Man charges police, is shot dead in front of motorists

[Chevusa]

Glass bottle 0
Pistol 1

The sad part is he could have gotten help, but he decided to go another way.

Warning: Graphic Content: Video shows cops shoot man dead in front of horrified motorists - Breaking911

VENTNOR, N.J. – (Scroll Down For Video) — The Attorney General’s Office today released the 911 audio recording and video recordings from officer body-worn cameras related to the shooting on Aug. 6, 2020 in Ventnor, N.J., in which police officers fatally shot Amir Johnson, 30, of Wilkes Barre...

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[GOYABEAN]

Glass bottle 0
Pistol 1

The sad part is he could have gotten help, but he decided to go another way.

Warning: Graphic Content: Video shows cops shoot man dead in front of horrified motorists - Breaking911

VENTNOR, N.J. – (Scroll Down For Video) — The Attorney General’s Office today released the 911 audio recording and video recordings from officer body-worn cameras related to the shooting on Aug. 6, 2020 in Ventnor, N.J., in which police officers fatally shot Amir Johnson, 30, of Wilkes Barre...

breaking911.com

Guess he won't be trying that again

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

The patience of cops really impresses me sometimes, and other times things go sideways quickly.

 

[Darth]

He dropped it.

 

[Celt]

the problem in these types of situations is almost always people not listening to cops. i get that in the situations where someone isnt doing anything and a cop comes along and tells you to stop people don't want to listen because they feel like they are being unfairly targeted for some reason, but if you don't listen your chances of being shot are going to increase exponentially.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

If they had just replaced the police with an unarmed social worker it would've ended peacefully with no one hurt.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I don't believe this was handled the best way with the time allowed. My 2cents

 

[Chevusa]

the problem in these types of situations is almost always people not listening to cops. i get that in the situations where someone isnt doing anything and a cop comes along and tells you to stop people don't want to listen because they feel like they are being unfairly targeted for some reason, but if you don't listen your chances of being shot are going to increase exponentially.

It's not even not listening. He didn't listen for 15 minutes and probably hundreds of commands. Still, he wasn't shot until he put the officer(s) in imminent danger of serious injury or death.

 

[Chevusa]

If they had just replaced the police with an unarmed social worker it would've ended peacefully with no one hurt.

Exactly. They would have surrounded him and restrained him. I've literally read this argument online from school teachers. In reality they'd be running for their lives.

 

[Chevusa]

I don't believe this was handled the best way with the time allowed. My 2cents

Yea right. They shouldn't have shot while being charged by a crazed man with a deadly weapon.
They didn't step it up. The criminal did. They were patient with him for 15 minutes. There is nothing to suggest they wouldn't have continued that for as long as they could have. He is the one who acted. They responded to that action. Their lives depended on it.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

The video was 20 plus. And just saying they were charged by a guy with a broken bottle does not tell the entire story. I don't think calling the black man "boy" several times in the beginning helped the black man's attitude. He should of obeyed directions. Why did all those officer's just stand around..talk to drop the bottle? What pepper spray of done? what IF they called in a firetruck pumper and knocked the guy down and sprayed him with water until he dropped the bottle. Ever get hit by the force of a 3 inch line? (the truck arriving would depend on time and distance of course) Where was the riot shields the cops keep? The 5 foot by2 foot shields? They could of been used to protect the cops. It appeared the theme was drop the bottle or get shot. I'm not sticking up for the black man, just saying, as I was taught, discharge of a weapon is last resort and they had time for thinking out of the box.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Um. This guy clearly had some type of mental defect. As I see more and more of these videos it's quite apparent that mental disease is running rampant in todays world. The only way this could have went different is if the dude well... dropped the bottle. There is no reasoning with someone that's mentally unstable. They can sometimes get lucky and the person for one reason or another will obey commands but that's just luck. Super unfortunate that the taser just happened to malfunction but shouldn't at least one other person have had one?

 

[Chevusa]

What pepper spray of done?

You gonna approach a man with a deadly weapon within 15 feet to spray him? Is he just going to stand there and let you? He just going to stand there and take it? At that distance you can spray him and he'd be within a split second from slashing your throat. I know it worked in your daydream. In the real world - no.

what IF they called in a firetruck pumper and knocked the guy down

They don't generally call in more people, unarmed untrained people, into a dangerous situation. Fire and EMS stay back until the scene is secure. But lets play and say that didn't exist. Ok fire truck is here. Getting pump charged. Getting hoses out. Again, he's just going to stand there and let it happen? In your mind yes. Real world - no.

