ANTIFA clown Michael Forest Reinoehl put down by Police - Burn in Hell !

[CaseHardened]

Report: Suspect in Fatal Shooting of Conservative Activist Killed by Police

No Judge, No Jury, No Trial, No Life-In-Prison Nonsense

Thank You, Mr. Reinoehl, for putting up a fight.

Good Riddance to VERMIN

 

[MothMan]

I can see antifa trying to make a martyr of him.

 

[cgrutt]

Feds not local PD...

U.S. marshals shot a man

 

[Robin]

 

[John Stark]

Feds not local PD...

From information out there this morning, they were mostly sheriff deputies and some corrections officers who had been federalized and then deputized under the US Marshalls.

Portland Killer Michael Reinoehl shot dead by police… Developing

LATEST UPDATE AT 5 AM Reinoehl fired off 40 to 50 rounds before being killed by members of U.S. Marshals task force. The Portland Police Bureau had issued a warrant for Reinoeh…

www.citizenfreepress.com

And the reason this needled to happen was because politicians are refusing to enforce the law, prosecute criminals, and are turning rioters, looters, arsonists, and violent thugs right back into the streets just about as soon as they are arrested.

Federalization of police in certain areas like Portland and other cities where unchecked rioting and arson and violent assaults should have happened months ago when it became apparent that local authorities were doing nothing to stop it.

 

[cgrutt]

Exactly my point.

 

[BDinPutnam]

From information out there this morning, they were mostly sheriff deputies and some corrections officers who had been federalized and then deputized under the US Marshalls.

Portland Killer Michael Reinoehl shot dead by police… Developing

LATEST UPDATE AT 5 AM Reinoehl fired off 40 to 50 rounds before being killed by members of U.S. Marshals task force. The Portland Police Bureau had issued a warrant for Reinoeh…

www.citizenfreepress.com

And the reason this needled to happen was because politicians are refusing to enforce the law, prosecute criminals, and are turning rioters, looters, arsonists, and violent thugs right back into the streets just about as soon as they are arrested.

Federalization of police in certain areas like Portland and other cities where unchecked rioting and arson and violent assaults should have happened months ago when it became apparent that local authorities were doing nothing to stop it.

I worry that this will be roughly the argument when a new Federal AWB is not being enforced at the local level.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

 

[John Stark]

Exactly my point.

Well its an important distinction to be made. Those local law enforcement officers ought to have been allowed to do their job long before this.

The fact that they were not and the extreme measure taken by the Feds to deputize them ought to be shouted from the rooftops.

Generally on most matter pertaining to crime local law enforcement is the right and proper avenue for law enforcement, and while I whole heartedly support the federalization and deputization in current circumstances where corrupt and evil politicians are stoking and aiding malevolent mayhem, its frankly pathetic that its come to this.

The only reason they were federalized is because elected officials purposely refused to do their duty.

If we had any real justice in this country, the local officials of various cities across America who have coordinated and aided and abetted the lawlessness in the streets and the widespread arson would be swinging from lamp posts.

 

[spat]

From information out there this morning, they were mostly sheriff deputies and some corrections officers who had been federalized and then deputized under the US Marshalls.

Portland Killer Michael Reinoehl shot dead by police… Developing

LATEST UPDATE AT 5 AM Reinoehl fired off 40 to 50 rounds before being killed by members of U.S. Marshals task force. The Portland Police Bureau had issued a warrant for Reinoeh…

www.citizenfreepress.com

And the reason this needled to happen was because politicians are refusing to enforce the law, prosecute criminals, and are turning rioters, looters, arsonists, and violent thugs right back into the streets just about as soon as they are arrested.

Federalization of police in certain areas like Portland and other cities where unchecked rioting and arson and violent assaults should have happened months ago when it became apparent that local authorities were doing nothing to stop it.

I'm not sure I agree.

In the short term federalizing them may make sense, but in the long term I think we are better off with the people who voted for these politicians having to suffer for their choices.

We will never be rid of this problem until people are sick enough of it to stop voting for leftist lunatics.

