What is your timeframe for expected full out SHTF

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So everyone remembers the riots and covid mess of 2020.

I think this is a good time to stop and think about what we have learned and make future predictions.

As crazy as 2020 has been it really hasn't been like full on SHTF without rule of law, do as you please.

For the most part things still held together.


In your opinion how far off are we from full out collapse from one reason or another? Not localized shtf for a day of local protesting or a week of stay at home lockdown but full out, shit gets real and people are shooting each other in the streets without any effective government.

I feel like for the first time in my life it's legitimately not that far off.

 

[FRB]

I just do not know what to think.... overall we have become very weak as a people. How can weak people fight? They just yield way too fast. Talk a good talk but when push comes to shove I say 85% to 90% will run. They have too much to lose personally. Who is left that is willing to sacrifice for all?

 

[tirwin1]

January 20th 2021?

 

[meketrefe]

As soon as the power for the playstation is not interrupted we will be ok.

 

[GOPerfect]

Hard to say, easier to guess. Me, I believe we are in the beginning stages as we sit in front of the computers...

Unless there is an EMP, an all out Nuclear strike against the US, or something else huge, nothing will be instant. We are in serious decline right now. It is upon us like a deer tick on your nuts.

I have been getting as ready as possible for whatever comes our way. And yes, something big and bad is heading directly to us.

 

[Paxal]

We are definitely in the “crisis phase” of the 4th turning. “The Fourth Turning” is a scary accurate predictor and fascinating book. Read it if you can. According to the book this “crisis phase is gonna roll until about 2024 give or take.

 

[CaseHardened]

You have to believe this is the plan of Dementia Joe's handlers.

 

[CaseHardened]

Hard to say, easier to guess. Me, I believe we are in the beginning stages as we sit in front of the computers...

Unless there is an EMP, an all out Nuclear strike against the US, or something else huge, nothing will be instant. We are in serious decline right now. It is upon us like a deer tick on your nuts.

I have been getting as ready as possible for whatever comes our way. And yes, something big and bad is heading directly to us.

If President Trump plays his cards right, this Nation could turn around quickly.

I certainly lack his courage, but he could use some of my ruthlessness.

 

[masterswimmer]

If President Trump plays his cards right, this Nation could turn around quickly.

I certainly lack his courage, but he could use some of my ruthlessness.

He's playing his hand like a chessmaster.

The man is shrewd as shit.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I don't know exactly when but can we get this shit started already?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Hard to say, easier to guess. Me, I believe we are in the beginning stages as we sit in front of the computers...

Unless there is an EMP, an all out Nuclear strike against the US, or something else huge, nothing will be instant. We are in serious decline right now. It is upon us like a deer tick on your nuts.

I have been getting as ready as possible for whatever comes our way. And yes, something big and bad is heading directly to us.

I used to be most worried about a sudden extreme event like an EMP.

I'm not anymore. Even though I still think it's a real and genuine possibility I think it's becoming more likely every day that as a country we are failing and in the early stages of collapse and balkanizing.

I have no idea what "america" will be in 2030 or 2040 but I really can't imagine it having the same borders as we do now.

For those who pay attention deagel still predicts we are experiencing a massive loss in population and GDP.

At some point in the next 10 years I think it's almost a certainty that china passes us to become the biggest global super power. I just don't know if that happens peacefully or via conflict.


I see a lot of bad things on the horizon I just don't know which is most likely or what time frame to expect it to happen in.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

We are definitely in the “crisis phase” of the 4th turning. “The Fourth Turning” is a scary accurate predictor and fascinating book. Read it if you can. According to the book this “crisis phase is gonna roll until about 2024 give or take.

I'm totally on board with this theory.

We have so much societal decay and diverging opinions that we as a people are stupid enough to elect representatives like illhan Omar and AOC who openly hate america. We elected a president who promised to fundamentally transform us. We celebrate athletes who shit on our nationalism, our country and or traditions. We celebrate companies and causes which support those athletes.

Our "heroes" are now anti american scumbags and criminals.

Everything is upside down.

There is such a divide in this country between what one half wants and what the other half wants that there is no more room to compromise. It's irreconcilable differences.

No nation can stand and survive with this much diverging internal conflict in what it should be.

 

[Saltwater60]

I honestly have no clue. The BLM protests stopped so there is that. I thought it would keep going and would have of the people still supported it. They don’t so they stopped it. They had the intended consequences they wanted though. They got Biden elected.
As for total SHTF shoot outs in the street I don’t think we will ever see that in my life time. Localized shit here and there yes. I do believe some asshole will attempt to assassinate Biden and if they are successful it will get bad for a while. Do I think we as conservatives will get out and do what BLM protestors did no because we have too much respect for other peoples things. Will there be little things here and there yes. Biden will make this worse not better but as long as he hands out money the trouble makers on the left will get complacent.
Of course it’s really hard to say.

 

[Celt]

I honestly have no clue. The BLM protests stopped so there is that. I thought it would keep going and would have of the people still supported it. They don’t so they stopped it. They had the intended consequences they wanted though. They got Biden elected.
As for total SHTF shoot outs in the street I don’t think we will ever see that in my life time. Localized shit here and there yes. I do believe some asshole will attempt to assassinate Biden and if they are successful it will get bad for a while. Do I think we as conservatives will get out and do what BLM protestors did no because we have too much respect for other peoples things. Will there be little things here and there yes. Biden will make this worse not better but as long as he hands out money the trouble makers on the left will get complacent.
Of course it’s really hard to say.

