VP Debate

[Paxal]

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I never buy slogan shirts, but, I’m seriously considering this one.

 

[GOPerfect]

BTW, in regards to the fly....

 

[Blimey]

So when you get pulled over for a bad tail light, demand a full body cavity search, let them, after all, you got nothing to hide.
Robin

Hopefully you, or one of the people who liked your comment, and explain to me how it’s relevant to what I wrote

 

[Blimey]

It could also be that like he said, he and his companies are under audit, and his legal representation advised him not to release his returns.

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy.

I agree there is no conspiracy. He’s simply lied about his wealth. It’s Occam’s razor.

 

[Robin]

Hopefully you, or one of the people who liked your comment, and explain to me how it’s relevant to what I wrote

You have two choices. Occam's razor applies.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

Pretty much every president voluntarily shares this info. It's obvious to me why Trump never did. It had nothing to do with trolling anybody; he was ashamed of it. Not illegal, just not proud of it. He's also lied about it now for what four years: he'll never voluntarily release them, ever, ever, ever, ever.

As I've said before I want the dems to lose because they hate America, but trump reminds me more and more of immortan joe.

So when you get pulled over for a bad tail light, demand a full body cavity search, let them, after all, you got nothing to hide.
Robin

Hopefully you, or one of the people who liked your comment, and explain to me how it’s relevant to what I wrote

I liked @Robin post. I agree with the way he said what he said. I think the comparison is spot on. Too often, Americans feel that they are entitled to something that they are not. We are NOT entitled to the tax returns of the elected. It really is none of our business. Never has been. If it were, a law would be passed to force the release of all tax returns, investments and the like.

You stated that he is ashamed of his tax returns? How do you know this? What evidence and/or what proof do you have? I know, none at all. That is okay, all are secure in their opinions.

Basically, so many say if "Nothing to hide" show us.... This is where Robin's post comes into play.

The entitled mentality of people astounds me.

 

[GOPerfect]

I agree there is no conspiracy. He’s simply lied about his wealth. It’s Occam’s razor.

Where does it show that he lied about the wealth? Wealth comes in many forms....

 

[CaseHardened]

I liked @Robin post. I agree with the way he said what he said. I think the comparison is spot on. Too often, Americans feel that they are entitled to something that they are not. We are NOT entitled to the tax returns of the elected. It really is none of our business. Never has been. If it were, a law would be passed to force the release of all tax returns, investments and the like.

You stated that he is ashamed of his tax returns? How do you know this? What evidence and/or what proof do you have? I know, none at all. That is okay, all are secure in their opinions.

Basically, so many say if "Nothing to hide" show us.... This is where Robin's post comes into play.

The entitled mentality of people astounds me.

That's it right there.

 

[Blimey]

You stated that he is ashamed of his tax returns? How do you know this? What evidence and/or what proof do you have? I know, none at all. That is okay, all are secure in their opinions.

Basically, so many say if "Nothing to hide" show us.... This is where Robin's post comes into play.

The entitled mentality of people astounds me.

Every president for 50 years except him has released.

Many have attempted to investigate his wealth--well before 2016, btw, and concluded it's less than he claims.

Recently NYTimes has put themselves in legal jeopardy by making conclusive statements about his taxes. Do you think they put themselves in that position blindly?

Trump, who is a known liar, continues to represent himself as worth many billions. Nobody seems able to justify it. Ergo, he's probably lying about that as well, and this would be consistent with why has not released his returns voluntarily.

The nothing to hide is inapplicable to robin's post because the IRS already knows everything about Trump's taxes. The only people who don't are not a legal authority with prosecutorial power, but the general public.

I really just see him as immorten joe, and he has some very loyal followers who have been promised valhalla. It's not real.

 

[kev74]

I agree there is no conspiracy. He’s simply lied about his wealth. It’s Occam’s razor.

I guess we are a bunch of liars too. We talk about our houses, our cars, our stuff. The bank owns most of it, not us.

 

[Blimey]

Where does it show that he lied about the wealth? Wealth comes in many forms....

When he speaks of wealth it's net worth. Here is one article of many. From well before he was running for potus.

Why We Took Trump Off The Forbes 400 During His Decade Of Tax Losses

Forbes republishes a classic 1990 investigation into Donald Trump's finances.

www.forbes.com

He's not poor. He'll never be driving a used camry. But he lies about his net worth. Has for a long time. Kind of like a new realtor who leases a car they can't afford. Fake it till you make it.

 

[Blimey]

I guess we are a bunch of liars too. We talk about our houses, our cars, our stuff. The bank owns most of it, not us.

What have you lied about?

 

[CaseHardened]

Every president for 50 years except him has released.

Many have attempted to investigate his wealth--well before 2016, btw, and concluded it's less than he claims.

Recently NYTimes has put themselves in legal jeopardy by making conclusive statements about his taxes. Do you think they put themselves in that position blindly?