So far, the people suffering are the ones who have been literally asking for it.

If this came to a city that voted for conservative Republicans it would be shut down very quickly with no need for Federal assets.

 

[Blimey]

I'm not sure I agree.

In the short term federalizing them may make sense, but in the long term I think we are better off with the people who voted for these politicians having to suffer for their choices.

We will never be rid of this problem until people are sick enough of it to stop voting for leftist lunatics.

So far, the people suffering are the ones who have been literally asking for it.

If this came to a city that voted for conservative Republicans it would be shut down very quickly with no need for Federal assets.

I don't think a politician, elected democratically or otherwise, should have the ability to play favors when it comes to breaking the law.

Case in point two nights ago Rochester some people were arrested for trespassing. I'm sure they were warned. They knew. But they were part of a "protest". The mayor is now pleading with the police/da to not press charges. Fuck that. Same thing keeps happening in portland. If local law is being circumvented by politicians I am okay with the federal government coming in and enforcing it.

At the end of the day, like it or not, laws are made by legislation and must be enforced. Unless they conflict with a higher power (e.g. constitution).

As for this guy he's quite the stark with Kyle. One guy is acting in self defense and immediately attempts to turn himself over to authorities to get it sorted out. One guy straight up murders somebody, then when he is arrested he fights back and gets killed.

 

[John Stark]

I'm not sure I agree.

In the short term federalizing them may make sense, but in the long term I think we are better off with the people who voted for these politicians having to suffer for their choices.

We will never be rid of this problem until people are sick enough of it to stop voting for leftist lunatics.

So far, the people suffering are the ones who have been literally asking for it.

If this came to a city that voted for conservative Republicans it would be shut down very quickly with no need for Federal assets.

Disagree all you want, but that is absolutely not how our Federal government was designed to work.

When law and order breaks down at the local level, the Federal government absolutely has the duty, power, and authority to step in.

Those American citizens you keep throwing under the bus for the sake of political expedience are paying a high price so that slime like you can say they deserve what's happening in their communities. There are both patriotic Americans in these cities getting attacked and their businesses burned down, as well as law abiding, tax paying citizens who may not be politically aware, active, or interested, who are taxed for policing services. They do not deserve to have their lives ruined or even snuffed out so guys like you can say they're getting what they voted for.

Stop cheerleading for anarchy in American streets. Its sickening. This nation was built on law and order, with peaceful redress of grievances, NOT for organized crime to rule over us.

The ends do not justify the means. Ever.

 

[John Stark]

I'll add this as well for the concern trolls worried about the Federal response here.

Its very important to note that Trump did not just send in an overwhelming Federal response, but that he took a measured response: namely, that he is at this point mostly employing local law enforcement after having them deputized.

That is politically brilliant, precisely because that is the Constitutional principle of Federalism and remedy that we need, which was wisely laid down by our Founders.

Too bad Trump didn't avail himself of his Constitutional powers much sooner. Many lives would not have been ruined after months of wanton mayhem.

 

[Criticalt]

I worry that this will be roughly the argument when a new Federal AWB is not being enforced at the local level.

Good, bring it on.
Let the rest of the country feel our pain. This may be the only way to defeat these laws.

 

[Criticalt]

I'm not sure I agree.

In the short term federalizing them may make sense, but in the long term I think we are better off with the people who voted for these politicians having to suffer for their choices.

We will never be rid of this problem until people are sick enough of it to stop voting for leftist lunatics.

So far, the people suffering are the ones who have been literally asking for it.

If this came to a city that voted for conservative Republicans it would be shut down very quickly with no need for Federal assets.

Im really torn on this topic.
I 100% see your point and believe you are correct to let the voters suffer under their choices. This can only help us in our fight for our country.
On the other hand......there are alot of good people veing caught up in this crap without a way out.
Either way, somethings gotta give.

 

[@thewheels]

Disagree all you want, but that is absolutely not how our Federal government was designed to work.

When law and order breaks down at the local level, the Federal government absolutely has the duty, power, and authority to step in.

