Warlord passes out weapons to peacefull protestors

[spat]

The hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing.

You cannot engage in a shooting war with people while at the same time trying to protect their RKBA.

We are nearly at the shooting war stage here, and when that happens, all bets will be off.

I am very libertarian, but when bodies start dropping I am not going to concern myself with the rights of the guy shooting at me.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

True but these asshats aren’t about a free America. I’m sure the residents and business owners just love their new occupiers.

On the surface many of the posts in this thread might seem hypocritical.

But I take the position that;

These people are fundamentally our enemy. They want to destroy us. They want us to lose our rights. They want to disarm us. They are not our equal. They want to destroy America.

By supporting their rights were only harming ourselves.

It's not that they are just a different political or religious opinion than us it's that they cannot coexist with us. We're effectively to the point of a cold civil war and I'm not going to support or encourage someone who hates what I stand for. F them.

 

[Celt]

Like it or not, if you look at the demographics , they are mostly young , out of school , with no family's and no jobs. As opposed to older hard working people with mortgages family's and responsibility's.

This is also 100% true, and that makes a huge difference. How i conduct myself as a family man is far different than how i would as someone with no responsibilities.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You cannot engage in a shooting war with people while at the same time trying to protect their RKBA.

We are nearly at the shooting war stage here, and when that happens, all bets will be off.

I am very libertarian, but when bodies start dropping I am not going to concern myself with the rights of the guy shooting at me.

On the surface many of the posts in this thread might seem hypocritical.

But I take the position that;

These people are fundamentally our enemy. They want to destroy us. They want us to lose our rights. They want to disarm us. They are not our equal. They want to destroy America.

By supporting their rights were only harming ourselves.

It's not that they are just a different political or religious opinion than us it's that they cannot coexist with us. We're effectively to the point of a cold civil war and I'm not going to support or encourage someone who hates what I stand for. F them.

Wanting them destroyed and supporting their rights are two different things. Hell I want Antifa destroyed. Every last one of them. But if it’s via right’s violations, than the answer is no. Not that way. Hot lead to the head is fine. Right’s violations is not.

Here’s a little history lesson. The Sullivan Act that once didn’t exist and anyone in NY could own or carry a handgun was created to stop Italian mobsters from owning and concealing guns. Now it stops you from owning guns.

See? It’s never a good a idea to support right’s violations ever. Even for your enemies.

 

[spat]

Wanting them destroyed and supporting their rights are two different things. Hell I want Antifa destroyed. Every last one of them. But if it’s via right’s violations, than the answer is no. Not that way. Hot lead to the head is fine. Right’s violations is not.

Here’s a little history lesson. The Sullivan Act that once didn’t exist and anyone in NY could own or carry a handgun was created to stop Italian mobsters from owning and concealing guns. Now it stops you from owning guns.

See? It’s never a good a idea to support right’s violations ever. Even for your enemies.

I haven't seen anyone here call for them to be disarmed (at least not without an associated incarceration).

I mostly see people calling out their hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone here would say "we need to go in and take their guns, but leave them running around free"

 

[Marine Cpl]

I haven't seen anyone here call for them to be disarmed (at least not without an associated incarceration).

I mostly see people calling out their hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone here would say "we need to go in and take their guns, but leave them running around free"

Post 12 and 63.

 

[spat]

Post 12 and 63.

I don't see a call to disarm anyone in either of those posts.

I do see condemnation of the people who are arming themselves for reasons we all agree are nefarious, but no calls to disarm them.

Just like we can condemn the gay rights activist wearing the Che Guevara shirt without violating his 1A right to do it, we can condemn people who are arming up to oppress conservatives without violating their 2A rights.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't see a call to disarm anyone in either of those posts.

I do see condemnation of the people who are arming themselves for reasons we all agree are nefarious, but no calls to disarm them.

Just like we can condemn the gay rights activist wearing the Che Guevara shirt without violating his 1A right to do it, we can condemn people who are arming up to oppress conservatives without violating their 2A rights.

One is saying that you should be outraged that they are armed because they would be outraged if the roles were reversed and the other says that terrorists shouldn’t be armed.

Arms are just tools. No different than screwdrivers and hammers. That’s like saying that we should be outraged if BLM or Antifa used smartphones to post on Twitter or YouTube. Or if the Taliban secured an area with farming tools to fend us off.

 

[carpediem]

One is saying that you should be outraged that they are armed because they would be outraged if the roles were reversed and the other says that terrorists shouldn’t be armed.

Arms are just tools. No different than screwdrivers and hammers. That’s like saying that we should be outraged if BLM or Antifa used smartphones to post on Twitter or YouTube. Or if the Taliban secured an area with farming tools to fend us off.

Will, you are blatantly misrepresenting what i said, either knowingly or not, and still you are getting it wrong.
My "beef" if there is one beyond just frustration, is with all the douchebags who run around in a tizzy when they see a couple guys with legally carried arms at some protest or other gathering, and wring their hands and wail "What about the children?" and then, when people they support carry the same exact arms say nothing, or even heap praise on the armed individuals.
Is that so hard for you to grasp?
I did not call for their disarmament, and yes, we should be furious that we are painted as enemies of the state for merely having a "scary black gun" and they are called democracy in action and the summer of love while carrying the same arms.

 

[Saltwater60]

Too bad they don’t have a safe act or universal background checks or this wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Celt]

It seems part of the debate is what their intention is. Are they freedom fighters standing up for their rights, or are they domestic terrorists using guns for illegal behavior? Since they are actively trying to change what this country was founded on I call them terrorists.

Antifa has been using violence and the threat of violence to force political change. And the change they are pushing for is not in line with the values this country was founded on, in fact they look to destroy that.

My main frustration is with the hypocrazy (i spell it that way on purpose), and i support the BOR for all citizens that are looking to exercise their rights.

If this was ISIS members, that were citizens, would everyone support them still having guns?

Does anyone view Antifa as a domestic terrorist group?

If anyone views them as domestic terrorists then you cant support them having guns.

If you view them as freedom fighters I can see why you would.

Can you consider them freedom fighters when they are suppressing the freedom of people that disagree with them, in violation of the BOR? When they are actively trying to destroy our capitalist system and drive us to socialism?

I think this is a good discussion, and its had me thinking on many angles, thats why i put the questions at the end.