Trump, who is a known liar, continues to represent himself as worth many billions. Nobody seems able to justify it. Ergo, he's probably lying about that as well, and this would be consistent with why has not released his returns voluntarily.

The nothing to hide is inapplicable to robin's post because the IRS already knows everything about Trump's taxes. The only people who don't are not a legal authority with prosecutorial power, but the general public.

I really just see him as immorten joe, and he has some very loyal followers who have been promised valhalla. It's not real.

So .... ?

Are we all lemmings now ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Every president for 50 years except him has released.

Many have attempted to investigate his wealth--well before 2016, btw, and concluded it's less than he claims.

Recently NYTimes has put themselves in legal jeopardy by making conclusive statements about his taxes. Do you think they put themselves in that position blindly?

Trump, who is a known liar, continues to represent himself as worth many billions. Nobody seems able to justify it. Ergo, he's probably lying about that as well, and this would be consistent with why has not released his returns voluntarily.

The nothing to hide is inapplicable to robin's post because the IRS already knows everything about Trump's taxes. The only people who don't are not a legal authority with prosecutorial power, but the general public.

I really just see him as immorten joe, and he has some very loyal followers who have been promised valhalla. It's not real.

So, using @Robin 's post again, if all consented to a strip search, would that make it okay?

I do not care that other president candidates released their returns, no law that demands it.

Until I see hard facts that he is lying about his worth, I'll stand back and believe he is worth a shot ton of money.

Back in 16, I read his financial releases, there seems to be a lot of numbers following his worth.

People will believe what they want, some believe the propaganda pushed by the left, I do not. If you want to believe the hype and the BS pushed by them, that sir is your business.

As for Valhalla, only Odin and the valkyries have the ability to chose who does and who does not enter the great hall. I do hope to be chosen when the te comes!

 

[spat]

When he speaks of wealth it's net worth. Here is one article of many. From well before he was running for potus.

Why We Took Trump Off The Forbes 400 During His Decade Of Tax Losses

Forbes republishes a classic 1990 investigation into Donald Trump's finances.

www.forbes.com

He's not poor. He'll never be driving a used camry. But he lies about his net worth. Has for a long time. Kind of like a new realtor who leases a car they can't afford. Fake it till you make it.

Anyone with enough wealth to care will spend *a lot* of effort to make sure it is *not* personally taxable assets

If Trump *is* worth what he claims, but his tax returns show his personal assets as worth more than a few million he seriously needs to find new accountants.

The vast majority of Americans would not be capable of understanding his return, and obviously the Democrats would either make him into a pauper or a robber baron (or both simultaneously as is their habit) no matter *what* his return says.

If Trump were allowed to fill in any fiction he wanted on the forms and then release them it would *still* probably be a bad idea.

So, no, they don’t worry me.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Let’s just say that Trump is worth 500 million instead of a few billion. Let’s just say that he legally paid a few thousand dollars instead of millions in taxes due to the tax laws currently on the books. Let’s just say that of all his 10 businesses (arbitrarily number for the sake of discussion), only 2 were successful.

Who gives a fuck! Is being a billionaire qualification to be president? Is paying more then you are LEGALLY supposed to pay qualification to be president? Is having the majority of your businesses being successful qualification to be president? No. It isn’t.

You guys fall for the BS smoke and mirrors that the rest of ignorant American population falls for.

 

[spat]

Every president for 50 years except him has released.

Trump is nothing like the presidents of the last 50 years.

That is a virtue not a fault.

The only one who is comparable is Reagan.

 

[Robin]

Blimey:
"Trump, who is a known liar, continues to represent himself as worth many billions. Nobody seems able to justify it. Ergo, he's probably lying about that as well, and this would be consistent with why has not released his returns voluntarily."

You sound like a democrat on the evening news, and will not be contested, in fact the news person will nod in agreement.

I'm not saying he hasn't told lies, but Nothing of a relevance comes to mind. Would you list ten lies he has told.
Robin

 

[Blimey]

Blimey:
"Trump, who is a known liar, continues to represent himself as worth many billions. Nobody seems able to justify it. Ergo, he's probably lying about that as well, and this would be consistent with why has not released his returns voluntarily."

You sound like a democrat on the evening news, and will not be contested, in fact the news person will nod in agreement.

I'm not saying he hasn't told lies, but Nothing of a relevance comes to mind. Would you list ten lies he has told.
Robin

Here’s a bunch.

Fact-checks | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

 

[GOPerfect]

Here’s a bunch.

Fact-checks | PolitiFact

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

I am sorry in advance, I do not have time to respond to the politfact that you posted....

I can tell you one thing, first an opinion cannot be a lie, and second most of their "pants on fire" are actually truth. I'll post the facts when I get home, if interested.

 

[CaseHardened]

"PolitiFact"



What a load of STEAMING CRAP that site is.

 

[Blimey]

"PolitiFact"



What a load of STEAMING CRAP that site is.

