Election Coverage And Results Thread

[SonOfSun]

Even assuming you are correct. We should vigorously investigate any allegations and fully prosecute anyone found guilty of attempting to subvert the process. Anything less and the legitimacy of the whole process is suspect.

We agree on this. Any reasonable claims should be investigated. By reasonable I mean plausible, ie. if someone claims Space Aliens were voting we can disregard that.

Many Democrats are trying to say "your guy lost, drop it".

I'm also more or less saying that, simply because I don't see any evidence that there was widespread fraud. If they can show proof of widespread fraud, I'd be saying hold up until it's resolved. My take on it is either put up or shut up. If you're going to claim fraud prove it, otherwise stop whining.

 

[holdover]

We agree on this. Any reasonable claims should be investigated. By reasonable I mean plausible, ie. if someone claims Space Aliens were voting we can disregard that.




I'm also saying that, simply because I don't see any evidence that there was widespread fraud. If they can show proof of widespread fraud, I'd be saying hold up until it's resolved.

Your the one in denial , Theres's a whole thread of posts linking to evidence of widespread fraud. The main stream media is censoring all of it. Thats why you dont see it.

 

[SonOfSun]

Your the one in denial , Theres's a whole thread of posts linking to evidence of widespread fraud. The main stream media is censoring all of it. That's why you dont see it.

Not trying to be obtuse here, but specifically which things are you speaking of? This thread is like 80+ pages, it's easy to not see something.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I don't understand why Trump has not declassified everything. Just do it and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[SonOfSun]

I don't understand why Trump has not declassified everything.

Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
As sure as God made black and white
What's done in the dark will be brought to the light
You can run on for a long time
But sooner or later God'll cut you down

 

[stokes]

I don't understand why Trump has not declassified everything. Just do it and let the chips fall where they may.

I think thats something he'll do right before he concedes,if he does concede.

 

[spat]

We agree on this. Any reasonable claims should be investigated. By reasonable I mean plausible, ie. if someone claims Space Aliens were voting we can disregard that.




I'm also more or less saying that, simply because I don't see any evidence that there was widespread fraud. If they can show proof of widespread fraud, I'd be saying hold up until it's resolved. My take on it is either put up or shut up. If you're going to claim fraud prove it, otherwise stop whining.

You will never see any evidence if you refuse to look for it.

It is interesting that the people who talk about police brutality running rampant, despite the fact that very few investigations find the officers guilty will use the exact logic they reject there to support the notion that the elections were unmolested.

So, which is it, do you trust the government to investigate itself, or not ?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Not trying to be obtuse here, but specifically which things are you speaking of? This thread is like 80+ pages, it's easy to not see something.

Some of these states are separated by margins of 20-50k. That's it. Less than 1%

How much of a jump is it to make a reasonable claim that there are certainly plausible ways that margin of victory can be manipulated just enough.

There are stories of people voting via mail And in person potentially casting 2 votes. There are allegations of non residents of a state placing votes in states they don't meet the criteria to vote in. There are mysterious late night ballot dumps where 100% of those ballots are for biden. There are allegations of the voting program software not counting "republican line" votes for trump because republican was categorized with a capital I (i) and not a lower case l (L). There are allegations of trump votes being flipped to biden by software glitches.

Etc

Etc

Etc.

 

[SonOfSun]

You will never see any evidence if you refuse to look for it.

I'm not going to look for evidence for something I don't think is happening. The people that think it's happening need to prove it, not the other way around. I'm not going to waste my time looking for proof of things I don't think are happening.

It is interesting that the people who talk about police brutality running rampant, despite the fact that very few investigations find the officers guilty will use the exact logic they reject there to support the notion that the elections were unmolested.

I don't think police brutality is rampant. It happens in one off rare cases, but it's not rampant. Same thing with voter fraud, happens in some one off rare cases, but not rampant. As to the people who feel that the government is good at self investigating in one area but not another, you'd have to ask those people, I don't feel that way.

So, which is it, do you trust the government to investigate itself, or not ?

I generally trust unbiased parties without a personal stake in the outcome, govt or not. IE. people who aren't impacted by the result going one way or another, they typically have little reason or motivation to lie... plus why take on the risk of getting caught for no reward?

 

[holdover]

Not trying to be obtuse here, but specifically which things are you speaking of? This thread is like 80+ pages, it's easy to not see something.

You just made my point.

 

[kev74]

We need to reject the concept that we need to prove there was fraud.

They need to prove it was legitimate.

