What is your timeframe for expected full out SHTF

[holdover]

If the shtf , there's going to be food shortages. And if there's is anything that motivates people to violence its hunger. It also motivate them to accept anything the government says in exchange for food. Millions out of work dependent on unemployment that doesn't come, EBT cards empty. Then there's Bill Gates buying up huge tracts of farmland hand over fist, The guy is a computer nerd knows nothing about farming and it looks to me like he is frontrunning a food shortage. then there's the military presence in DC , protecting the white house from tens of thousands of KKK members just waiting to attack a fortified position.

My position in the city is untenable against a group of zombies. I cant win or survive here. I couldn't get 10 men together on my street. All old ladys ,old men, zombies, People that would not use a gun to protect them selves. Id have to beat feet to a secondary position , maybe on foot.

 

[spat]

If the shtf , there's going to be food shortages. And if there's is anything that motivates people to violence its hunger. It also motivate them to accept anything the government says in exchange for food. Millions out of work dependent on unemployment that doesn't come, EBT cards empty. Then there's Bill Gates buying up huge tracts of farmland hand over fist, The guy is a computer nerd knows nothing about farming and it looks to me like he is frontrunning a food shortage. then there's the military presence in DC , protecting the white house from tens of thousands of KKK members just waiting to attack a fortified position.

My position in the city is untenable against a group of zombies. I cant win or survive here. I couldn't get 10 men together on my street. All old ladys ,old men, zombies, People that would not use a gun to protect them selves. Id have to beat feet to a secondary position , maybe on foot.

The time to bug out is *before* the disaster becomes widely known.

My plan is to bug out in the next few weeks

 

[meketrefe]

March to Dec. 2020

 

[Steal2B]

The time to bug out is *before* the disaster becomes widely known.

My plan is to bug out in the next few weeks

 

[Celt]

They won't do it with troops. They'll do it through technological and economic controls. You'll still be an American. There will still be false political figures that continue to do nothing that get voted into power. However...

• Banks backed by Chinese investors won't allow you to have an account or credit card if you speak out
• You won't be able to buy goods from Chinese owned businesses
• Jobs won't hire you cause you're on a anti-Chinese blacklist

Think about it. They don't need troops. They just need control measures via private industry to control us.

We've already seen this happen to some degree with some games on the Steam store that have been pressured to take their games down because they were critical of the Chinese government. They're already applying pressure.

Devotion (video game) - Wikipedia

That is why you don't do fair businesses with dictators, because they don't do fair business, period. Ties have to be broken with China. Sooner than later.

This is exactly whats happening and its growing stronger every day. After 4 years of the Xiden administration the world will be unrecognizable to anyone that values traditional american values.

 

[tirwin1]

Based on @GOPerfect posts in the “what did you get today thread” very soon. But in all seriousness SHTF is probably closer than we think. I’d say before the next presidential election.

I'm not sure we're going to get through the coming summer. I expect more riots with a blm friendly administration. I also expect aggressive prosecution for anyone that tries to protect their homes or families, especially with a firearm. Urban DA's are salivating over the opportunity to put the screws to gun owners in order to send a message.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'm not sure we're going to get through the coming summer. I expect more riots with a blm friendly administration. I also expect aggressive prosecution for anyone that tries to protect their homes or families, especially with a firearm. Urban DA's are salivating over the opportunity to put the screws to gun owners in order to send a message.

In dem controlled states or cities possibly. Not everywhere though.

 

[Robin]

What the Dem's, er, commie fucks have done to the SHTF clock.

Robin

 

[Jmac00]

our problem is GOOGLE, and their predictive algorithms. GOOGLE, and therefore the government, will be able to predict every move you make. they know what you buy, they know where you shop, they know what porn sites you go to, they know where you travel to, they know everything about you, and guess who stores all info? GOOGLE!

INFORMATION is the key to the future, it is the currency that will drive everything.

UNLESS you "go dark" today. stop using the computer, throw your cell phone away, and pay cash for everything. Otherwise Mother One World order will find you and bring you back into the fold.

