Everytown lobbying for “police reform”

[gunpoliticsny]

Gun control advocates have long had a relationship with urban police chiefs and organizations. They were useful in pushing the antigun narrative. Now that gun control organizations are openly calling police racists and murders hopefully this will change.

These are the bills Everytown lobbyists worked on in Albany in the last quarter. Only one is related to gun control. The others fall under the “police reform” that “progressive” advocates want:

• S-1830C, Relates to the functions of the Chief Administrator of the Courts
• S-2574C, Creates an Office of Special Investigation within the Office of the Attorney General
• S-3695, Repeals section 50-a of the civil rights law
• S-7929, Relates to notifying certain individuals of their ability to seek an Extreme Risk Protection Order
• S-8496, Relates to the disclosure of law enforcement disciplinary records; and to repeal section 50-a of the civil rights law relating thereto

 

[wirehairfan]

It's simple. Almost mathematical.

Police reform results in less active policing. Less active policing results in more violent crime (or "gun violence", as they like to propagandize). More gun violence lets them insist that we need more gun control.

 

[spat]

Gun control advocates have long had a relationship with urban police chiefs and organizations. They were useful in pushing the antigun narrative. Now that gun control organizations are openly calling police racists and murders hopefully this will change.

These are the bills Everytown lobbyists worked on in Albany in the last quarter. Only one is related to gun control. The others fall under the “police reform” that “progressive” advocates want:

• S-1830C, Relates to the functions of the Chief Administrator of the Courts
• S-2574C, Creates an Office of Special Investigation within the Office of the Attorney General
• S-3695, Repeals section 50-a of the civil rights law
• S-7929, Relates to notifying certain individuals of their ability to seek an Extreme Risk Protection Order
• S-8496, Relates to the disclosure of law enforcement disciplinary records; and to repeal section 50-a of the civil rights law relating thereto

Urban police chiefs are politicians not cops.

They will support abolishing the police themselves if they think it'll get them into a higher office.

 

[GOPerfect]

It's simple. Almost mathematical.

Police reform results in less active policing. Less active policing results in more violent crime (or "gun violence", as they like to propagandize). More gun violence lets them insist that we need more gun control.

This is what most on the job want. All cops sit around like firemen and respond after the fact.

Many on this forum dream of this as well. Some would like to see the police near disappear.

Let those in society do what they want. After the action of crime is complete, the police can come in and investigate.

 

[repete]

This thread fits in with what I've been thinking, just an hour ago I went down to the local car wash a few miles away. On the way there I saw a person run a red light, on the way back I pulled out of the wash and entered a public street and as I pulled up to a red light with cross street I had a white van fly by (30mph zone) almost taking the mirror off my truck. The van was soon followed by a silver sedan also going very fast I watched as the sedan passed two cars by driving on the shoulder of the road and I believe it even hit a mailbox! I didn't see it hit but when I passed the box it was several feet from it's post. A mile or so away from that area I had another person run a stop sign and I almost nailed them, when I hit the breaks and blew the horn I got the finger in response. So the question is WHY THE HELL WOULD WE CUT BACK ON POLICING?
I've also noticed people just stopping wherever the want and to hell with other driver they block, I even had some people blocking the end of my street and refuse to move. It seems that we are entering into some time of lawlessness. I know this is small potatoes but add in some shit bag has gone thru our cars looking for cash and a few other things that have happened I just don't know what the hell has happened to the America I love and served!

 

[holdover]

This is what most on the job want. All cops sit around like firemen and respond after the fact.

Many on this forum dream of this as well. Some would like to see the police near disappear.

Let those in society do what they want. After the action of crime is complete, the police can come in and investigate.

But why bother? Just have them come in and fill out a report , bring whatever evidence they have and get back to them whenever you have the manpower to do so.

Lets be honest , the city can save some money by having victims drive in to make a complaint instead of police driving there to take a complaint. why waste the money? Much more efficient reduce the amount of driving and Hell , get rid of the police cars to. just keep two just in case .

 

[Airborneguy]

Police are "abolishing" themselves right now, especially in NY. Who the hell wants to have to fight a perp, put a knee on their back as we've had to do for generations and end up arrested? Fuck. That.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The ideal scenario is to have all police replaced with elected Sheriffs and their deputies accountable to the people rather than appointed Chiefs that are the yes man to the government.

