New York legislation could make COVID-19 vaccination mandatory

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

A proposed New York law would mandate COVID-19 vaccination if not enough people voluntarily get the shot

The state's Health Department would have the power to mandate vaccination if New Yorkers aren't developing "sufficient immunity."

www.fox5ny.com

I hope pray that this becomes law. People refusing to comply + NY's method of enforcement will be the trigger event. The country will be watching and we need to hold the line. If someone chooses to get the vaccine - fine. Try to force it on me - not going to end well.

 

[fresch]

Haha, already having bad reactions in jolly old England from the first fools.

 

[repete]

I'm all for the vaccine, right up to the moment they say I "have" to have it then the fights on!
My body, my choice!

 

[meketrefe]

Before anyone releases a vaccine they need to make sure they didnt rush anything and it is safe like if you were going to get the tifus, tb, smallpox, etc...
2nd the government cannot force everyone to get it. If a family decides is in their best interest or a company policy requires to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity faster and keep everyone safe that is a different story. Hospitals, health workers will be first for obvious reasons. Schools, colleges, military, etc ..
But people should have the right to remain at home and isulated from everyone else (the heard) and if they do not care about their job then it is up to them, not any government.

 

[MothMan]

My body, my choice!

Only if you are a female of child bearing age!

 

[Deplorable Me]

https://www.radio.com/wben/news/world/uk-probing-if-allergic-reactions-linked-to-pfizer-vaccine

LONDON (AP) — Britain's medical regulator warned Wednesday that people with a history of serious allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech as investigators look into whether two reactions on the first day of the country’s vaccination program were linked to the shot.
Professor Stephen Powis, medical director for National Health Service in England, said the advice was issued on a “precautionary basis” and that the people who had reactions had recovered.
Pfizer and BioNTech said they were working with investigators “to better understand each case and its causes.″

In the meantime, the Medical and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency has said people should not received the vaccine if they have had a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food, such as those who have been told to carry an adrenaline shot — such as an EpiPen — or others who have had potentially fatal allergic reactions. The medical regulator also said vaccinations should be carried out only in facilities that have resuscitation equipment.
Such advice isn't uncommon; several vaccines already on the market carry warnings about allergic reactions, and doctors know to watch for them when people who’ve had reactions to drugs or vaccines in the past are given new products.
The two people who reported reactions were NHS staff members who had a history of significant allergies and carried adrenaline shots. Both had serious reactions, but recovered after treatment, the NHS said.

Stephen Evans, a professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said the regulator had done the right thing, but the general public shouldn't be worried about getting the vaccine.
“For the general population, this does not mean that they would need to be anxious about receiving the vaccination," he said. “One has to remember that even things like marmite can cause unexpected severe allergic reactions.”
The warning comes just a day after Britain rolled out its mass vaccination program amid efforts to control a pandemic that has killed more than 62,000 people across the country. The MHRA gave an emergency authorization to the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine last week, making Britain the first country to approve its widespread use. Canada's regulator authorized the vaccine Wednesday.

Even in non-emergency situations, health authorities must closely monitor new vaccines and medications because studies in tens of thousands of people can’t detect a rare risk that would affect 1 in 1 million. Authorities have not said how many people have received the shot in Britain so far, but they plan to give 800,000 doses in the first phase, which will target people over 80, nursing home staff and some NHS workers.
Late-stage trials of the vaccine found “no serious safety concerns,” Pfizer and BioNTech said. More than 42,000 people have received two doses of the shot during those trials.
Detailed data from the vaccine's trials showed potential allergic reactions in 0.63% of those who received the vaccine, compared with 0.51% of those who received the placebo. Reviewers from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration called this a “slight numerical imbalance.”

Documents published by the two companies showed that people with a history of severe allergic reactions were excluded from the trials, and doctors were advised to look out for such reactions in trial participants who weren’t previously known to have severe allergies.
As part of its emergency authorization for the vaccine, the MHRA required healthcare workers to report any adverse reactions to help regulators gather more information about safety and effectiveness.
The agency is monitoring the vaccine rollout closely and “will now investigate these cases in more detail to understand if the allergic reactions were linked to the vaccine or were incidental,” Powis said. “The fact that we know so soon about these two allergic reactions and that the regulator has acted on this to issue precautionary advice shows that this monitoring system is working well.”

