Drug OD deaths...way up!

[UpStateEd]

For the 12 months ending in May 2020, roughly 81,230 people died of a drug overdose in the United States. "This represents a worsening of the drug overdose epidemic in the United States and is the largest number of drug overdoses for a 12-month period ever recorded," the CDC says in a health advisory

 

[Acer-m14]

with covid too

 

[kev74]

For the 12 months ending in May 2020, roughly 81,230 people died of a drug overdose in the United States. "This represents a worsening of the drug overdose epidemic in the United States and is the largest number of drug overdoses for a 12-month period ever recorded," the CDC says in a health advisory

That's with only 2-1/2 months of shutdowns. Wait till they count a full year.

I think there were 6 or 7 obituaries in the local paper in the last week or so for people in their 20's & 30's who died unexpectedly and no corresponding articles about tragic car crashes or house fires.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am nearly happy with those numbers. The more OD's, the less users, junkies and crackheads on the streets robbing from the good people...

 

[meketrefe]

I am nearly happy with those numbers. The more OD's, the less users, junkies and crackheads on the streets robbing from the good people...

happy people die? ...very compassionate, tender and inspirational message..
The addictions do not care about age, legal status, race, religion, etc... and can affect the most unsuspected.
The pharma / painkillers and health system are partly responsible for this too.

 

[GOPerfect]

happy people die? ...very compassionate, tender and inspirational message..
The addictions do not care about age, legal status, race, religion, etc... and can affect the most unsuspected.
The pharma / painkillers and health system are partly responsible for this too.

My statement did not come out the way that I intended. Let me regather my thoughts and get back to you.

 

[meketrefe]

My statement did not come out the way that I intended. Let me regather my thoughts and get back to you.

no worries. I know we all say a lot of shit that is not probably the way we intend to.
We just write too much w/o thinking sometimes I guess.

 

[GOPerfect]

happy people die? ...very compassionate, tender and inspirational message..
The addictions do not care about age, legal status, race, religion, etc... and can affect the most unsuspected.
The pharma / painkillers and health system are partly responsible for this too.

I have been on this forum long enough for all to know that I am very unsympathetic and I have very little empathy left in my heart.

People choose. Some chose better than others. I do understand that many get hooked due to the over use of big pharma and the heath system.

I look at things very easy and quite simple; the individual is responsible for his/her decisions. There are many avenues in the US for people to get assistance. Many chose not to use these avenues.

I deal with these users daily. The vast majority that I deal with are not the victims of big pharma. The majority of these users that I deal with are self wanting junkies. I have no positive feelings for them. Is this cold? Hard?, Maybe yes. I see first hand all of the time the havoc that they portray on good, hard working people. I see the resources that are wasted trying to save those that do not want to be saved.

I would love a world in which these drugs do not addict, but this will not ever occur.

Not really sure if this sounds better. I have been jaded over the years....

 

[Darth]

It's weird, I deal with way way more addicts on a daily basis than any cop and I realize that "good" people are just as capable of being addicted as "bad" people.

 

[spat]

It's weird, I deal with way way more addicts on a daily basis than any cop and I realize that "good" people are just as capable of being addicted as "bad" people.

That is true, but the vast majority good or bad are addicted because of choices they made personally that obviously led to that conclusion.

Drug addiction is literally just a superset of alcoholism.

Anyone who shoots up heroine and says "nah, I can handle it" gets what they deserve.

 

[libertysnake]

My view is that if anyone asks for help, they should get it. And if they don't want help, they'll get what they deserve.

However, given the government breakdown of the doctor/patient relationship, there are less and less private avenues for help. NYS's removal of that privacy was / is the biggest threat we have to mental health.

 

[Plater1]

That's with only 2-1/2 months of shutdowns. Wait till they count a full year.

I think there were 6 or 7 obituaries in the local paper in the last week or so for people in their 20's & 30's who died unexpectedly and no corresponding articles about tragic car crashes or house fires.

Unfortunately this year is probably going to go down as one of the worst years for suicides. I mourn their deaths because they could have been prevented. Our society just doesn't seem to give a damn anymore. History will look back at us and hate us all.

 

[Saltwater60]

I have a good idea the government should declare a state of emergency and lock down the country to stop this from happening.

 

[Dr. Evil]

More covid deaths?

 

[Darth]

That is true, but the vast majority good or bad are addicted because of choices they made personally that obviously led to that conclusion.

Drug addiction is literally just a superset of alcoholism.

Anyone who shoots up heroine and says "nah, I can handle it" gets what they deserve.

People should always be responsible for their own actions.

 

[diggs223]

they should ban ads for drugs like they did alcohol, the constant ads on air about all these wonder drugs brainwashing people they can't live
without them

 

[spat]

People should always be responsible for their own actions.

I have sympathy for the ones who get addicted to a prescribed drug and then don't get the help they need to get off of it when the need is over. That should be malpractice.

But for everyone who just starts out recreationally and gets sucked in, that's like breaking your leg skiing. You should have known it was a possibility and accepted the risk.

 

[Darth]

I have sympathy for the ones who get addicted to a prescribed drug and then don't get the help they need to get off of it when the need is over. That should be malpractice.