That's how it works. You want me to accept the results, *convince me* it was legitimate.

Until you can do that I will assume it was not.

I was thinking about this today. Even if Biden winds up becoming president (which I don't think he will), he'll face even more criticisms of being illegitimate than trump did - because his people cheated to get him there.

Biden would be the Barry Bonds of presidents. Sure, he'd be on the list with the others, but his name will be the only one next to an asterisk. His family would be under enough scrutiny that it would put an end to the family business (10% for the big guy!). I bet they never set aside a rainy day fund either.

Perhaps the best part if Beijing Biden were to win would be the constant criticism and undercutting by Trump. If you thought a President Trump was entertaining, imagine the gloves coming off! And starting a media company to get the message out! Maybe call it TNN - Trump News Network.

 

[SonOfSun]

You just made my point.

When asked what specifically you are referring to, not answering and saying "just made my point" does the complete opposite of that.

I'm going to assume in this case since you aren't willing to assert something specific that's because you don't have anything specific to assert. Dismissed.

 

[SonOfSun]

And starting a media company to get the message out! Maybe call it TNN - Trump News Network.

God, I'd like to see that. Homeboy bankrupted a casino. The only business where people give you money for nothing. I'd give him about the same chance of success as Trump airlines or Trump Steaks. Good business plan, let's sell steaks at an electronics store, HAHAHAHA.

I'm totally ready for the hilarity of a TNN.

 

[Defilade]

This guy explains exactly the process clearly and why Hillary told Biden to never concede, that holds true for Trump. Listen to this guy.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

When asked what specifically you are referring to, not answering and saying "just made my point" does the complete opposite of that.

I'm going to assume in this case since you aren't willing to assert something specific that's because you don't have anything specific to assert. Dismissed.

I took the " you made my point" to be that he thought you stating how confusing this thread is and how hard it's becoming to follow is akin to the actual election results and all the subterfuge and obfuscation going on to confuse and mislead people.

 

[Defilade]

God, I'd like to see that. Homeboy bankrupted a casino. The only business where people give you money for nothing. I'd give him about the same chance of success as Trump airlines or Trump Steaks. Good business plan, let's sell steaks at an electronics store, HAHAHAHA.

I'm totally ready for the hilarity of a TNN.

And you feel people are not yearning for truth! Lmao! Alternative news is growing in leaps and bounds. Look at Newsmax! I believe YouTube is taking a giant hit with all the censoring going on.

 

[SonOfSun]

Some of these states are separated by margins of 20-50k. That's it. Less than 1%

How much of a jump is it to make a reasonable claim that there are certainly plausible ways that margin of victory can be manipulated just enough.

It's plausible for sure, but just because it's plausible doesn't mean it's happening.

I'm certainly willing to look at hard proof and would agree if it's proven it should absolutely be acted on. I think we both agree cheating/fraud is bad. I just don't see any evidence it's happening at any real scale outside of possibly a few one off cases.

There are stories of people voting via mail And in person potentially casting 2 votes.

Stories aren't proven cases. Sailors told stories of sea monsters, doesn't make it real. Give me proven cases and I'll accept it.

There are allegations of non residents of a state placing votes in states they don't meet the criteria to vote in.

Same as above, allegations aren't proven until they are.

There are mysterious late night ballot dumps where 100% of those ballots are for biden.

Abigail Bowen, Shiawassee County elections clerk, told New York Times reporter Jack Nicas that an extra 0 was typed in, meaning Biden’s unofficial tally was reported as 153,710 instead of 15,371

You like right win sources right?

The Federalist article acknowledges Politifact’s fact check on this, explaining that according to a spokesperson for Decision Desk HK this was a “data error”.

There are allegations of the voting program software not counting "republican line" votes for trump because republican was categorized with a capital I (i) and not a lower case l (L).

I looked and can't find anything on this, either arguing for or against it.

There are allegations of trump votes being flipped to biden by software glitches.

Assuming this is about Antrim County. It's been disproven.

A county clerk did not update the software that counts the physical results and which posts unofficial results online. When the unofficial election results online didn’t match the physical count, election officials stopped using the software in the county and manually updated the site.

According to the Michigan Department of State, “the software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error.”

False claims from Ronna McDaniel have no merit

In response to the false claims made by Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, the Michigan Department of State issues the following statements of fact:

www.michigan.gov

EDIT: fixed a few typos

 

[SonOfSun]

And you feel people are not yearning for truth! Lmao! Alternative news is growing in leaps and bounds. Look at Newsmax! I believe YouTube is taking a giant hit with all the censoring going on.