"going dark" is a lot tougher than you think, but good luck with that.

 

[spat]

our problem is GOOGLE, and their predictive algorithms. GOOGLE, and therefore the government, will be able to predict every move you make. they know what you buy, they know where you shop, they know what porn sites you go to, they know where you travel to, they know everything about you, and guess who stores all info? GOOGLE!

INFORMATION is the key to the future, it is the currency that will drive everything.

UNLESS you "go dark" today. stop using the computer, throw your cell phone away, and pay cash for everything. Otherwise Mother One World order will find you and bring you back into the fold.

"going dark" is a lot tougher than you think, but good luck with that.

Going dark would probably put you at the top of their bad guy list.

Just saying.

 

[Jmac00]

Going dark would probably put you at the top of their bad guy list.

Just saying.

probably, it would also make you very hard to find

 

[CaseHardened]

All of it.

And a good plan to deal with running out.

Anyone who thinks they can prep their way *through* what's coming is wrong.

All you can do is prep yourself a headstart.

Many Jews hid from the Nazis in Europe.

Anne Frank and her family were arrested, in Amsterdam, on August 4th, 1944.

The Allies over-ran Antwerp on September 4th 1944.

The two cities are both coastal, approximately 100 miles apart.

So close, yet so far away.

I wonder if any Jews who hid were ultimately successful ?

And I wonder who will save us ?

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Many Jews hid from the Nazis in Europe.

Anne Frank and her family were arrested, in Amsterdam, on August 4th, 1944.

The Allies over-ran Antwerp on September 4th 1944.

The two cities are both coastal, approximately 100 miles apart.

So close, yet so far away.

I wonder if any Jews who hid were ultimately successful ?

And I wonder who will save us ?

I had dinner with a guy who was grew up with her and was hiding nearby. He told she got ratted out because before they went into hiding she had been the biggest tattletale. He had no sympathy for her.

 

[CaseHardened]

I had dinner with a guy who was grew up with her and was hiding nearby. He told she got ratted out because before they went into hiding she had been the biggest tattletale. He had no sympathy for her.

Not disputing this; I simply know nothing about it.

But I can prove the organization which allegedly honors her legacy is a disgrace.

Here's Why A Nonprofit Named For Anne Frank Keeps Attacking Trump

 

[spat]

Many Jews hid from the Nazis in Europe.

Anne Frank and her family were arrested, in Amsterdam, on August 4th, 1944.

The Allies over-ran Antwerp on September 4th 1944.

The two cities are both coastal, approximately 100 miles apart.

So close, yet so far away.

I wonder if any Jews who hid were ultimately successful ?

And I wonder who will save us ?

There will be nobody to save us. There are no allies waiting across the ocean to push back what's coming for us.

We are the last bastion of freedom, if we fall it *will* be the end.

 

[CaseHardened]

There will be nobody to save us. There are no allies waiting across the ocean to push back what's coming for us.

We are the last bastion of freedom, if we fall it *will* be the end.

Technically there was no one to save the Jews.

The St. Louis ocean liner incident proved Roosevelt did not give a shit about them.

Their salvation was purely incidental.

 

[spat]

Technically there was no one to save the Jews.

The St. Louis ocean liner incident proved Roosevelt did not give a shit about them.

Their salvation was purely incidental.

Our interests aligned with theirs. We both had our reasons for getting rid of the Nazi's.

Now, all the world powers are aligned to get rid of *us*.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

And I wonder who will save us ?

No one.

If free America falls so does free western civilization.

We used to be the knight in shining armor who saved others. No one will save us besides ourselves.

To quote Sarah Connor "our fate is what we make".

It's on us and only us. How we go, so goes western civilization.

If america civilians lose, the globalists one world types will win there will be nothing stopping them.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Our interests aligned with theirs. We both had our reasons for getting rid of the Nazi's.

Now, all the world powers are aligned to get rid of *us*.

Ironically this is one of the reasons I "want" to "think" that Russia should be on our side. It seems like they are the one other nation in the entire world that has the power to do something about the one world globalists.

