What are my options as a Long Islander in the current Carona Crisis.

Carlos Hathcock · Mar 27, 2020

Go for it!

Cooolone · Mar 27, 2020

2A All Day said:
Knew this type of response was coming. There’s always that one guy. The whole point of joining forums like these are to expand knowledge minus the trial and error. Which with firearms is quite serious. What’s the point of joining a forum to ask questions if it only results in getting flack from guys who know more than others. And my reply to that post was in question to whether in NY, will federal law be instantly accepted or will I be arrested and the fact which I obeyed federal law over state law be hashed out in court while I wait for that result in jail. Because I’d rather do it correctly the first time. The whole point of my being here is to “educate myself” as you put it. Or at least I thought that’s what I was doing. I had no issues with the use or ownership of my firearms. Only transport of a style of firearm I am new to, through an area that has its own set of rules, based on info from a firearms dealer who I would assume knows more than I do. I will read though the articles you suggested. Thank you .

Regards.

Yeah, and I "AM" that guy... And?

Did you actually read my post? Have you even read Article 400, Art. 35 or even the Federal Statute - 18 US Code 926A, relevant to transporting a firearm?

What will your answer be if stopped... That this is what they told me online was ok?

I'm not being facetious, I'm actually trying to help you as others have, just differently. You want things just handed to you, that's ok. I don't do that, I prefer people figure out how the find things, read and learn for themselves! Give a man a fish...

It isn't flak, it's advice!

Good Luck in your travels, have fun!

Chevusa · Mar 27, 2020

cgrutt said:
Assuming rifle is NYS compliant and you are not a NYC resident, pretty sure you can travel through NYC with it secured unloaded in a locked case with ammo stored separately in a locked case just like any other long gun or shot gun.

It does not have to be NYS compliant. See 18 U.S. Code § 926A.

Chevusa · Mar 27, 2020

Marine Cpl said:
Here you go. Directly from the NYC Admin Code regarding firearms. Right from the horses mouth. No need to listen to anyone else.

https://www.nysrpa.org/files/nyc-admincode.pdf

i. (1) Non-residents in transit. Any other provision of this chapter to the contrary notwithstanding, a non-resident of the city of New York who, without a rifle and shotgun permit issued hereunder, enters the city of New York possessing a rifle or shotgun in the course of transit to a destination outside the city of New York, or a non-resident of the city of New York who enters the city of New York possessing an assault weapon in the course of transit to a destination outside the city of New York, shall have a period of twenty-four hours subsequent to such entering to be exempt from penalty under this chapter for the unlawful possession of a rifle, shotgun or assault weapon, provided that such rifle, shotgun or assault weapon shall at all times be unloaded and in a locked case, or locked automobile trunk, and that said non-resident is lawfully in possession of said rifle, shotgun or assault weapon according to the laws of his or her place of residence.

A good read, but the federal law (18 U.S. Code § 926A) supersedes it, so fuck em!

Jmac00 · Mar 27, 2020

if I were the OP, I'd copy each of the codes that were posted, just in case I was pulled over.

as my lawyer once told me. "IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL, AND DRIVE, MAKE DAMN SURE EVERYTHING ON YOUR CAR IS WORKING PERFECTLY, ESPECIALLY LIGHTS, AND MAKE SURE YOUR INSPECTION AND REGISTRATION ARE UP TO DATE AND DON'T BREAK ANY TRAFFIC LAWS , on a side note, don't crash"

Cooolone · Mar 27, 2020

Hahaha... Want to fuck with them, take it apart, and put all the "pieces" in a cardboard box in the trunk. Yeah, keep the ammo separate in a locked box just to tickle feathers...

Get pulled over ... and? What's the issue? Constructive Possession?
Lolz

@Jmac00
hahaha, yes, only break "one" law at a time

repete · Mar 27, 2020

Chevusa said:
A good read, but the federal law (18 U.S. Code § 926A) supersedes it, so fuck em!

Yeah "fuck them" make sure you tell them that when NYPD is cuffing and stuffing you and you pay $$$$ for a lawyer to finally plea it down AND lose the gun. And yes it has happened even to out of state cops!!
Just because a law says one thing doesn't mean they abide by it

Airborneguy · Mar 27, 2020

Chevusa said:
It does not have to be NYS compliant. See 18 U.S. Code § 926A.

Yes it does, because he has to be traveling from somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (in this case, NY) to somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (also NY in this case).

Acer-m14 · Mar 28, 2020

Airborneguy said:
Just lock it up in a case in the trunk separate from the ammo. You’ll be fine.

i heard that was still considered loaded in NY .. i hate NY lol

GOYABEAN · Mar 28, 2020

It's really sad one state and God knows how many different regulations :fuac:

and FUCK you rotten apple :nutkick:

gun_slinger_boy · Mar 28, 2020

Bozo said:
Yup, and the car is in perfect working order. No issues with lights, ratty exhaust , etc. Speed limit through the burroughs and you'll be fine.

Have a look at the FFL map at the top of the page. There may be a few individual FFLs near you working out of their homes that would be willing to do a transfer.

Treat this like the wolf.

cgrutt · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
It does not have to be NYS compliant. See 18 U.S. Code § 926A.

Sure it does. If it's not compliant he would be a NYS resident in possession of an assault weapon (under NY law) within NYS unless he was exempt.

BDinPutnam · Mar 28, 2020

Airborneguy said:
Yes it does, because he has to be traveling from somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (in this case, NY) to somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (also NY in this case).