Dr. June Raine, head of the medical regulatory agency, informed a Parliamentary committee about the reactions during previously scheduled testimony on the pandemic.
“We know from the very extensive clinical trials that this wasn’t a feature” of the vaccine, she said. “But if we need to strengthen our advice, now that we have had this experience in the vulnerable populations, the groups who have been selected as a priority, we get that advice to the field immediately.”
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[holdover]

Before anyone releases a vaccine they need to make sure they didnt rush anything and it is safe like if you were going to get the tifus, tb, smallpox, etc...
2nd the government cannot force everyone to get it. If a family decides is in their best interest or a company policy requires to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity faster and keep everyone safe that is a different story. Hospitals, health workers will be first for obvious reasons. Schools, colleges, military, etc ..

They wont come to your house or hunt you down if you refuse a vaccine, What they will do is make it manatory for all businesses to ensure workers have thier Vac card. All forms of business will require a Vac. card . they will make it difficult to live a normal life. Not at first, but slowly.

 

[Robin]

FUNY!
Robin

 

[Dr. Evil]

You can drive your car, you just can't have the steering wheel.

Driver licenses, auto insurance and registration, sporting events, etc..

 

[Nighttrain]

“I’m from the government and I’m here to help”

 

[Defilade]

Before anyone releases a vaccine they need to make sure they didnt rush anything and it is safe like if you were going to get the tifus, tb, smallpox, etc...
2nd the government cannot force everyone to get it. If a family decides is in their best interest or a company policy requires to be vaccinated to reach the herd immunity faster and keep everyone safe that is a different story. Hospitals, health workers will be first for obvious reasons. Schools, colleges, military, etc ..
But people should have the right to remain at home and isulated from everyone else (the heard) and if they do not care about their job then it is up to them, not any government.

If a family decides that it's in their best interest not to get it than end of story! And Hospital/Health worker should be the last to get in IMO. What if this brand spanking new RUSHED vaccine turns out to wreak havoc on people? I mean after all... 8 Months isn't questionable at the least? lol... Could one imagine side affects where workers are sidelined for weeks because of this shit? Not a good strategy.

 

[holdover]

Common sense.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

They wont come to your house or hunt you down if you refuse a vaccine, What they will do is make it manatory for all businesses to ensure workers have thier Vac card. All forms of business will require a Vac. card . they will make it difficult to live a normal life. Not at first, but slowly.

And this should be the trigger.
If they come to get me, I won't be the only person that dies that day - (OUR LIVES). If my job makes it mandatory I falsify the vaccination card, and that is on me - (OUR FORTUNES). If they inhibit OUR ability to live a somewhat normal life, then we ALL need to let them know that WE have had enough. I can play the mask game, reduced occupancy, reduced hours, and I will even stand <3 - >9 feet apart whenever I want. When I cannot move freely or feed my family, that reverts back to the spirit of 1776 - (SACRED HONOR).

 

[spat]

They wont come to your house or hunt you down if you refuse a vaccine, What they will do is make it manatory for all businesses to ensure workers have thier Vac card. All forms of business will require a Vac. card . they will make it difficult to live a normal life. Not at first, but slowly.

"It's your choice to get the vaccine, and we can't tell you that you can't buy groceries, but we will close down any store that we find you in"

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

"It's your choice to get the vaccine, and we can't tell you that you can't buy groceries, but we will close down any store that we find you in"

That is where we need to draw a line. This state needs to fall the moment they try this shit. It Is Coming.

I am on vacation in TN right now. I hope the tracers show up as soon as I get back. Pretty sure we have had this conversation before.

 

[meketrefe]

If a family decides that it's in their best interest not to get it than end of story! And Hospital/Health worker should be the last to get in IMO. What if this brand spanking new RUSHED vaccine turns out to wreak havoc on people? I mean after all... 8 Months isn't questionable at the least? lol... Could one imagine side affects where workers are sidelined for weeks because of this shit? Not a good strategy.

