AOW IN NYS

[DrBleachCocktail]

If you had a fixed mag AOW would the ATF approve the stamp or no?

 

[Edwardteach72]

If you had a fixed mag AOW would the ATF approve the stamp or no?

Fixed mags don't mean shit federally

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

Fixed mags don't mean shit federally

So I’m assuming that’s a no.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So I’m assuming that’s a no.

If they wouldn't approve the tax stamp for something with a detachable magazine why would they if you made it not detachable

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

If they wouldn't approve the tax stamp for something with a detachable magazine why would they if you made it not detachable

Thank you!!! I’m talking to this dumb ass and he think that AOW are legal in NYS because the unSAFE ACT haven’t mentioned it.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

ATF is not going to allow a semi auto AOW in NYS.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Actually I do believe 2 AOW (specifically the serbu super shorty) have been approved here in NY iirc

 

[BDinPutnam]

Pen gun is a fixed mag AOW.

Single shot, however.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

Actually I do believe 2 AOW (specifically the serbu super shorty) have been approved here in NY iirc

Yes that I know of but for Semi Auto AOW? I don’t think so.

 

[SomeSoldier]

ATF is not going to allow a semi auto AOW in NYS.

Why does the ATF give a shit what state the firearm residence.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yes that I know of but for Semi Auto AOW? I don’t think so.

Why? What difference does it make if its semi auto or not?.. it doesn't the feds only give a shit about 2 things.. is it automatic (classifying it as a machine gun) or is it not automatic (classifying it under any of the other NFA categories or if its not an NFA item then they don't give a fuck)

 

[spat]

Thank you!!! I’m talking to this dumb ass and he think that AOW are legal in NYS because the unSAFE ACT haven’t mentioned it.

There are certain things that fall under the AOW umbrella federally, but can be registered on a pistol permit in NY IIRC.

Things like single shot pen guns and stuff.

If you had some AOW that was only illegal in NY because of the detachable mag, fixing the mag could allow you to register it federally and then possess it in NY legally.

The feds will not register something that would be a violation of state law to possess.

The federal requirements and the state requirements are completely independent.

NY doesn't outlaw AOWs. But most things the feds consider an AOW are illegal in NY for other reasons (but not all of them).

 

[spat]

Yes that I know of but for Semi Auto AOW? I don’t think so.

A fixed mag version of the Serbu in semi auto would probably be OK. A detachable mag version probably not.

In that case, fixing the mag would probably let you register it in NY.

It's a pretty edge case that would require some special custom made gun, but that is probably how it would go.

 

[spat]

A Serbu Super Shorty built on an 1187 receiver instead of an 870 would most likely be legal in NY.

Why wouldn't it ?

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

A Serbu Super Shorty built on an 1187 receiver instead of an 870 would most likely be legal in NY.

Why wouldn't it ?

I was thinking that if you had a fixed mag AOW you would be g2g but then knowing NY I doubt it. So fixed mag AOW are good to go?

 

[SomeSoldier]

I was thinking that if you had a fixed mag AOW you would be g2g but then knowing NY I doubt it. So fixed mag AOW are good to go?

Its NY, you won't know that until you are arrested.

 

[spat]

I was thinking that if you had a fixed mag AOW you would be g2g but then knowing NY I doubt it. So fixed mag AOW are good to go?

Show me why they wouldn't be ?

Now, convincing all the appropriate licensing officers of that fact could get expensive and involve lawyers. But I see no legitimate reason they wouldn't be.

Of course there are a lot of other things that can make a weapon forbidden in NY? so not every fixed max AOW will be legal, but some would be.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

Show me why they wouldn't be ?

Now, convincing all the appropriate licensing officers of that fact could get expensive and involve lawyers. But I see no legitimate reason they wouldn't be.

Of course there are a lot of other things that can make a weapon forbidden in NY? so not every fixed max AOW will be legal, but some would be.

Holy shit this is news to me.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Show me why they wouldn't be ?

Now, convincing all the appropriate licensing officers of that fact could get expensive and involve lawyers. But I see no legitimate reason they wouldn't be.

Of course there are a lot of other things that can make a weapon forbidden in NY? so not every fixed max AOW will be legal, but some would be.

And let's not forget they changed the whole "local CLEO must sign off on stamps" thing a few years ago.

Nice write up above (couple times over), btw.

 

[spat]

Holy shit this is news to me.

There are a lot of complicated rules you are dancing around here.

But you could build a semiautomatic AOW that was legal NY (that Serbu on an 1187 receiver comes to mind).

There are also a boatload of AOW designs featuring a fixed mag that would not be allowed.

So, you really need to nail down all the specifics to know.

 

[spat]

Its NY, you won't know that until you are arrested.

They're going to have a pretty rough time arresting you for something that's listed on your permit and you have a federal tax stamp for.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

They're going to have a pretty rough time arresting you for something that's listed on your permit and you have a federal tax stamp for.

Okay one question. Once I built this AOW I just send the ATF the tax stamp and then request it to be on my permit? If this is the way I don’t think my permit office will even allow that.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

And let's not forget they changed the whole "local CLEO must sign off on stamps" thing a few years ago.

Nice write up above (couple times over), btw.

So now no more LEO sign off correct?

 

[spat]

Okay one question. Once I built this AOW I just send the ATF the tax stamp and then request it to be on my permit? If this is the way I don’t think my permit office will even allow that.

No, you need the tax stamp before you can build it.

You would have to get the receiver, add it to your permit, file your federal paperwork, wait for that to come back, and *then* build it.

Anything else would leave you in possession of an illegal firearm for at least part of the process.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

No, you need the tax stamp before you can build it.

You would have to get the receiver, add it to your permit, file your federal paperwork, wait for that to come back, and *then* build it.

Anything else would leave you in possession of an illegal firearm for at least part of the process.

Okay so the adding to the permit part wouldn’t work for my county because the pistol permit office only add handguns on permits. So if they see a .223/5.56 of multi receiver, the admendment won’t go through.

 

[spat]

Okay so the adding to the permit part wouldn’t work for my county because the pistol permit office only add handguns on permits. So if they see a .223/5.56 of multi receiver, the admendment won’t go through.

You add what you are going to build it into.

If you were going to build that Serbu for instance, you would have to acquire a *virgin* 1187 receiver that had never been a shotgun.

Your FFL could transfer that as an other, since it's not a complete weapon.

You would then register that receiver as a pistol on your permit with cal 12gauge and barrel length 10 inches or whatever.

While that's going on, you have your federal paperwork collecting dust at an ATF office for months.

Once the paperwork all clears, *then* you can assemble your new toy.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

You add what you are going to build it into.

If you were going to build that Serbu for instance, you would have to acquire a *virgin* 1187 receiver that had never been a shotgun.

Your FFL could transfer that as an other, since it's not a complete weapon.

You would then register that receiver as a pistol on your permit with cal 12gauge and barrel length 10 inches or whatever.

While that's going on, you have your federal paperwork collecting dust at an ATF office for months.

Once the paperwork all clears, *then* you can assemble your new toy.

Hmm I’ll give it a try.