Saltwater60
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Won’t go anywhere but shows how losses people are and how much disruption this can cause.
West Virginia says 2a counties in Virginia are welcome to join
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
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I have been hoping Sullivan Colony gets an invite to join PA(not much better anymore), and have been drafting a letter to PA in my head to make them think they thought of it. If only Orange and Dutchess colonies would push hard for something like this, and refuse to comply with NYS, we could possibly cut the fucking head off the snake. That's all that's needed, just two counties, to divide this shit hole state into really bad and not really as bad.
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spat
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I am all in favor of this, but the unintended side effects will be to cement VA as a blue state.
It will be effectively gerrymandering ourselves.
It will be effectively gerrymandering ourselves.
Saltwater60
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Yes but the influence would diminish because the population would diminish. Of course the senate is not this way.
spat
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You are correct about the influence, but this is precisely how gerrymandering works. The Democrats in VA would love nothing more than to move some solid red counties to WV.
Saltwater60
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Maybe. Why then will the NYS split and CA split never happen then? I know it’s a bit different because it would form a new state but same principle. Of course NYS and CA are more than solid blue so I guess it doesn’t matter much.
spat
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Because of how gerrymandering works. NY is solid blue.
The left would want to do the opposite of what you suggest. They would want to take a bunch of red PA counties and move them to NY. Not enough to threaten their overwhelming majority in NY, but enough to push PA over the wall to be reliably blue too.
It's simple. You want all your territories to be reliably yours, but no more. Maybe 60%/40%. And you want your opponents to be squeezed into a small number of districts where they have nearly 100%.
You want to move your opponents out of the battlegrounds and into places that are solid red or blue. You actually want your people to leave the places you have an overwhelming majority and into the places that are up for grabs.
ArmedCorgi
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They should just form a new state called Mid West Virginia. That would add another solid red state to the union.
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holdover
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Gerrymandering or not, If they lose half the counties , they are going to lose delegates, which would be picked up by W Virginia , They are going to lose a massive amount of tax revenue with it. I dont know if they can leave without a sign off by the Legislature anyways. Not sure how that would work.
spat
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They will lose delegates, but not today. It will take quite a while before that kicks in.
If they don't let them go, they might lose the whole state next election.
holdover
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How so?
spat
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They only just took the state. I'm assuming there will be a significant backlash next election to all the crap they are doing.
If they let a few counties leave, then they will not have to worry about that.
ArmedCorgi
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It would have to be renamed to just "Richmond" Then the rest of what used to be Virginia and WV could just become Virginia again.
spat
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If *all* the sanctuary counties left you are right, but that seems unlikely.
If just some of them leave, then it cements the Dem control of VA.
Phazer
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Correct.
House delegate reapportionment wouldn't occur until the next census after the annexation.
libertysnake
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This is what I want to know: if these counties jump to WVA, is WVA going to defend these counties? Whether in court, or otherwise? If they're serious about it, this is pretty big. I've never heard of portions of one state joining another, but I'm also not opposed to the idea.
ArmedCorgi
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They will if they want that tax revenue.
96coal449
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This is how WV was formed in the first place. Do to unfair taxation on the poorer western mountainous region counties.
ArmedCorgi
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The other thing I'll say is that this could very well happen. People seem to get hung up on the idea that we have witnessed the "end of history". I call bull shit. These things have happened and still can happen. If the mere threat of laws being passed has already pushed people to group together and for other states to propose annexing territory, just imagine what the reaction might be if actual confiscation starts happening or if short of that they still take their anti gun push further. The disarmament movement could very well be the catalyst for a break up. If it can happen over slavery, it can happen over a core civil right that people feel very very strongly about.
96coal449
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Great post.
But let it be noted the first time didn't happen over a slavery dispute.
spat
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It was over a rights dispute.
Slavery just happened to be heavily involved in that rights dispute.
ArmedCorgi
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Also slave owners had the mind set, and I guess at that time it was also considered law, that slaves were personal property.
Firearms are actually personal property.