Natural Gas-starved NY State supply pipeline project abandoned after Gov. Cuomo vowed “any way that we can challenge it, we will”

[livingston]

Natural Gas-starved NY State supply pipeline project abandoned after Gov. Cuomo vowed “any way that we can challenge it, we will”

After a four-year battle with the state, the proposed Constitution natural-gas pipeline project has been abandoned, as National Grid warns of a coming natural gas supply emergency next Winter.

The State of New York has a natural gas shortage, the result of years of the administration of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and environmentalists fighting the construction of new supply pipelines.

A June 2019 report by The Manhattan Institute documented the shortage and its causes, Out of Gas: New York’s Blocked Pipelines Will Hurt Northeast Consumers:

U.S. natural gas production is soaring, up 91% since 2005—and the country is now exporting liquefied natural gas (LNG) all over the world, including to China, Chile, and India.* Despite this surfeit, dozens of communities in New York and Massachusetts are subject to moratoriums on new gas connections due to shortages of the fuel.
The shortages are due in large part to New York State regulators, who are refusing to allow the construction of new gas pipelines. While these restrictions are claimed to be necessary to protect the environment from harm, they will likely result in increased use of heating fuel oil, which means increased air pollution and carbon-dioxide emissions. New York and the New England states already have some of the highest residential gas and electricity rates in the country, and these rates will only rise as a result of the blockade. This paper highlights the need for more natural gas supplies in the Northeast to heat homes, buildings, and generate electricity, and it explains how efforts to restrict those supplies are hurting consumers and the environment.

National Grid (which serves upstate New York and much of New England) declared a new hook-up moratorium because of lack of supply. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo threatened National Grid’s license:

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo gave National Grid Plc 14 days to figure out how to address natural gas shortages before he moves to revoke its license to operate in the state.

Natural Gas-starved NY State supply pipeline project abandoned after Gov. Cuomo vowed 'any way that we can challenge it, we will'

After a four-year battle with the state, the proposed Constitution natural-gas pipeline project has been abandoned, as National Grid warns of a coming natural gas supply emergency next Winter.

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[MuttCat]

There you go, because there you been.

No gas for you!

 

[MothMan]

Another NYS policy that just wants to make me .

 

[livingston]

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farmermom | February 27, 2020 at 6:08 am
People of Ithaca have an unholy and disproportionate effect in Albany. Natural gas shortages will not affect the vocal. The fashion is ground-source heat pumps–although solar is still popular. One proposal being pushed is mandating that new construction include ground-source heating. One retired professor recently boasted of his new ground-source heating system and could not understand why everyone didn’t install one. He was oblivious to the $30,000 price tag.
Totally tone-deaf to the reality that not everyone has the same income as Cornell and Ithaca College faculty and staff, when asked the question of who will pay for this, they insist, “The money is there.” Those affected by natural gas shortages cannot afford to take days off from work to travel to Albany and speak.

 

[livingston]

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notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | February 26, 2020 at 8:32 pm
Why are all these Leftists so Ugly?
They’re as Ugly on the outside as they are on the inside.
But more importantly will Cumomo be a float in this year’s Mardi Gras, like the float of Hillary strangling Epstein with the slogan over the float: “Epstein didn’t kill himself.”
https://710keel.com/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-float-shocks-mardi-gras-goers

 

[Saltwater60]

It’s shit like this that made me decide not to do the 15 year refinance because I know my monthly bills will be rising. Also don’t for get this will impact your electric bill because you know coal will kill us all in a few days.
Ducking assholes cost me so much money. From 15 to 20 years it’s a 39,300 savings in interest and I let that fucker know in Twitter that he’s the reason I’m spending that extra money.

 

[Jmac00]

this is the Emperor trying to force the "green new deal" on the citizens of the Northeast. The emperor is forcing his vision of a green society on us. He doesn't care what the cost is.

and Geo-thermal is a very efficient way to heat and cool you home, but the initial cost is stupid prohibitive. Most homeowners will be paying anywhere for $20,000 to $35,000 to install geo-thermal systems.

and, if the installing company doesn't do it correctly, it even more expensive to correct.

California's new building code is demanding all new construction have solar panels installed, this alone is going to add anywhere from $7000 to $15000 to the cost of construction. ON TOP OF THAT, (at this point) solar panels only last about 20 years, AND ARE NOT RECYCLABLE.