But for everyone who just starts out recreationally and gets sucked in, that's like breaking your leg skiing. You should have known it was a possibility and accepted the risk.

I don't agree with the malpractice part. You choose to put it in yourself.

And maybe they did know the possibility and accept the risk. Now they see what it is doing and don't want to do that anymore.

We shouldn't be paying for it, but I have no problem with people helping others.

 

[Darth]

they should ban ads for drugs like they did alcohol, the constant ads on air about all these wonder drugs brainwashing people they can't live
without them

Censorship isn't the answer.

 

[spat]

I don't agree with the malpractice part. You choose to put it in yourself.

And maybe they did know the possibility and accept the risk. Now they see what it is doing and don't want to do that anymore.

We shouldn't be paying for it, but I have no problem with people helping others.

Just because you agreed to listen to the doctor doesn't absolve them of their obligation.

They are a professional who was paid to offer advice, they have an obligation to deliver sound advice. Anything less is the definition of malpractice.

They take on an obligation when they accept your money for services that they didn't have before that.

 

[Darth]

Just because you agreed to listen to the doctor doesn't absolve them of their obligation.

They are a professional who was paid to offer advice, they have an obligation to deliver sound advice. Anything less is the definition of malpractice.

They take on an obligation when they accept your money for services that they didn't have before that.

The person that chooses to put the drugs in their body is no other than the person doing it.

You can give advice until the cows come home. Doctors give terrible advice all the time. Look at the "Dr" we have on here. In the end you choose what you do to your own body. You chose the Dr. you chose if you listen to them.

(Albeit we are quickly losing the right here in NY)

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

No sympathy here at all.

I watched my best friend die a few years ago. He was all fucked up on prescription meds. Called me randomly and I could tell he was suicidal. Went to meet him but he didn't wait there for me. I was stopped at a stop sign and about to pull out when a car came flying around the turn and ended up wrapping around a telephone pole. I believe god swept him off the road that night so he didn't kill me in the intersection. It took a minute to realize what just happened and that it was my friend that just crashed. I sat with him while he died.

Again, no sympathy.

 

[diggs223]

Censorship isn't the answer.

is it censorship if a doctor prescribes for an illness instead of a patient walking in with an illness looking for a drug ?

 

[Saltwater60]

No sympathy here at all.

I watched my best friend die a few years ago. He was all fucked up on prescription meds. Called me randomly and I could tell he was suicidal. Went to meet him but he didn't wait there for me. I was stopped at a stop sign and about to pull out when a car came flying around the turn and ended up wrapping around a telephone pole. I believe god swept him off the road that night so he didn't kill me in the intersection. It took a minute to realize what just happened and that it was my friend that just crashed. I sat with him while he died.

Again, no sympathy.

Damn man sorry you had to see that. Glad you were there for him in the end.
A friend of mine had the same problems. She had all the support in the world she could ever have. She was clean for a year to a year and a half. The first chance she had to use she did and she died. Beautiful girl I was in love with and would have started a relationship with had she not of been a drug user. Her life is now over with and she literally had ever chance she could to make it right and didn’t.

 

[Saltwater60]

It cracks me up we spend money to tell people their illegal drugs might not be safe. I see the don’t trust your cocaine signs around here all the time. I just laugh.

 

[Darth]

is it censorship if a doctor prescribes for an illness instead of a patient walking in with an illness looking for a drug ?

Censorship would be the banning of speech.

Nothing to do with patients and doctors.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

some of you may have known him. He was the gunsmith at GM in Middletown. Good guy before he got all fucked up.

 

[spat]

The person that chooses to put the drugs in their body is no other than the person doing it.

You can give advice until the cows come home. Doctors give terrible advice all the time. Look at the "Dr" we have on here. In the end you choose what you do to your own body. You chose the Dr. you chose if you listen to them.

(Albeit we are quickly losing the right here in NY)

There's bad advice, and then there's malpractice.

There is a line.

And yes, a Dr can give advice so bad it's malpractice.

So can a lawyer.

 

[Darth]

There's bad advice, and then there's malpractice.

There is a line.

And yes, a Dr can give advice so bad it's malpractice.

So can a lawyer.

Absolvement of personal responsibility isn't my forte.

Your lawyer, for example, can say "let's sue Walmart for that slip and fall."

If you agree and pay him, that's your loss if it doesn't turn out in your favor. You made the choice.

"If they told you to jump off a bridge..."

 

[spat]

Absolvement of personal responsibility isn't my forte.

Your lawyer, for example, can say "let's sue Walmart for that slip and fall."

If you agree and pay him, that's your loss if it doesn't turn out in your favor. You made the choice.

"If they told you to jump off a bridge..."

If your lawyer, that you have paid for legal advice on the subject, tells you "that shotgun's fine with a 16" barrel, no need to pay for a tax stamp" they have committed malpractice. That doesn’t get you out of your prison sentence, but you *should* be able to sue them for a hefty sum for the faulty service they provided.

Malpractice is like an implied warranty. If someone sells you a bad product, they are liable. That goes for services too.

If someone screws up a brake job on your car and it leads to an accident, they are liable, even if you were the one driving. That's how it works.

Part of what you're paying them for is their assuming a measure of responsibility.