AR15 Lower dismantaling

[alistair]

I have an issue with my AR15 lower and need to return it to Anderson for a replacement.
Unfortunately that means dismantling and removing the gutts/trigger/safety from the lower. Anyone done this before? Are there any issues that I should watch for?

 

[kev74]

Be careful with the trigger guard.

 

[TMC]

If your removing the trigger guard the front is a spring loaded button right front not a roll pin ...and support the ears on back when driving the roll pin out .The front takedown pin is tricky but a piece of a soda can slipped between the detent and pin makes it easier. bolt catch on left side has a spring loaded plunger under the catch becareful removing that roll bin . When removing the buffer tube watch the buffer retainer pin that too is spring loaded and is held in place by the buffer tube lip you need to push it down to unscrew the buffer tube . Watch for flying springs .

 

[Podmonkey]

Trigger, safety and bolt release are all extremely simple. Trigger you just use a punch to drive out the trigger pins and everything comes out. Safety is as easy as removing the grip which has the safety detent spring nested in it. The grip is secured with a bolt, use a long screw driver, flat head or hex depending on the model of grip, and remove the screw and pull the grip off. once removed the spring and detent are free to just fall out then the safety simply slides out. The bolt catch is held in place with a roll pin that you drive out with a punch then the catch, spring and plunger will all fall out.
Trigger guard, if you need to remove it, likewise held in at one end with a roll pin that you drive out and then remove the guard. Do you need to remove the ejection port cover? If so the proper way is to remove the handguard and delta ring and pull the ejection port rod out forward. Or you can cheat and remove the little c clip from the rod and drift it out backwards but you will need to tape up or otherwise protect the forward assist housing as the rod will flex and ride along it and scratch it.
The takedown pins are the biggest PITA as you will have to depress the detects to get the pins all the way out. Again, check to see if you even need to remove them in the first place, see if Andersen simply replaces them on the new lower.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[BDinPutnam]

Why would you have to remove the front takedown pin?

Just curious.

 

[TMC]

Why would you have to remove the front takedown pin?

Just curious.

I would say if he leaves it on Anderson might not send it back ,installed or not with the new lower. Better safe then sorry

 

[Podmonkey]

I would say if he leaves it on Anderson might not send it back ,installed or not with the new lower. Better safe then sorry

Wouldn't hurt to contact them and find out methinks.

 

[Calculon]

Everything should come off easily just take your time. support the ears of the trigger guard when tapping out guard pins as has been said.

What was problem with lower?

 

[BDinPutnam]

Oh, is this the one that blew up?

 

[Mosinitis]

Wouldn't hurt to contact them and find out methinks.

The people who answer the phone are rarely the people who handle returns. More often then not you are likely to get the wrong information about specifics even if it's a company with good reputation.

 

[Podmonkey]

The people who answer the phone are rarely the people who handle returns. More often then not you are likely to get the wrong information about specifics even if it's a company with good reputation.

Of course. So we shouldn't even try then right?
I find that with a little patience and politeness one can usually get the answers they need. Even if not it was worth a try.

 

[Mosinitis]

Of course. So we shouldn't even try then right?
I find that with a little patience and politeness one can usually get the answers they need. Even if not it was worth a try.

If he wants to be sure his parts will end up in his hands, he should take them off. There is no logical reason not to.

 

[Acer-m14]

Send the whole thing .. with a Note .. SEE what FUAC did to my gun .,. please help and fix it .. LOL ..