Those American citizens you keep throwing under the bus for the sake of political expedience are paying a high price so that slime like you can say they deserve what's happening in their communities. There are both patriotic Americans in these cities getting attacked and their businesses burned down, as well as law abiding, tax paying citizens who may not be politically aware, active, or interested, who are taxed for policing services. They do not deserve to have their lives ruined or even snuffed out so guys like you can say they're getting what they voted for.

Stop cheerleading for anarchy in American streets. Its sickening. This nation was built on law and order, with peaceful redress of grievances, NOT for organized crime to rule over us.

The ends do not justify the means. Ever.

Reaping and sowing is older than our federal government.
And if you think the founders ever designed anything like federal LE into this experiment, you're mistaken.

 

[John Stark]

I worry that this will be roughly the argument when a new Federal AWB is not being enforced at the local level.

You're concern trolling is noted.

However, after Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Federal response in flooded New Orleans, it really ought to go without saying that evil politicians of all stripes lust to strip us of our arms.

And the corollary to that? We shouldn't let them when they try.

 

[livingston]

 

[John Stark]

Reaping and sowing is older than our federal government.
And if you think the founders ever designed anything like federal LE into this experiment, you're mistaken.

Is that supposed to be some kind of serious response?

So we established a Federal government that had the duty and authority to make good laws within the strictures of our Constitutional order, but there was to never be a Federal enforcement arm?

History and law, as well as any common sense, are thoroughly against your interpretation of our founding documents.

I would recommend that you return to the public schools where you were obviously educated for some remedial education, but alas, I know you wouldn't find any there as evidenced by the fact that you believe that nonsense.

 

[livingston]

 

[@thewheels]

Is that supposed to be some kind of serious response?

So we established a Federal government that had the duty and authority to make good laws within the strictures of our Constitutional order, but there was to never be a Federal enforcement arm?

History and law, as well as any common sense, are thoroughly against your interpretation of our founding documents.

I would recommend that you return to the public schools where you were obviously educated for some remedial education, but alas, I know you wouldn't find any there as evidenced by the fact that you believe that nonsense.

Find it. Post it. Dazzle us with the details from the founders expecting their new creation to slap it's balls around enforcing it's every whim with federal officers of any stripe.
I'll wait.

 

[spat]

I don't think a politician, elected democratically or otherwise, should have the ability to play favors when it comes to breaking the law.

Case in point two nights ago Rochester some people were arrested for trespassing. I'm sure they were warned. They knew. But they were part of a "protest". The mayor is now pleading with the police/da to not press charges. Fuck that. Same thing keeps happening in portland. If local law is being circumvented by politicians I am okay with the federal government coming in and enforcing it.

At the end of the day, like it or not, laws are made by legislation and must be enforced. Unless they conflict with a higher power (e.g. constitution).

As for this guy he's quite the stark with Kyle. One guy is acting in self defense and immediately attempts to turn himself over to authorities to get it sorted out. One guy straight up murders somebody, then when he is arrested he fights back and gets killed.

Oh I would welcome federal prosecution of these local officials for violating the civil rights of their constituents with their double standard for prosecution.

But I think the leftists who vote these people in will never learn their lesson if they aren’t allowed to fail spectacularly.

If a few leftist run cities have to burn for it, it's unfortunate, but i thin inevitable and a price worth paying to save the rest of the country.

I feel bad for the conservatives and moderates living in those cities, but my only advice is get out while you still can.

This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better, and if we let a few of these places burn now it might make the eventual bottom much less severe.

 

[technicalgadget]

I can see antifa trying to make a martyr of him.

Antifa and the media are probably not going to give a shit since he is white. He was their useful idiot who acted on his own accord and they will distance themselves from his actions.

 

[Elwood]

am I supposed to feel sorry for this bag of shit ?
He should have done the world a solid and ate his gun 2 weeks ago

 

[spat]

Is that supposed to be some kind of serious response?

So we established a Federal government that had the duty and authority to make good laws within the strictures of our Constitutional order, but there was to never be a Federal enforcement arm?