Russia at least to me doesn't seem to be down with the globalists.

Obviously therefore it makes perfect sense the globalists are trying to get Russia And us to be enemies. They don't want us cooperating.

 

[CaseHardened]

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Ironically this is one of the reasons I "want" to "think" that Russia should be on our side. It seems like they are the one other nation in the entire world that has the power to do something about the one world globalists.

Russia at least to me doesn't seem to be down with the globalists.

Obviously therefore it makes perfect sense the globalists are trying to get Russia And us to be enemies. They don't want us cooperating.

I can think of only five countries that have any repect for Western Culture - and not one is ideal, by any means.

Poland
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Australia
Russia

Of them all, despite their clear anti-gun agenda, I'd take Australia.

But they would never take me.

 

[CaseHardened]

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I can think of only five countries that have any repect for Western Culture - and not one is ideal, by any means.

Poland
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Australia
Russia

Of them all, despite their clear anti-gun agenda, I'd take Australia.

But they would never take me.

Australia is very difficult to legally immigrate into.

Ironically, so is the USA.

The difference is, one of these two countries follows their laws.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

i


I can think of only five countries that have any repect for Western Culture - and not one is ideal, by any means.

Poland
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Australia
Russia

Of them all, despite their clear anti-gun agenda, I'd take Australia.

But they would never take me.

I agree with this.

As a side note, perhaps it's of interest the majority of the countries I feel are most anti-globaliat (as in western civilizations last best chances) were formally communist states.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm not sure we're going to get through the coming summer. I expect more riots with a blm friendly administration. I also expect aggressive prosecution for anyone that tries to protect their homes or families, especially with a firearm. Urban DA's are salivating over the opportunity to put the screws to gun owners in order to send a message.

Important thought. Many have forgotten about the bLM riots and the protests. It is cold, way to clod for those people to come out. Wait until spring and summer. These uprisings are going to be huge.

 

[spat]

I agree with this.

As a side note, perhaps it's of interest the majority of the countries I feel are most anti-globaliat (as in western civilizations last best chances) were formally communist states.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

They had the free preview.

They do not want another subscription.

 

[tc556guy]

Since the 1940's the progressives have systematically destroyed each and every value that made Americans, Americans. There are little to none left for them to destroy except money.

Other than a currency change, what would destroying money get them?
Preppers have been arguing for years that going off the gold standard already destroyed our money anyways

 

[spat]

Other than a currency change, what would destroying money get them?
Preppers have been arguing for years that going off the gold standard already destroyed our money anyways

It gets them the communism that is their final goal.

They will destroy the economy, proclaim that capitalism has failed, and then seize all property in the country.

That's pretty much "establishing communism 101". Sometimes they don't do it to everything, and they just seize some property, but it's pretty much their signature move.

 

[tc556guy]

It gets them the communism that is their final goal.

They will destroy the economy, proclaim that capitalism has failed, and then seize all property in the country.

That's pretty much "establishing communism 101". Sometimes they don't do it to everything, and they just seize some property, but it's pretty much their signature move.

Sorry, I don't see that happening.

 

[spat]

Sorry, I don't see that happening.

Neither did most people in all the other countries it's happened in.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Other than a currency change, what would destroying money get them?
Preppers have been arguing for years that going off the gold standard already destroyed our money anyways

My understanding of why our USD still matters and has value is because it's the global reserve currency and for oil trading.

We can keep printing more fiat money because it still matters to other countries.

Unfortunately if you look through history the main global currency or trade medium has a limited life expectancy and it's usually replaced by another every 50-100 years.

The BRICS nations are trying some things, china is always trying to subvert us, maybe the euro, who knows maybe Bitcoin turns into the global currency, I don't know. I do know that the USD won't be monopoly fun money forever sooner or later it will lose its value and out debt and money printing will matter. I don't know when that day will be but it feels like it's getting sooner.

 

[tc556guy]

Neither did most people in all the other countries it's happened in.

We aren't some third world banana republic. I still don't see it as a realistic possibility here.