 

[Acer-m14]

ohhh just remembered .. if you strip it down .. now it can accept a mag .. whooops .. LOL

 

[TMC]

Hey hold on alistair will need background checks to transfer the old lower serial #1 to Anderson then another background check to received lower serial #2 which by FUAC 's SAFE ACT would be 1 transfer (back to Anderson) the old lower then 1 transfer from Anderson to alistair (the new different serial numbered lower) hey it's the law right ? 2 different serial numbers 2 different lowers and 2 different sets of papers so 3 background checks ... initial lower purchase, transfer the damaged lower back , replacement of a new lower

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Hey hold on alistair will need background checks to transfer the old lower serial #1 to Anderson then another background check to received lower serial #2 which by FUAC 's SAFE ACT would be 1 transfer (back to Anderson) the old lower then 1 transfer from Anderson to alistair (the new different serial numbered lower) hey it's the law right ? 2 different serial numbers 2 different lowers and 2 different sets of papers so 3 background checks ... initial lower purchase, transfer the damaged lower back , replacement of a new lower

Wrong. Per ATF, you are allowed to send your gun in to the manufacturer for repair or replacement and they are allowed to send you the repaired or replacement gun back to you, directly to your door. No new BG check. The only time it would be an issue here in NY is if it were a pistol. That is only because of our dumb as shit permitting system.

 

[TMC]

Sorry but you are wrong I belive that was before Safe Act NY SAFE SUPERCEEDS ATF thats wy the 80% ban will be alowed in court the stronger law will out weigh Since the SAFE ACT you are required to go thru a FFL The sending back was a joke but alister went thru a FFL buying it and Anderson will be legaly required to send the replacment lower which per AFT will contain a different serial number to a FFL where alister will go thru the same process he did picking it up . If it were a repar of the lower with no serial number change they would just sendit back ,but no party including Anderson will just say here you with a brand new lower and go have a nice day. Remember it will be a new lower receiver not arepaired complete hunting rifle with no serial number change .I would ask alister to please tell us what he WAS required to do before we start chest puffing

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Sorry but you are wrong I belive that was before Safe Act NY SAFE SUPERCEEDS ATF thats wy the 80% ban will be alowed in court the stronger law will out weigh Since the SAFE ACT you are required to go thru a FFL The sending back was a joke but alister went thru a FFL buying it and Anderson will be legaly required to send the replacment lower which per AFT will contain a different serial number to a FFL where alister will go thru the same process he did picking it up . If it were a repar of the lower with no serial number change they would just sendit back ,but no party including Anderson will just say here you with a brand new lower and go have a nice day. Remember it will be a new lower receiver not arepaired complete hunting rifle with no serial number change .I would ask alister to please tell us what he WAS required to do before we start chest puffing

NYS and the safe act have nothing to do with it. FFL's and form 4473 are federal, not state. Here is a whole other thread on this site regarding the issue: I think I ruined my PC carbine
I don't recall seeing anything in the safe act about sending a firearm back to the manufacturer for repair or replacement.
These are the ATF regulations:
478.147 Return of firearm.

A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm or a replacement firearm of the same kind and type. See §478.124(a) for requirements of a Form 4473 prior to return. A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm curio or relic to a licensed collector for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed collector may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm curio or relic.

§478.124 Firearms transaction record.

(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.

 

[TMC]

You can quote ATF all day he is not sending a firearm he is sending a lower receiver that is a component of a weapon classified as an assault weapon covered under NY SAFE ACT which superceeds AFT as the safe act is state law .ATF says you can own nfa items if you follow their rules NY state says no ....WHY ? NY STATE law out weighs ATF Why not just lets call a draw and wait for alister to update you say your right I say I am it's just going to stay that way and if we continue one of us is going to look like a real asshole when proven wrong the longer this goes

 

[BDinPutnam]

Dead wrong, all day long, @TMC

 

[TMC]

Ok some one answer this:
1 can you buy a stripped lower on line without it being sent to a FFL first UNLESS you hold a FFL yes or no

from anderson return policy...It is not unlawful for a customer to ship a registered firearm, nor is it unlawful for any person or company to ship the registered firearm directly back to the owner. .....NOTE THE WORDS REGISTERED ,DOES ANDERSON OR YOU REGISTER ? for argument sake lers agree register is form 4473 and where and when does that happen and what involved? FFL and will the replacment be registered when sent?

