Should assange and/or Snowden be pardoned?

[kaliber]

I have to admit I was not pleased at the time they were “whistle blowers” and regarded exposing state secrets, assets and such as a detriment to this country’s safety. Fast forward to current times and knowing intelligence programs were used to spy on citizens, a presidential campaign, election rigging and god only knows what else I think they were trying to do the right thing. I say pardon both.

 

[kev74]

Yes to both.

 

[tirwin1]

I've done a 180 degree turn on them. I'd pardon them both.

 

[FRB]

Snowden no, he gave up troop positions no? Assange yes.

I could be persuaded on Snowden...

 

[GOPerfect]

I am a no on both of them....

 

[masterswimmer]

I am a no on both of them....

Why? You've been an incredible patriotic proponent of exposing the wrongdoings of our elected officials. Hanging them out for all to see. Letting the good of Americans come before the wanton, selfish, corrupt and treasonous criminal offenses they've perpetrated on the citizens of this great country.

Are you against their pardons because they beat you to the punch? Come on now, these guys might have seemed self serving to everyone when they did what they did, but knowing what we know now they just knew more than we did at that time. They were the first to start calling them out.

 

[GOPerfect]

Why? You've been an incredible patriotic proponent of exposing the wrongdoings of our elected officials. Hanging them out for all to see. Letting the good of Americans come before the wanton, selfish, corrupt and treasonous criminal offenses they've perpetrated on the citizens of this great country.

Are you against their pardons because they beat you to the punch? Come on now, these guys might have seemed self serving to everyone when they did what they did, but knowing what we know now they just knew more than we did at that time. They were the first to start calling them out.

I need a couple of minutes to put my thoughts together.....

 

[GOPerfect]

Why? You've been an incredible patriotic proponent of exposing the wrongdoings of our elected officials. Hanging them out for all to see. Letting the good of Americans come before the wanton, selfish, corrupt and treasonous criminal offenses they've perpetrated on the citizens of this great country.

Are you against their pardons because they beat you to the punch? Come on now, these guys might have seemed self serving to everyone when they did what they did, but knowing what we know now they just knew more than we did at that time. They were the first to start calling them out.

First, Snowden...

He gave away secrets that were not his to give away. He was entrusted with some high level items and tasks. He downloaded and copied nearly 1.5 million files. He had no idea what was on some of those documents. A very large amount of data that he downloaded and gave out were in regards to and related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures. I do not like when people fuck with Soldiers and service members doing a difficult job. We may never know, but I wounder how many young men and women in our Armed Forces were put in grave danger due to the release of these stolen documents.

This is the start of my ramblings. I am very tired, I need sleep.

 

[FRB]

I agree with GOPerfect, no on Snowden - he went too far!

 

[SomeSoldier]

Hillary not in prision for same crime, so yes.

 

[spat]

I have to admit I was not pleased at the time they were “whistle blowers” and regarded exposing state secrets, assets and such as a detriment to this country’s safety. Fast forward to current times and knowing intelligence programs were used to spy on citizens, a presidential campaign, election rigging and god only knows what else I think they were trying to do the right thing. I say pardon both.

They are enemies of the deep state, not America.

 

[spat]

First, Snowden...

He gave away secrets that were not his to give away. He was entrusted with some high level items and tasks. He downloaded and copied nearly 1.5 million files. He had no idea what was on some of those documents. A very large amount of data that he downloaded and gave out were in regards to and related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures. I do not like when people fuck with Soldiers and service members doing a difficult job. We may never know, but I wounder how many young men and women in our Armed Forces were put in grave danger due to the release of these stolen documents.

This is the start of my ramblings. I am very tired, I need sleep.

Collateral damage in the war on the deep state.

 

[Robin]

Yes, but with conditions. They both must sing like the fat lady at the end of the opera, long and loud. Any lies, back in the hoosegow. The only problem with that scenario is, who would depose them, the FBI, some congressional committee? Every governmental agency has been caught lying, lying to the American people, to other government agencies, aided and abetted by main stream media in their lies. Good job CIA.
Robin

 

[DoOver]

 

[SomeSoldier]

Yes, but with conditions. They both must sing like the fat lady at the end of the opera, long and loud. Any lies, back in the hoosegow. The only problem with that scenario is, who would depose them, the FBI, some congressional committee? Every governmental agency has been caught lying, lying to the American people, to other government agencies, aided and abetted by main stream media in their lies. Good job CIA.
Robin

Burn it to the ground.

 

[tirwin1]

Burn it to the ground.

And then salt the earth.

 

[spat]

First, Snowden...

He gave away secrets that were not his to give away. He was entrusted with some high level items and tasks. He downloaded and copied nearly 1.5 million files. He had no idea what was on some of those documents. A very large amount of data that he downloaded and gave out were in regards to and related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques and procedures. I do not like when people fuck with Soldiers and service members doing a difficult job. We may never know, but I wounder how many young men and women in our Armed Forces were put in grave danger due to the release of these stolen documents.

This is the start of my ramblings. I am very tired, I need sleep.

You are making the mistake of misidentifying our enemies.

The true enemy of the American people these days is the deep state, not the foreign actors.

He was on our side, and the people trying to silence him are our enemies.