That is the main thing. Lets make sure is safe and in theory it should since corona viruses are well known and have been studied for decades. But it is on those doctors and pharma and gov. Approving to demonstrate to us they are effective and safe. That is imperative.
When you say the end of the story do you mean you dont mind home schooling and stay insulated from the rest?

 

[meketrefe]

They wont come to your house or hunt you down if you refuse a vaccine, What they will do is make it manatory for all businesses to ensure workers have thier Vac card. All forms of business will require a Vac. card . they will make it difficult to live a normal life. Not at first, but slowly.

I can see my company requiring the vaccine or people who already had it so they have the antibodies. But I am not really sure what they will do tp be honest.

 

[meketrefe]

And this should be the trigger.
If they come to get me, I won't be the only person that dies that day - (OUR LIVES). If my job makes it mandatory I falsify the vaccination card, and that is on me - (OUR FORTUNES). If they inhibit OUR ability to live a somewhat normal life, then we ALL need to let them know that WE have had enough. I can play the mask game, reduced occupancy, reduced hours, and I will even stand <3 - >9 feet apart whenever I want. When I cannot move freely or feed my family, that reverts back to the spirit of 1776 - (SACRED HONOR).

How do you reconcile with people who just want to return to work who are suffering and just want to get the vaccine amd return to normal amd the ones who want something else? Are you going to strat arguing or fighting with everyone work, community, school?
A private business might make it their policy and that is their right.
An entire community (lets say an amish village) might decide they all do it even if a few dont like it.
When I eas in the service nobody asked me anything ... They skinned my head and gave me a dozen shots thr first day amd here I am.
...again ..we are assuming is safe that is YTBD.

 

[meketrefe]

...and btw....these pretzels are making me thristy!!!!

 

[Cooolone]

Why? If I'm quartered at home, job shut down, nowhere to go, not going anywhere...

Who's business is it to come tell me I need vaccination as an able bodied (& mind) adult!?!?

As noted, MY body, MY choice!

Let's see how that shakes out ... Lmao!

And until they knock at the door with needle in hand, there's really nothing to worry or think about. We know that's not going to happen. So the proposal is moronic and ridiculous!

That all said... They WILL make it difficult, denying access to govt facilities and activities for instance. No air travel without your passport stamp verifying vaccination... and more. I can see even private industry compelling vaccination as a condition of employment, access to large attendance events, sports, shows, hell... even Home Depot! Once the door is opened, it's not gonna close!

Enforcement will be impossible, unless of course there's a problem and it's then discovered you're participating absent the juju koolaid! Then you'll be helping close the State budget gap and making a local attorney happy!

/End Rant

Carry on!

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

How do you reconcile with people who just want to return to work who are suffering and just want to get the vaccine amd return to normal amd the ones who want something else? Are you going to strat arguing or fighting with everyone work, community, school?
A private business might make it their policy and that is their right.
An entire community (lets say an amish village) might decide they all do it even if a few dont like it.
When I eas in the service nobody asked me anything ... They skinned my head and gave me a dozen shots thr first day amd here I am.
...again ..we are assuming is safe that is YTBD.

If you want it, get it. I don't want it, try to make me get it. I promise you and everyone here, right now, I will not try to be a hero. If this becomes mandatory, it is over my dead body, and purely out of principal. Sacred honor and all that.

 

[meketrefe]

If you want it, get it. I don't want it, try to make me get it. I promise you and everyone here, right now, I will not try to be a hero. If this becomes mandatory, it is over my dead body, and purely out of principal. Sacred honor and all that.