Where was the riot shields the cops keep

Never seen a riot shield kept in a road patrol car. even if so, they are not designed to be used against people with deadly weapons in their hands. They are for crowd control. Would a crazed man with a weapon just stand still and allow you to approach? Would he stand still and allow you to contact him head on or would he move around the shield to slit your throat?

discharge of a weapon is last resort and they had time for thinking out of the box.

That is exactly what they did and did not shoot until he gave them no other choice by his deadly actions. They did try a taser but it was not working. Even so, very dangerous as you must get very close (25 feet generally). That distance can be closed in a heartbeat and you can be slashed.

It was his decision and his alone. He knew exactly what he was doing and he got the outcome he wanted. Sad!

 

[C3D]

The one weapon in common use that would have made a difference is a 12 gauge beanbag which would have put the guy down and hopefully not killed him. Of course a net gun would have also been great.

 

[Chevusa]

Super unfortunate that the taser just happened to malfunction but shouldn't at least one other person have had one?

Well we don't know how many tasers the department has. It could be 50% and still we could be in the same boat. What shift do the taser equipped cops work? Where were they when the call went out? Could have been patrolling 30 minutes away. Could have been tied up on other calls.

They are extremely expensive (usually $1200 at least) plus everyone with one must go through extensive training. That adds to the cost. Coulda shoulda woulda. We are defunding police if you hadn't heard.

Also a taser is not the weapon of choice in this situation due to the close proximity you have to get into. A taser is for other applications. Not when someone has a deadly blade or sharp weapon in their hand.

 

[Chevusa]

The one weapon in common use that would have made a difference is a 12 gauge beanbag which would have put the guy down and hopefully not killed him. Of course a net gun would have also been great.

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Where are these in "common use"? Please post the relevant data.

I also love this staged video where the guy stands still and allows it to happen and then magically falls. Looks like it's out of a low budget spy movie.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

You gonna approach a man with a deadly weapon within 15 feet to spray him? Is he just going to stand there and let you? He just going to stand there and take it? At that distance you can spray him and he'd be within a split second from slashing your throat. I know it worked in your daydream. In the real world - no.

They don't generally call in more people, unarmed untrained people, into a dangerous situation. Fire and EMS stay back until the scene is secure. But lets play and say that didn't exist. Ok fire truck is here. Getting pump charged. Getting hoses out. Again, he's just going to stand there and let it happen? In your mind yes. Real world - no.

Never seen a riot shield kept in a road patrol car. even if so, they are not designed to be used against people with deadly weapons in their hands. They are for crowd control. Would a crazed man with a weapon just stand still and allow you to approach? Would he stand still and allow you to contact him head on or would he move around the shield to slit your throat?

That is exactly what they did and did not shoot until he gave them no other choice by his deadly actions. They did try a taser but it was not working. Even so, very dangerous as you must get very close (25 feet generally). That distance can be closed in a heartbeat and you can be slashed.

It was his decision and his alone. He knew exactly what he was doing and he got the outcome he wanted. Sad!

Yes..real danger in a locked truck..and if he tried to cut/stab the truck the cops could of gunned him down..and a 3" hose is good at 50 yards or so.
You can spell this anyway you want but the cops did not expend any other options to try and save a life, That's what part of training is..save...not take.

 

[Chevusa]

Yes..real danger in a locked truck..and if he tried to cut/stab the truck the cops could of gunned him down..and a 3" hose is good at 50 yards or so.
You can spell this anyway you want but the cops did not expend any other options to try and save a life, That's what part of training is..save...not take.

Never seen a firefighter operate a hose line from inside of a locked truck. Also he's just going to stand in place and allow this to happen? What if he moves to the side or rear of the truck? Will they do a 100 point turn in the roadway to re-situate? If so will the deranged man remain still in that location or move again?

 

[GOPerfect]

I have some opinions on this as well. I'll say this, I am not not sure I would have handled the incident the same way.

 

[C3D]

Where are these in "common use"? Please post the relevant data.

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of departments that issue less-than-lethal shotguns outside of tactical units. But they are much more popular on the West Coast than in the east.

LAPD is a good example, I believe there is a "sock shooter" in every LAPD patrol car, and they are now upgrading the department to even more effective foam baton launchers:

http://lapd-assets.lapdonline.org/assets/pdf/beanbag-shotgun.pdf

 

[@thewheels]

Suicide by cop

 

[Chevusa]

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of departments that issue less-than-lethal shotguns outside of tactical units. But they are much more popular on the West Coast than in the east.