2 once alistar returns lower serial number 1 Anderson will keep it that is why alister is returning it iis defective

3 Anderson will send alister a brand new lower serial number 2 directly to alister ? No brand new lower new serial number what happens with a new firearm it is sent to a FFY why? its a new firearm according to your ATF and a new form 4473 is required to take position and what is part of that form?..... a backround check with NICS

HENSE Anderson sends lower to FFL alistar fills 4473 NICS gets done alistair has a ( Registered lower) may be documented is better alistar returns that documented lower back to Anderson .Anderson back to FFL witn undocumented lower alisrair repeats 4473 and NICS

perhaps invoking SAFE WAS INCORRECT but te initial post starting this pissing contest was ment to show how riduclus the background system is and the challnge is that if the lower was a complete registered ar15 per SAFE because the registration uses the serial number ,this new lower could NOT get registered as a new assault waepon which it would need to be and that ran out 2014 .I have registered and I garentee this to be a fact ive tried it but I stand by the FFL and Background check

 

[Mosinitis]

Federal laws superseed state laws. There is no federal law that allows or bans owning machine guns, only that they have to be registered and transfer tax has to be paid. Whether you can own one is left to the state laws.
In the example in this thread there is a federal law that specifically allows direct transfer to and from.

 

[TMC]

Federal laws superseed state laws. There is no federal law that allows or bans owning machine guns, only that they have to be registered and transfer tax has to be paid. Whether you can own one is left to the state laws.
In the example in this thread there is a federal law that specifically allows direct transfer to and from.

Federal law say you can own.... NY state law says you cannot so who superceeds who ? because I want a suppressor ATF says fill this out and pay this you can and NY STATE says not a chance you cant so you want to rephrase your statement because I have looked into this on the state and local level and I can't have one in NY but go to vermont I can have alot of fun things suppressors included.

supersede verbsu·per·sede | \ ˌsü-pər-ˈsēd\superseded; supersedingDefinition of supersedetransitive verb
1a : to cause to be set asideb : to force out of use as inferior
2 : to take the place or position of
3 : to displace in favor of another

 

[Mosinitis]

Federal law say you can own.... NY state law says you cannot so who superceeds who ? because I want a suppressor ATF says fill this out and pay this you can and NY STATE says not a chance you cant so you want to rephrase your statement because I have looked into this on the state and local level and I can't have one in NY but go to vermont I can have alot of fun things suppressors included.

Federal law doesn't say if you can or cannot.

 

[Mosinitis]

I should rephrase? How many people here agree with you?

 

[TMC]

to own an NFA ITEM YOU
fill a form get a background check pay a fee and receive paperwork (stamp) denotes that you can own if you follow these steps

Plain and simple you can own an automatic firearm but you cannot manufacture new automatic firearms NFA 1984 or 1968 not sure which year both FEDERAL LAW
2013 SAFE ACT enough said
save me time go here see NY STATE Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

Title II (National Firearms Act) weapons restricted? Yes Yes S 265.02, S 265.02 Ownership of machine guns, suppressors, short-barreled rifles, AOW's and short-barreled shotguns are prohibited to the average citizen. Destructive devices are permitted except for rockets with greater than 3 ounces of propellant, which are prohibited. AOW's disguised as non-firearms are illegal


Background checks required for private sales? Yes Yes NY Gen Bus L § 898 (2012) For firearm transfers between private parties, a licensed dealer must conduct a background check, provide documentation of the check to the New York State Police, and keep a record of the transaction.[124]

 

[Mosinitis]

Just because something is regulated by federal law, it's not a permission for you to own it.

 

[TMC]

Just because something is regulated by federal law, it's not a permission for you to own it.

If you can get documents that allow you to buy and use something you have received permission to own it you aint renting a suppressor you own it NY STATE says we sa you can't own it or posses it