23 months left, then Im outa here

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Good. Last.time I checked NYC doesn't use wood stoves to heat their shitholes. Maybe it's time we go back to a simpler time. Turn the valve to OFF...

 

[Blimey]

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farmermom | February 27, 2020 at 6:08 am
People of Ithaca have an unholy and disproportionate effect in Albany. Natural gas shortages will not affect the vocal. The fashion is ground-source heat pumps–although solar is still popular. One proposal being pushed is mandating that new construction include ground-source heating. One retired professor recently boasted of his new ground-source heating system and could not understand why everyone didn’t install one. He was oblivious to the $30,000 price tag.
Totally tone-deaf to the reality that not everyone has the same income as Cornell and Ithaca College faculty and staff, when asked the question of who will pay for this, they insist, “The money is there.” Those affected by natural gas shortages cannot afford to take days off from work to travel to Albany and speak.

I've no clue how much traction such things will get but I understand california to mandate some degree of solar on new construction. It absolutely raises costs on builds. As for geothermal I don't have it for the same reason most people don't. it's just not cost effective.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Every Geothermal set up I've seen uses a large gas water heater to supplement the heat.

 

[IrishMick]

Pipeline is un-needed. There is enough "Natural Gas" coming out of Albany to heat the nation. One could always covert to forced Hot Air, Cuomo spews more than enough to go around.

 

[CaseHardened]

It's hard to believe the stupidity of Albany.

 

[redtail]

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[Mr. terzmo]

IF this is the pipeline that goes from Pa through southern NY and through Pendleton NY and up to Canada....that is great news for Pendleton and other residents of NY. The pipeline was to supply Natural gas to Canada..not the US. Possibly sold then to Detroit for canadian profit...not sure of that. National fuel Has NO accounts/customers in Pendleton but wanted to build a compressor station upwind of the schools. Pendleton residents,as others in the southern tier,did not...do not want it.(dispite cash offers) People's property in the southern tier was under the threat of emminent domain.(imagine property you own being taken from you) This gas line doesn't help the Country, rather National Fuels greed. Pendleton did offer an alternate site that would not affect the schools but National fuel declined because of costs. They paid the Tonawanda Sportsman club 750k alone, for their property. Plus they get more if it goes through. IF this is the pipeline the Furher nixed then I give him a solid attaboy. (This was discussed earlier on a different forum)

 

[Deplorable Me]

NY is in the early stages of collectivism, if they need gas in NYC they'll just shut it off to upstate.

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Collectivism usually starts right after they COLLECT your guns.....................................

 

[ProgSpear]

NY is in the early stages of collectivism, if they need gas in NYC they'll just shut it off to upstate.

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Collectivism usually starts right after they COLLECT your guns.....................................

fair enuf. We’ll shut off their water, electricity, and roads, starting the day they seriously try to collect all the guns.

 

[MothMan]

fair enuf. We’ll shut off their water, electricity, and roads, starting the day they seriously try to collect all the guns.

Do we really have to wait?

 

[1075tech]

Every Geothermal set up I've seen uses a large gas water heater to supplement the heat.

Even here downstate, the ground and air temps get too cold for efficient geothermal. In addition to needing a supplemental heat source, the electricity needed to run the pumps to keep your geothermal running will send you to the poorhouse.

I worked at a customer's house installing a propane boiler. She was getting rid of her geothermal because it was too expensive to run.

There is a small development not far from me that everyone has installed solar panels trying to offset their electric costs from running their "net zero" geothermals.

Heat pumps on the other hand, can be very efficient. Some will produce heat down to temps below zero. Here you would still need a backup source. My heat pumps won't work well below about 20°.

 

[1075tech]

Typical Mid-Hudson News reporting, devoid of much information and detail. But the important thing is your government is looking out for you.

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[Bozo]

IF this is the pipeline that goes from Pa through southern NY and through Pendleton NY and up to Canada....that is great news for Pendleton and other residents of NY.

Wrong project. Constitution was to bring NG from PA through the Southern Tier to ending near Schenectady.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Wrong project. Constitution was to bring NG from PA through the Southern Tier to ending near Schenectady.

CRAP !!! Thanks