LAPD is a good example, I believe there is a "sock shooter" in every LAPD patrol car, and they are now upgrading the department to even more effective foam baton launchers:

http://lapd-assets.lapdonline.org/assets/pdf/beanbag-shotgun.pdf

I meant the net guns that you posted. I know some places have bean bag rounds. That could have been useful here but not everyone is going to have every weapon. There are budget, space and training considerations in the real world. Can't have everything.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Well we don't know how many tasers the department has. It could be 50% and still we could be in the same boat. What shift do the taser equipped cops work? Where were they when the call went out? Could have been patrolling 30 minutes away. Could have been tied up on other calls.

They are extremely expensive (usually $1200 at least) plus everyone with one must go through extensive training. That adds to the cost. Coulda shoulda woulda. We are defunding police if you hadn't heard.

Also a taser is not the weapon of choice in this situation due to the close proximity you have to get into. A taser is for other applications. Not when someone has a deadly blade or sharp weapon in their hand.

They are extremely expensive (usually $1200 at least) plus everyone with one must go through extensive training. That adds to the cost. Coulda shoulda woulda. We are defunding police if you hadn't heard.

How much is a life worth?

 

[C3D]

I meant the net guns that you posted. I know some places have bean bag rounds. That could have been useful here but not everyone is going to have every weapon. There are budget, space and training considerations in the real world. Can't have everything.

I didn't meant the net guns were in common use, only the LTL beanbag guns. I agree those net guns are pretty rare (though cool) and still not perfected to the level where the technology can be widely deployed outside of a specialty setting.

 

[Chevusa]

How much is a life worth?

We are defunding the police. The outraged people are the same to defund them. Can't have it both ways.

Where does it stop?

If only to save 1 life?

Every patrol car must have every possible tool ever invented?

Every patrol car must tow a 30 foot trailer behind it to fit all the tools in?

Each cop will be equipped with millions of dollars of tools.

Each department budget is 5 trillion dollars..

If just to save 1 life - a life the very person doesn't want to live by his own actions.

If it only saves 1 we must do it!!!!!



Back to the real world.....................

 

[Mr. terzmo]

We are defunding the police. The outraged people are the same to defund them. Can't have it both ways.

Where does it stop?

If only to save 1 life?

Every patrol car must have every possible tool ever invented?

Every patrol car must tow a 30 foot trailer behind it to fit all the tools in?

Each cop will be equipped with millions of dollars of tools.

Each department budget is 5 trillion dollars..

If just to save 1 life - a life the very person doesn't want to live by his own actions.

If it only saves 1 we must do it!!!!!



Back to the real world.....................

They only need one tool...it's connected to the top of their neck.(their head) Would this have gone the same way for a friend of one of those cops..or even another cop needing help? I think not. Drop the bottle or get shot was the only two options. I don't care to see cops get killed/hurt but as I said earlier..it was handled poorly

 

[Chevusa]

They only need one tool...it's connected to the top of their neck.(their head) Would this have gone the same way for a friend of one of those cops..or even another cop needing help? I think not. Drop the bottle or get shot was the only two options. I don't care to see cops get killed/hurt but as I said earlier..it was handled poorly

You said money was irrelevant. What happened? Can't counter. So now we'll say they didn't use their heads.

We'll see what you do when charged at close range by a nut with a deadly weapon.

Dream on.

Blame everyone but the bad guy.

If I were a cop there I would have got in my car and left.

Whatever happens - happens.

That way some dummy can't come along after the fact, while sitting in a recliner eating a ham sandwich, and question what I had to do to go home to my family.

For every real life explanation there will always be someone sitting back with their feet up telling us what they did wrong. Someone who never did it themselves.

Tomorrow we will discuss everything the Allied forces did wrong at Normandy. We'll show them dummies!

 

[Mr. terzmo]

You said money was irrelevant. What happened? Can't counter. So now we'll say they didn't use their heads.

I never said that. This is how the dems and left work a discussion. Show in a post where that was said by me.

 

[Chevusa]

I never said that. This is how the dems and left work a discussion. Show in a post where that was said by me.

I listed the cost of tasers. You responded "how much is a life worth"

That is a direct response to cost. There is no other way your response can be applied.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Also a taser is not the weapon of choice in this situation due to the close proximity you have to get into. A taser is for other applications. Not when someone has a deadly blade or sharp weapon in their hand.

They literally tried to use a taser in the very scenario we are talking about here. A taser is for this application.