History and law, as well as any common sense, are thoroughly against your interpretation of our founding documents.

I would recommend that you return to the public schools where you were obviously educated for some remedial education, but alas, I know you wouldn't find any there as evidenced by the fact that you believe that nonsense.

The constitution doesn’t actually leave much room for the feds to make laws at all. They have perverted the commerce clause to allow them to intrude in all sorts of places they were never intended to be.

The original intent of federalism was mostly for the feds to regulate disputes between the states and to have nothing to do with the actions of individual citizens.

 

[John Stark]

Find it. Post it. Dazzle us with the details from the founders expecting their new creation to slap it's balls around enforcing it's every whim with federal officers of any stripe.
I'll wait.

Now that's a NYer for ya, always moving the goal posts.

You originally asserted that I was mistaken "the founders ever designed anything like federal LE into this experiment..."

But now you've changed the equation and want me to answer an assertion I never did make; to whit, "the founders expecting their new creation to slap it's balls around enforcing it's every whim with federal officers of any stripe."

I have already stated in this very thread in clear language that lawful, local law enforcement is the best remedy for most criminal matters, and that the Feds ought to only step in when a situation is beyond the ability of local authorities to handle, or when they refuse to do so and things are obviously ought of hand (for example, when local government might be corrupt or is using their power in a clearly unlawful manner, like telling police to stand down while cities burn and putting the rioters right back on the streets rather than prosecuting them).

I have never advocated for unchecked Federal power or overreach.

So which assertion am I supposed to answer? Your original assertion that questioned my post about the lawful use of federal power, or this new ridiculous straw man standard you invented to claim that I have advocated that the Feds should be able to stick their nose in "at its every whim."

Try to put words in my mouth and I'll make you eat them.

 

[@thewheels]

Now that's a NYer for ya, always moving the goal posts.

You originally asserted that I was mistaken "the founders ever designed anything like federal LE into this experiment..."

But now you've changed the equation and want me to answer an assertion I never did make; to whit, "the founders expecting their new creation to slap it's balls around enforcing it's every whim with federal officers of any stripe."

I have already stated in this very thread in clear language that lawful, local law enforcement is the best remedy for most criminal matters, and that the Feds ought to only step in when a situation is beyond the ability of local authorities to handle, or when they refuse to do so and things are obviously ought of hand (for example, when local government might be corrupt or is using their power in a clearly unlawful manner, like telling police to stand down while cities burn and putting the rioters right back on the streets rather than prosecuting them).

I have never advocated for unchecked Federal power or overreach.

So which assertion am I supposed to answer? Your original assertion that questioned my post about the lawful use of federal power, or this new ridiculous straw man standard you invented to claim that I have advocated that the Feds should be able to stick their nose in "at its every whim."

Try to put words in my mouth and I'll make you eat them.

Nothing moved. It looks like it was lost in translation.

Who else besides officers would do the fed's bidding? Did you think I was implying congress critters were going to kit up and get it done? Or the potus?

Reworded for clarity: Who/What is the body of (federal) men that the founders intended/envisioned to handle enforcing state/federal laws and making arrests.

 

[John Stark]

Nothing moved. It looks like it was lost in translation.

Who else besides officers would do the fed's bidding? Did you think I was implying congress critters were going to kit up and get it done? Or the potus?

Reworded for clarity: Who/What is the body of (federal) men that the founders intended/envisioned to handle enforcing state/federal laws and making arrests.

Federal law enforcement was established with the signature of George Washington in 1789 after being duly passed through the legislative process.

Next question.

 

[@thewheels]

Federal law enforcement was established with the signature of George Washington in 1789 after being duly passed through the legislative process.

Next question.

US Marshals were never intended to have any state jurisdiction.

 

[John Stark]

US Marshals were never intended to have any state jurisdiction.

Outside of DC or military bases, which are clearly federal enclaves, where else have US Marshalls traditionally exercised their law enforcement duties for hundreds of years during the history of this nation?

Canadian provinces?