I don't think anyone should see this is a situation where anyone will try to line up people and/or tie them up in order to give them a vaccine against their will.
A vacation program presents quite a dilema at both the personal and social level.
The latest generations in developed countries have been blessed with state of the art medical care and health programs and vaccines play a huge role in making sure human do not suffer the effects of horrible diseases.
For those programs to work it is key that you get a high percentage of the population inoculated until you corner the virus oit of existence.
So at one side you want people to have a saying and decide for themselves and kids but at the other we want to to remain with the herd w/o being outcast and why historically and through evolution we chose whatever was in the best interest of the herd and why allowed us to survive and trive as species.
This was very clear when we were part of a tribe, a village and a clan.
We are actually hardwired for it deep in our brains.
But also the problem today is that regardless the best efforts of doctors and scientists and everyone who wants to help we are led by idiots that are nothing but political puppets playing games in the middle of a global crisis.
So I put whatever they might say or not say aside and concentrate in how I can contribute. So I think about my family, neighborhood, work colleagues for guidance and I understand that the same way I have rights I also have a certain obligations. Isn't that what being a good citizen is all about?
So after we make sure the vaccine is safe we will take it like any other vaccine and count our blessings. And I will not do it because a thug from Albany or DC or Elitist tells me I must do it but because I am sure is the right thing to do for the vaccine to work and achieve that critical health immunity faster.
Again this can present quite a dilemma and I dont know what to think about parents that dont let their kids get vaccines for polio and other horrible diseases.
I have been all over the world and see what those can do. It breaks your heart.
Something for everyone to reflect on.
I respect your opinion but prepare for it to be a requirement whether is to go to school, military, company or to travel to many countries where we require to be vaccinated for many bugs.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm all for the vaccine, right up to the moment they say I "have" to have it then the fights on!
My body, my choice!

I do not disagree...

What happens when your work requires this as well?

What happens when you want to enter a store and they ask for your Vaccine card?

Wanna fly? Got your card? Public transportation? Show me your card.

The list goes on and on...

 

[Defilade]

I do not disagree...

What happens when your work requires this as well?

What happens when you want to enter a store and they ask for your Vaccine card?

Wanna fly? Got your card? Public transportation? Show me your card.

The list goes on and on...

You mean when the Government coherses and threatens Businesses/Employers? Pulls their license or fines them? Gotta be illegal! Nobody should comply with that!

 

[GOPerfect]

You mean when the Government coherses and threatens Businesses/Employers? Pulls their license or fines them? Gotta be illegal! Nobody should comply with that!

What do all do in this case? Those with a family?

I want to sound all tough and brave, but I earn a lot of money at my job, I could never replace the paycheck elsewhere.

I am not saying that I will get it, but, it makes people think long and hard.

Maybe this will finally be the straw that broke the back of that there camel.

 

[Defilade]

That is the main thing. Lets make sure is safe and in theory it should since corona viruses are well known and have been studied for decades. But it is on those doctors and pharma and gov. Approving to demonstrate to us they are effective and safe. That is imperative.
When you say the end of the story do you mean you dont mind home schooling and stay insulated from the rest?

Yeah, For a virus with a 99% recovery rate? The World is f'in insane to put up with any of this!

 

[GOPerfect]

Yeah, For a virus with a 99% recovery rate? The World is f'in insane to put up with any of this!

The propaganda war in regards to the Rona is in full effect. The VAST MAJORITY of Americans believe everything that they are being spoon fed.

 

[GOPerfect]

The propaganda war in regards to the Rona is in full effect. The VAST MAJORITY of Americans believe everything that they are being spoon fed.

Some of this Propaganda is much worse in Europe. Just had a great conversation with a friend in Norway; completely out of control over there right now.

 

[prambo]

The propaganda war in regards to the Rona is in full effect. The VAST MAJORITY of Americans believe everything that they are being spoon fed.

And the "safe and effective vaccine" BS is the worst, because it's never been done before (except for canine GI coronavirus), and SARS-CoV-2 is a ChiCom bioengineered virus which has features never before seen in any related virus.

Nothing can equal the human immune system when it comes to tailoring an immune response at the level of individual amino acids.

 

[meketrefe]

Yeah, For a virus with a 99% recovery rate? The World is f'in insane to put up with any of this!

Hard to say it is a 99% or lower or higher.
But I can warantee you there is a 100% recovery rate of those who recover and a 100% mortality rate of those who die.
The measures seem out of proportion in many cases but it is already done and with a vaccine already here discussing about what
could have been but it wasn't and all that is like talking about the storm after already passed. A waste of time.

One thing is clear. Governments are pretty useless like always.