They aren't yearning for truth, they're yearning for comfort and ease. It's the American way of life, as a country we're soft now. Everyone has a 65" TV, pizza delivery, and a cell phone that will rub their balls.

Alternative news is just comfortable lies. There is no such thing as multiple truths to the same issue. All I see is people not liking reality, so they go looking for information that is more comfortable to them. I don't like Trump, but when he won in 2016 I didn't run off to happy-liberal-clinton-wins.com and delude myself that Clinton really won. Sucks for me, but that's just reality. Ya know? Some Democrats ran off to their comfy media bubble in 2016, and now I see some Republicans doing it in 2020.

It's like the person with terminal cancer, doesn't want to hear it so they look at stupid shit like essential oils etc. instead of accepting they have stage 4 pancreatic cancer and that the clock is ticking.

 

[libertysnake]

They aren't yearning for truth, they're yearning for comfort and ease. It's the American way of life, as a country we're soft now. Everyone has a 65" TV, pizza delivery, and a cell phone that will rub their balls.

Where can I find this device that will rub my balls, and why is it called @Darth?

It's like the person with terminal cancer, doesn't want to hear it so they look at stupid shit like essential oils etc. instead of accepting they have stage 4 pancreatic cancer and that the clock is ticking.

Technically, the clock is ticking for us all.

 

[Arjuna]

Biden-Harris aim to cripple cops nationwide in name of Black Lives Matter

 

[Steal2B]

And you feel people are not yearning for truth! Lmao! Alternative news is growing in leaps and bounds. Look at Newsmax! I believe YouTube is taking a giant hit with all the censoring going on.

Understanding today is the day a coordinated number of Conservative Facebook groups black out and swap to Parler.

 

[Steal2B]

MR BIDEN TEAR DOWN THIS WALL

Charles Hurt -- Democrats New Battle Cry: 'Mr. Biden, Tear Down That Wall!'

More than anything, it was “The Wall” that got President Trump elected four years ago. | Politics

www.breitbart.com

 

[Blimey]

It will get darker before the dawn. They are going to fight tooth and nail. Think of all the people that could go to prision. Probably 10k+ people involved in this, not to mention of countries that would be exposed if Trump got back in; Venezuela, Cuba, our friends UK. They all have something to lose.

Edit: let's not forget China.

This isnt just about the US this is the globalist plan possibly falling apart if Trump gets back in.

This is exactly why you know most of the posts about this are complete, unmitigated nonsense.

A conspiracy of this size requires a vast number of people, and it is unreasonable to pretend they would keep it secret.

If trump somehow wins this and blows the lid on a great fraud scheme I will happily eat my words. I do not expect that to happen, not one little bit. I expect it not to happen, but the cheerleaders of this I also expect to never admit they were led down a ridiculous path of fantasy and played.

First it was watermarks. Total bs. Then more votes than registered voters. Total bs. Then Sharpies. Total bs. Bs story after bs story after bs story, like dangling a carrot in front of a horse. It keeps moving but is no closer to its reward.

 

[SomeSoldier]

This is exactly why you know most of the posts about this are complete, unmitigated nonsense.

A conspiracy of this size requires a vast number of people, and it is unreasonable to pretend they would keep it secret.

If trump somehow wins this and blows the lid on a great fraud scheme I will happily eat my words. I do not expect that to happen, not one little bit. I expect it not to happen, but the cheerleaders of this I also expect to never admit they were led down a ridiculous path of fantasy and played.

First it was watermarks. Total bs. Then more votes than registered voters. Total bs. Then Sharpies. Total bs. Bs story after bs story after bs story, like dangling a carrot in front of a horse. It keeps moving but is no closer to its reward.

If I am wrong in the end so be it but I think the people behind this think we are the dumb masses they take their base for. I think they think they no longer have to hide it.

I have faith, I think Trump is going to win.

 

[GOYABEAN]

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[Blimey]

If I am wrong in the end so be it but I think the people behind this think we are the dumb masses they take their base for. I think they think they no longer have to hide it.

I have faith, I think Trump is going to win.

Like I said I hope you’re right...

 

[Steal2B]

 

[Darth]

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Probably not the best tactic to reference fiction books in any effort to bolster an argument.

 

[Steal2B]

Probably not the best tactic to reference fiction books in any effort to bolster an argument.

Look who is now sounding like a conspiracy theorist ... lol

 

[Steal2B]