uuum? Can Muslims be good American's....
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What’s the old saying? “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome each time.”
In a round about sort of way, you are correct. I made a reference to bashing, the bashing that you and you alone decided to bring into the conversation due to you absolute hate of the Christian faith. If not for your hate and ridiculous posts, as usual, this would have stayed on the OP topic.
Well, not hate, couldn't care less, but my hate of what religion makes people do.
And the reason the post went of "off topic" (did it?) is because an echo chamber response was expected, but not received.
When a mirror is brought up to someone casting stones and that's a big problem, oh well.
Curmudgeon
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I see his perspective as more of a disdain for all organized religions and not an "absolute hate of the Christian faith". Full disclosure - I resemble that perspective as well.
I as well have little use for these herder religions as well. But, I say again, this thread was about one idea, one group. As usual, one person needed to fill in and hate on a group nit being discussed. It's like having a conversation with a child that never gets his way. Not interested in a thread, don't participate.
What if you are interested in the thread, and, as an example, call out the never ending hypocrisy on here in it?
Does that pass you "ok to post" test?
nortatoga
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timboy
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Comes into thread about how bad Pepsi is to tell everyone how bad Coke is,sites all of his research about how bad Coke is,feels like he has won the internet because he hates all cola.
nortatoga
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ECU Pirates
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So stop he says. Our resident expert on Christian theology expert (in his own mind). Jesus said not to ignore it.... what about direct contradictions offered by Jesus himself? Old Testament: an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
New Testament: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.”
If you don’t see differences in the old and new you are ignoring them on purpose. Are Christians allowed to eat pork? Did Jesus stone the woman who committed adultery as commanded in the Old Testament? Did Jesus say to swear oaths to God like the Old Testament commanded? Nope, he said the opposite. He also worked on the sabbath. The list goes on and on. One last thing... what did Jesus say the most important commandment was?
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] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and prophets.
Does Mohamed say to love your enemies?
ECU Pirates
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I have never encountered one that is capable
Of that.
Or you can bash them all. That is much more fun.
"Comes in to a thread about how Coke is filled with rat poison, mentions Pepsi is too, people lose their shit."
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.”
Damn, for being the unchanging word of God...
*makes a thread bashing religion*
*Cries when their own religion is bashed*
Pissed Off Patriot
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I am an atheist. You won't catch me bashing religion. In fact, when push comes to shove, I will stand with the Christians, the Jews, the Buddhists, the Sihks, etc. when the time comes. In spite of their faults.
Do you want to know why?
Because they won't be bashing down my door to make me convert. Or die.
Unlike Islam, which shouldn't be called a religion on par with any other religion. It is an ideology that the world would be better off without. Have you seen videos of a woman being stoned to death for some perceived dishonor, and not one person in the whole village assembled to watch will stand up for her? I have. Can you name another religion that states you must die if you leave it?
Name another religion that is currently at war with any other religion other than Islam. Hell, Islam has been at war with itself for centuries, with no end in sight. Sunni vs. Shiite. Religion of Peace, my ass. All other religions have put aside their differences with each other, and are perfectly capable of co-existing. They have grown the hell up. Not so with Islam. You can't name another religion that openly and widely practices the types of things you find under Islam in whole countries around the globe, such as slavery, stonings, beheadings, FGM, child brides and pedophilia, and the list goes on and on.
Fuck Islam.
Justincase
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My take is that religion serves no real purpose any longer with the advent of science. Religion existed in all civilizations to explain the unexplainable. We have science for that now. If you need religion to fill a void, provide solace or a feeling of belonging or meaning to your life, that's fine. I won't stop you or belittle you, i just have no use for it. As some have stated, overall, throughout history religion has done more harm than good. However, to answer the OP's question Muslims are less capable of becoming what most would consider "good" Americans than those from other religions. Anyone who says otherwise is either blind or just trying not to offend anyone.
Robin
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Well, that's a weird perspective.
Robin
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gun_slinger_boy
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Of course this thread was going to turn into a comparison of religions! It's titled "uuum? Can Muslims be good American's" A muslim is a follower of Islam. By definition. Since Islam isn't the predominate religion in the U.S. you are basically asking "is Islam compatible with other religions". And since Christianity is by far the most predominate religion in the U.S. you can further distill it to "is Islam compatible with Christianity". How could you possibly have a conversation about muslims potentially being good americans without comparing our nations predominate religion? Had the thread title been worded differently like "can people from the middle east be good americans?" it may have been slightly better. But that wouldn't make sense either since there are muslims all around the world including the U.S. It would be like asking can christians be good middle easterners and then not talking about how christianity is different from Islam over there.
Deplorable Me
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Science can not explain my wife's moods at times, it is therefore by the grace of God that I have survived 36 years of being married to her. Explain that miracle.
Marine Cpl
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The question was, "Can Muslims be good Americans?"
Answer. Sure some can but as a whole they cannot. The majority as evidenced around the world cannot based on their actions.
"Can Christians be good Americans?"
Answer. Some cannot but as a whole they do based on their actions.
That's the difference @Darth. Your statements on the bad things written in the Bible compared to the bad things written in the Koran is correct. But that's not what the question is saying nor is it a valid argument.
If you compare the actions of Christian Nations to the actions of Muslim Nations, the answer is clear. There is no hypocrisy there. Facts are facts based on the actions of those Nations and its citizens.
Answer. Sure some can but as a whole they cannot. The majority as evidenced around the world cannot based on their actions.
"Can Christians be good Americans?"
Answer. Some cannot but as a whole they do based on their actions.
That's the difference @Darth. Your statements on the bad things written in the Bible compared to the bad things written in the Koran is correct. But that's not what the question is saying nor is it a valid argument.
If you compare the actions of Christian Nations to the actions of Muslim Nations, the answer is clear. There is no hypocrisy there. Facts are facts based on the actions of those Nations and its citizens.
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ECU Pirates
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Those that follow sharia cannot be “good” americans.
Deplorable Me
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Religions can be looked at on a micro scale as well. Consider some of the small cults like Jim Jones or Heaven's Gate. They didn't fit into our society and the end result was they checked out. The Europeans fleeing religous persecution more or less assimilated and adapted to the new world. Assimilation and adaptation are pretty much essential for survival. Isolation pretty much contributes to conflict.
If the question "Can Muslims be good Americans" is answered with "No, because their book has evil thing in it/some in other parts of the world do bad things" then the same applies for Christians.
As you are conveniently leaving out that bit with the Christians, it can be left out with Muslims as well.
As such, the answer to the question is "yes, because they often ignore the nonsense in their book just as well as Christians."
Does everything need to be spoon fed to you?
Marine Cpl
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It's not because of books. Both books suck. It's because of their actions. You keep going back to the books. Who the fuck cares about the books. It's the actions that matter from those that read those f****** books.
Does that have to be force-fed through a funnel down your gullet to understand?
ECU Pirates
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Anytime you want to debate if Islam or Christianity advocates violence let meFor truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.”
Damn, for being the unchanging word of God...
*makes a thread bashing religion*
*Cries when their own religion is bashed*
Know. Who said “love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you”? Wonder who thst was vs. a war lord who ordered his followers to kill.
Curmudgeon
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Right, it's inevitable here in the us because Christianity is currently the most predominant religion.
The dumb ones say "See, you're bashing Christianity!" Well, yes and no, that just happens to be the soup de jour given where we live.
gun_slinger_boy
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Good point. Can Americans be good Americans? I know we despise a whole bunch in the DC area.