Funny how riots stopped after the election right....

And Biden hasnt yet been elected.

 

[fresch]

Did they stop or just not reported?

 

[soylentBlue]

I don't think we'll ever hit the tipping point to SHTF. I think our freedoms will be slowly eroded over generations until what was once America is forgotten because schools won't teach that we were once great - only that we were once racist, sexist, genocidal...
If too few stand against it, they will be crushed. I don't know what it would take to get enough people to all band together at once.

 

[tirwin1]

At some point in the next 10 years I think it's almost a certainty that china passes us to become the biggest global super power. I just don't know if that happens peacefully or via conflict.

I think china will be a regional and not a global superpower. Even now they don't have the naval forces to project power outside their region. Their demographic profile as a result of the 1 child policy guarantees a population decline starting in the near future. Finally, a large portion of their "GDP" is simply building more unused infrastructure (i.e. new cities full of empty buildings). To finance the building craze they have borrowed more money that we have. They can keep the shell game going because they manipulate the information and simply keep refinancing debt. Sooner or later the party is going to end. Japan, Korea and India have far more to fear from china than we do.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Did they stop or just not reported?

Fair question I know for awhile they were occuring nightly in Portland but when the media realized suburban mom's were turning against the violence the coverage stopped immediately.

 

[Jmac00]

I think china will be a regional and not a global superpower. Even now they don't have the naval forces to project power outside their region. Their demographic profile as a result of the 1 child policy guarantees a population decline starting in the near future. Finally, a large portion of their "GDP" is simply building more unused infrastructure (i.e. new cities full of empty buildings). To finance the building craze they have borrowed more money that we have. They can keep the shell game going because they manipulate the information and simply keep refinancing debt. Sooner or later the party is going to end. Japan, Korea and India have far more to fear from china than we do.

agreed, It will depend on how much of America Slo-Joe sells to China,

although I think Kamel-Toe Harris will keep China in Business simply by buying new "Made-in-China" knee pads

 

[FRB]

I have no idea what "america" will be in 2030 or 2040 but I really can't imagine it having the same borders as we do now.

Right, we have no idea what 2030 2040 will look like, but would have thunk this for today:

 

[fresch]

Back To The Future vs Road Warrior, looking like Road Warrior is winning.

 

[Celt]

Did they stop or just not reported?

I almost added that line into my comment because it could be the same thing. There might be small riots here and there but largely you won't hear anything about it now because they served their purpose.

 

[Blimey]

I honestly have no clue. The BLM protests stopped so there is that. I thought it would keep going and would have of the people still supported it. They don’t so they stopped it. They had the intended consequences they wanted though. They got Biden elected.
As for total SHTF shoot outs in the street I don’t think we will ever see that in my life time. Localized shit here and there yes. I do believe some asshole will attempt to assassinate Biden and if they are successful it will get bad for a while. Do I think we as conservatives will get out and do what BLM protestors did no because we have too much respect for other peoples things. Will there be little things here and there yes. Biden will make this worse not better but as long as he hands out money the trouble makers on the left will get complacent.
Of course it’s really hard to say.

This is my view.

At some point SHTF is going to happen most likely. Many countries and societies have had it happen, so there's no reason to think it won't. But, just playing the odds it hasn't happened in any advanced western nation since the middle of last century, and even during WW II (I think being invaded by germans counts) some western nations still held out. So just based on the odds, if I live for several more decades I expect to avoid this.

It's hard to see how a civil war would play out in the USA. A nation-ending EMP is plausible, and that would be very destructive, because food would get scarce and hungry people will do a lot.

 

[CaseHardened]

The man is shrewd as shit.

Sadly, no.

While the opposition ignores our laws, President Trump is reluctant to use the law to his advantage.

The time for acting "nice" so as to not alienate voters is over.

MARTIAL LAW !

 

[CaseHardened]

Did they stop or just not reported?

We all know these Rioters were being paid to riot.

Someone believes the Election has turned out the way they wanted it to, so no more payments.

I wonder who ?

It couldn't possibly be a billionaire, who is an unrepentant, living NAZI ?

 

[Robin]

Used to be I was a live and let live kind of guy, you want to do something I think is stupid, morally bankrupt, or whatever, have at it, as long as it doesn't affect me and mine, be what you think you can be. Hell we have even had communist enclaves within the borders of our country, they always fail, but hey. But now these outliers make laws that we have to accept their bullshit as normal, have to accept their political leanings even though they are anathema to the law of the land. So on a personal scale I say fuckem, and I think there are tens of millions just like me, we've had efuckingnuff! I will pray my country gets back on track peacefully with all my heart, but will not turn the cheek to those that would steal my freedom ever again.
Robin

 

[CaseHardened]

Isn't it frustrating to deal with people who say "I'm not interested in Politics".

Nothing is more important than Politics !

 

[meketrefe]

Back To The Future vs Road Warrior, looking like Road Warrior is winning.

We also thought the world would be like in Mad Max and instead we got Mad Karens everywhere.

 

[beebee]

If you want to know for certain where the world is headed, and just how horrible things are going to be, read Revelation- the last book of the Bible... According to God's Word, nothing in the history of the world since it was created will match it for sheer terror and misery...... bob

 

[GOPerfect]

If you want to know for certain where the world is headed, and just how horrible things are going to be, read Revelation- the last book of the Bible... According to God's Word, nothing in the history of the world since it was created will match it for sheer terror and misery...... bob

The story of Ragnarok is quite similar. Time and events as we know it, are coming to some serious changes.