I’m sorry, you’re right. Trump hasn’t told any lies.

confirmation bias, which we all accuse the left of, is plenty strong on the right. Only about, oh like three of us on this site appreciate the fact trump is most likely going to lose next month.Should that happen will the rest of you have learned anything, or merely jump down the rabbit hole further and blame his loss on deceit instead of him? It’s going to be a highly traumatizing evening.

 

[CaseHardened]

I’m sorry, you’re right. Trump hasn’t told any lies.

confirmation bias, which we all accuse the left of, is plenty strong on the right. Only about, oh like three of us on this site appreciate the fact trump is most likely going to lose next month.Should that happen will the rest of you have learned anything, or merely jump down the rabbit hole further and blame his loss on deceit instead of him? It’s going to be a highly traumatizing evening.

Somehow you cannot see the failings of President Trump's opposition.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I’m sorry, you’re right. Trump hasn’t told any lies.

confirmation bias, which we all accuse the left of, is plenty strong on the right. Only about, oh like three of us on this site appreciate the fact trump is most likely going to lose next month.Should that happen will the rest of you have learned anything, or merely jump down the rabbit hole further and blame his loss on deceit instead of him? It’s going to be a highly traumatizing evening.

I'll accept it on the miniscule chance he loses. So what will you do if he wins? Complain for the next four years? Also, the amount of money he has/makes known/ lies about is wholly irrelevant to his presidency. Now if you're talking about him lying then who cares? All politicians lie. All billionaires lie. All millionaires lie. All people lie. EVERYONE lies. Since you hate trump so much tell us who you'd like to see as president right now. Or the next election. Have they ever lied?

 

[Blimey]

Somehow you cannot see the failings of President Trump's opposition.

I am not speaking of them at this time.

 

[Blimey]

I'll accept it on the miniscule chance he loses. So what will you do if he wins? Complain for the next four years? Also, the amount of money he has/makes known/ lies about is wholly irrelevant to his presidency. Now if you're talking about him lying then who cares? All politicians lie. All billionaires lie. All millionaires lie. All people lie. EVERYONE lies. Since you hate trump so much tell us who you'd like to see as president right now. Or the next election. Have they ever lied?

What do you mean complain? I don’t complain he is president. I have often called him a buffoon because he clowns around but he is better than the alternative.

I’d like him to win. I just don’t think he will and it’s not because Dems are stealing the election but because he is undisciplined, unfocused, and often quite incompetent. Compare him and pence. Night and day. Pence did great in his debate. Trump’s performance was atrocious because he was lazy, unprepared, and tactically weak.

there are too many here in an echo chamber who fail to realize how profoundly flawed trump is and always was and that he beat Clinton only because she had magnitudes more baggage than Biden. As I’ve saidin the past if a Democratic potus acted as trump does many here would be foaming at the mouth as well.

 

[CaseHardened]

I am not speaking of them at this time.

Then when ?

When the stores are empty of food and goods ?
When your money is worthless ?
When there is no gas, no heat, no electricity ?
When their Paramilitary is at your door, demanding your guns ?

Never happen ?

The people of Germany thought so a century ago.
The people of Cuba thought so six decades ago.
The people of Venezuela thought so six years ago.

I really do not think you understand the gravity of the situation.

 

[CaseHardened]

What do you mean complain? I don’t complain he is president. I have often called him a buffoon because he clowns around but he is better than the alternative.

I’d like him to win. I just don’t think he will and it’s not because Dems are stealing the election but because he is undisciplined, unfocused, and often quite incompetent. Compare him and pence. Night and day. Pence did great in his debate. Trump’s performance was atrocious because he was lazy, unprepared, and tactically weak.

there are too many here in an echo chamber who fail to realize how profoundly flawed trump is and always was and that he beat Clinton only because she had magnitudes more baggage than Biden. As I’ve saidin the past if a Democratic potus acted as trump does many here would be foaming at the mouth as well.

You don't think we were when Obama was wreaking havoc ?

 

[REF]

What do you mean complain? I don’t complain he is president. I have often called him a buffoon because he clowns around but he is better than the alternative.

I’d like him to win. I just don’t think he will and it’s not because Dems are stealing the election but because he is undisciplined, unfocused, and often quite incompetent. Compare him and pence. Night and day. Pence did great in his debate. Trump’s performance was atrocious because he was lazy, unprepared, and tactically weak.

there are too many here in an echo chamber who fail to realize how profoundly flawed trump is and always was and that he beat Clinton only because she had magnitudes more baggage than Biden. As I’ve saidin the past if a Democratic potus acted as trump does many here would be foaming at the mouth as well.

I hope he wins as well but I don’t think he will either. And if he doesn’t , it was his election to lose because you could not of had a weaker opponent.

 

[Doc8404]

I so badly want to tell you how MITHC parallels with politics but I won't.

thanks to those that recommended this show.
S1 E1 ten minutes in and my BP is high.