As far as the hanging in firehouse and only leaving when a call is placed scenario goes, if certain active policing is abused and does not stop where at car stops for speeding, rights are violated on technicalities to conduct searches in hopes of finding something that isn’t visible for a collar and productivity and not the reason for the stop at all, then they should be relegated to firehouse scenarios since they cannot be trusted.

If they do stop that BS and just issue you a ticket for what you got stopped for and anything visible they see, then they shouldn’t be relegated to firehouse scenarios.

The only active policing that should exist is detective work. But all this BS about I smell this, your eyes are glassy, the dog hit but I didn’t find anything needs to stop.

The Founding Fathers would have never agreed to that.

 

[ProgSpear]

Urban police chiefs are politicians not cops.

They will support abolishing the police themselves if they think it'll get them into a higher office cushier retirement.

FIFY

 

[Truebeliever]

The ideal scenario is to have all police replaced with elected Sheriffs and their deputies accountable to the people rather than appointed Chiefs that are the yes man to the government.

As far as the hanging in firehouse and only leaving when a call is placed scenario goes, if certain active policing is abused and does not stop where at car stops for speeding, rights are violated on technicalities to conduct searches in hopes of finding something that isn’t visible for a collar and productivity and not the reason for the stop at all, then they should be relegated to firehouse scenarios since they cannot be trusted.

If they do stop that BS and just issue you a ticket for what you got stopped for and anything visible they see, then they shouldn’t be relegated to firehouse scenarios.

The only active policing that should exist is detective work. But all this BS about I smell this, your eyes are glassy, the dog hit but I didn’t find anything needs to stop.

The Founding Fathers would have never agreed to that.

Wrong. Wrong and more wrong. Police actually had more powers under the founding fathers. Active policing by local police was around long before “rights” as recognized now were defined by the Supreme Court. Remember the 4th amendment didn’t apply to state and local government until 1960( Mapp v Ohio). Miranda was in 1966. The founding fathers gave police a lot of power. If you ran, they could shoot you, period. Then that changed to commission of a felony. That changed nationwide in 1983.

Now as far as electing the sheriff. That’s where a lot of the corruption in Law enforcement was. They become too much like a politicians and sway with the political winds. Go look at Sheriff Iserael as the perfect example .
Go see what the DAs in NYC are like now. All elected. Imagine if you are traveling thru and are stopped by an elected LEO. Where do you think his focus of enforcement is going to be on. Ever travel to Florida by car with NY plates. Wonder why they look for New Yorkers to pull over? Especially where a sheriff is in charge.
Just something to think about it

 

[libertysnake]

This is what most on the job want. All cops sit around like firemen and respond after the fact.

The police may not get there in time regardless. That's not to say they shouldn't react, I'm just saying it doesn't negate the need for well armed citizens as the first line of defense for prevention and deterrents to violent crime.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The founding fathers did not have police pulling over people on their horses and searching the horse and person because they had glassy eyes and had a faint smell of marijuana. The constitution always applied to the states via article 6, and that is what sheriff’s are supposed to be. Politicians accountable to the people.

 

[spat]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. The founding fathers did not have police pulling over people on their horses and searching the horse and person because they had glassy eyes and had a faint smell of marijuana. The constitution always applied to the states via article 6, and that is what sheriff’s are supposed to be. Politicians accountable to the people.

The founding fathers largely didn't have police, so no, they didn't have police pulling people over.

The first real police departments didn't exist in the US until nearly the Civil War.

Prior to that is was more like a volunteer fire department than a police department and would only be assembled for major crimes.

What they did have though were people exercising police powers to recapture run away slaves and the people who helped them.

They were incredibly principled for their time, but they did get some stuff wrong.

 

[Catskillkid]

The founding fathers largely didn't have police, so no, they didn't have police pulling people over.

The first real police departments didn't exist in the US until nearly the Civil War.

Prior to that is was more like a volunteer fire department than a police department and would only be assembled for major crimes.

What they did have though were people exercising police powers to recapture run away slaves and the people who helped them.

They were incredibly principled for their time, but they did get some stuff wrong.

I'm all about bringing back the posse myself.

Whiskey for my men and beer for the horses, and all that.

 

[Steal2B]

All these bills need an addendum that outlaws all private security as well as security details for politicians. Everytown is the wholly owned Bloomberg action committee.

Bloomberg along with the politicians he lobbied, need to kive with the same "call the police and pray" process they expect Mr and Mrs Joe Blow to survive with.