Eh, what do you know about it?

masterswimmer · Mar 28, 2020

Don't give the officer any reason to do an illegal search in your trunk. Avoid any burning cannabis while driving

Robin · Mar 28, 2020

When you are arrested, the write up will be such that you will be made to look like you committed many crimes that led to the finding of that evil iron, so that gun owners will not support you and donate money to help you out. Just saying.
Robin

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

Airborneguy said:
Yes it does, because he has to be traveling from somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (in this case, NY) to somewhere where the firearm is legal to be possessed by him (also NY in this case).

Then it's a mute issue, as the sale wouldn't take place to begin with.

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

cgrutt said:
Sure it does. If it's not compliant he would be a NYS resident in possession of an assault weapon (under NY law) within NYS unless he was exempt.

The response was assuming he is not a NY resident. If the firearm is legal in the origin and destination then it can be transported through NY without meeting any of their requirements as the federal law supersedes in that case.

cgrutt · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
The response was assuming he is not a NY resident. If the firearm is legal in the origin and destination then it can be transported through NY without meeting any of their requirements as the federal law supersedes in that case.

OP stated he was from Long Island and planning to buy from upstate NY FFL and travel back through NYC to Long Island. My response (which you quoted and said rifle didn't need to be compliant) was directed at the OP's question. Your response could put him in legal jeopardy... just saying...

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

repete said:
Yeah "fuck them" make sure you tell them that when NYPD is cuffing and stuffing you and you pay $$$$ for a lawyer to finally plea it down AND lose the gun. And yes it has happened even to out of state cops!!
Just because a law says one thing doesn't mean they abide by it

Whoah whoah whoah... Where's all the people on here who's automatic response to anything is "but but but the constitution"! "shall not be infringed"!!! Hilarious. Hope you weren't one of these people and if you were I would be curious why you suddenly changed your tone.

NY just recently tried to pull a big "NEVER MIND, JUST KIDDING" on transport laws after SCOTUS said they would take a look at it. Do it the right way per federal law and you won't have any problems.

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

cgrutt said:
Your response could put him in legal jeopardy

Anyone who comes to the internet to get binding legal advice from a stranger is a fool and will probably find themselves locked at some point regardless. Retain a lawyer if you have serious legal concerns.

Back to my reply, as quoted in federal law, if you are legal at the start and finish, NY has no say in it. In this case he wouldn't be able to purchase anything in NY to start with so it wouldn't put anyone in jeopardy.

cgrutt · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
Anyone who comes to the internet to get binding legal advice from a stranger is a fool and will probably find themselves locked at some point regardless. Retain a lawyer if you have serious legal concerns.

Back to my reply, as quoted in federal law, if you are legal at the start and finish, NY has no say in it. In this case he wouldn't be able to purchase anything in NY to start with so it wouldn't put anyone in jeopardy.

Who said anything about giving binding legal advice? This is a gun forum (in fact a New York gun forum lol) people come here for info. Just trying to provide helpful info that is accurate and responsive to OPs question. He can do whatever he wants with it and other responses. Never claimed to be a lawyer.

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

cgrutt said:
Who said anything about giving binding legal advice? This is a gun forum (in fact a New York gun forum lol) people come here for info. Just trying to provide helpful info that is accurate and responsive to OPs question. He can do whatever he wants with it and other responses. Never claimed to be a lawyer.

That seems to counter your earlier shot that I could get him in legal jeopardy. I'll take it as an apology.

cgrutt · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
That seems to counter your earlier shot that I could get him in legal jeopardy. I'll take it as an apology.

Lol, no, no... not an apology...

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

cgrutt said:
Lol, no, no... not an apology...

Sad.

Marine Cpl · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
Anyone who comes to the internet to get binding legal advice from a stranger is a fool and will probably find themselves locked at some point regardless. Retain a lawyer if you have serious legal concerns.

Back to my reply, as quoted in federal law, if you are legal at the start and finish, NY has no say in it. In this case he wouldn't be able to purchase anything in NY to start with so it wouldn't put anyone in jeopardy.

Not necessarily true. If a question is asked and the actual law is posted, how does that make someone asking a question a fool? An attorney will refer him to the exact same law.

ArmedCorgi · Mar 28, 2020

Good luck with NICS. I heard we broke it.

Chevusa · Mar 28, 2020

Marine Cpl said:
Not necessarily true. If a question is asked and the actual law is posted, how does that make someone asking a question a fool? An attorney will refer him to the exact same law.

Because the attorney has the legal obligation to give the correct accurate information. The attorney isn't going to just google it and shoot from the hip. Also the attorney will have more background on the matter and can cite case law and dive in a lot deeper than someone online. Just because you might have read 1 paragraph somewhere does not make that the definitive and only relatable law or regulation. Finally, if something were to happen and your retained lawyer gave you bad information you have an "out" that does not exist the same as "but someone online told me so".

Marine Cpl · Mar 28, 2020

Chevusa said:
Because the attorney has the legal obligation to give the correct accurate information. The attorney isn't going to just google it and shoot from the hip. Also the attorney will have more background on the matter and can cite case law and dive in a lot deeper than someone online. Just because you might have read 1 paragraph somewhere does not make that the definitive and only relatable law or regulation. Finally, if something were to happen and your retained lawyer gave you bad information you have an "out" that does not exist the same as "but someone online told me so".

The attorney has access to the same laws that we do. There isn’t a secret law book for attorneys only.

I do not know what your beef is other than arguing to argue. The OP got the correct information. He got the Federal FOPA and the NYC transport laws which pretty much mirror each other with minor differences. What else would he need?

There isn’t an additional law out there.

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