The other side of the danger to the troops is how many were saved because they were never sent into harms way due to the secrets he exposed

 

[tirwin1]

You are making the mistake of misidentifying our enemies.

The true enemy of the American people these days is the deep state, not the foreign actors.

He was on our side, and the people trying to silence him are our enemies.

The other side of the danger to the troops is how many were saved because they were never sent into harms way due to the secrets he exposed

It is amazing how much my attitude has changed over the past 6 years. I originally thought the worst of both assange and Snowden. Assange I thought was just another America hating leftist hypocrite. I believed if he any integrity he would reveal secrets from Russia/china and not just the US. And I was really pissed about Snowden. I thought he was a naive fool at best or a traitor at worst and actually didn't care if we somehow assassinated him. But the deep state conspiracy against Trump really opened my eyes.

Make no mistake the Russian and Chinese governments are cynical and brutal dictatorships. They will ruthlessly eliminate any domestic threat and have no qualms about interfering in their neighbors to their own advantage.

But the sad fact is the deep state operations of our country are objectively evil. Our humint resources may be feeble but our sysint systems are something the dictatorships of those two countries can only fantasize about. 70 years after world war 2 there is very little reason for us to have military bases all around the world. When you combine our spying technology with AI algorithms it is not a stretch to say the US intelligence "community" is one of the biggest threats to peace in the world.

So I am in favor of pardons for both and wish they would spill every goddam secret they have against the deep state. I want the evil exposed so we can eradicate it once and for all. I have no doubt there will be collateral damage in terms of information that would only aid our enemies but I am past the point of worrying about that. The American people face an existential threat from their own government and something radical needs to happen to change the course we are on.

 

[Jmac00]

yes to both,

BUT

as long as Pelosi, Schumer, schitt, ~~~and the rest of the anti-American assholes get arrested for treason

 

[masterswimmer]

You are making the mistake of misidentifying our enemies.

The true enemy of the American people these days is the deep state, not the foreign actors.

He was on our side, and the people trying to silence him are our enemies.

The other side of the danger to the troops is how many were saved because they were never sent into harms way due to the secrets he exposed

Absolutely. My eyes have also been opened in the last 5-6 years.

No question about it, China and Russia are our enemies beyond our borders (and those borders are very questionable too. I'm quite sure their presence within our country is vast).

The deep state is our enemy within our borders. The scary part is, the deep state is so corrupt, so devious, so incredibly narcissistic, they aren't recognized as our enemy because the voters not only believe their lies and deceit, but the people can't accept that those they voted into office would be so evil. The deep state is accepted by probably 50% of the American people because they're so naive they don't even know they're the enemy.

We must remember, just because the deep state is comprised of American politicians and business men, women, and 'its', and the outside our border enemies are more obvious, that doesn't make the two types of enemies mutually exclusive. Both types of enemies can bring down this country. The deep state does it subversively, where the citizens are in denial about it happening.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Yes to both, for me.

However, I hope both of them have a truly epic deadman switch, because they are quite literally dead men walking. You can’t tell me there isn’t a crosshair on either of their skulls any time they’re not under a roof.

 

[Paxal]

I have to admit I was not pleased at the time they were “whistle blowers” and regarded exposing state secrets, assets and such as a detriment to this country’s safety. Fast forward to current times and knowing intelligence programs were used to spy on citizens, a presidential campaign, election rigging and god only knows what else I think they were trying to do the right thing. I say pardon both.

YES!

 

[DoOver]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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Which is why the deep state tried so hard to constantly slander and discredit him. He's a political outsider. He wasn't beholden to special interests and blackmail. They couldn't control him and they knew it so they set out to destroy and discredit.



I've evolved my positions on both asange and Snowden. They tried to warn us how bad things really were. Their methods could have been better or wiser but my views on them have changed the older I get and the more jaded I become

 

[Dr. Evil]

Julian Assange suffered stroke during High Court appeal for extradition

Assange’s fiancée Stella Moris warned, “Look at animals trapped in cages in a zoo. It cuts their life short. That’s what's happening to Julian.”

www.wsws.org

 

[DoOver]

Julian Assange suffered stroke during High Court appeal for extradition

Assange’s fiancée Stella Moris warned, “Look at animals trapped in cages in a zoo. It cuts their life short. That’s what's happening to Julian.”

www.wsws.org

What is the chance Assange has been forced to be fully jabbed??

 

[DoOver]

UK Supreme Court has ruled Julian Assange can appeal his extraction order.

 

[gingerbread_mag]

I've always wanted a pardon for Snowden and thought Obama was a real asshole for digging in his heels about it.

Assange... I don't know enough about wikileaks. What I do know, or hear, rather, is not flattering. Snowden's motives were transparent and obviously rooted in our collective interest. Assange seems like he has many political leanings that might influence what he targets, what he reveals, and who he reveals it to.

Snowden was a sort of chaotic good archetype, whereas Assange appears more negatively aligned. But as I said, all I have on assange is hearsay.

 

[DoOver]

 

[RedBreast21]

I would make both CZAR's over the NSA, FBI, CIA, DOD, IRS, DOJ with full authority to fire everyone instantly. Let them rebuild all of them. lol