would still be OK to buy 80% lowers.

But then again Murphy got a great photo op out of this.

I hope they all die of natural causes immediately. It would actually be great if all of these constitutional thieves would die immediately upon signing of any bills that are violating our constitutional rights.

 

[meketrefe]

another unenforceable BS law.

 

[misunderestimated]

listen terminology means everything , they use the term Ghost guns to make it scary and Evel and the term should just be HOME BUILT,

we keep repeating there demonizing words,
they say assault rifle, we should say sporting rifle,
they say sensible gun laws, we say unconstitional

 

[@thewheels]

What does this law do with existing ghost guns?

According to the article purchase and possession are considered illegal.
I don't know what the charges for possession actually are but taking a page from FUACer's playbook, I'd bet the current possessors are now overnight felons.

 

[FrankenCub]

According to the article purchase and possession are considered illegal.
I don't know what the charges for possession actually are but taking a page from FUACer's playbook, I'd bet the current possessors are now overnight felons.

Exactly, any currently owned will be banned. Enforcement will cause an issue though unless they happen to see you have one. However the one section of the text where they say they will work with ATF to examine different way of enforcement should be raising flags to us!