Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Its about time someone brings the true meaning of the 2nd amendment to the supreme court and it needs to happen fast.
Civil Rights Advocates Announce U.S. Supreme Court Petition to Overturn NYS Pistol Permit System
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Ehh I bet this goes no where. I really hope it works but hope is not a method.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Anyone on this site familiar with this organization? 60 dollars isn't a lot but I hate pi$$ing money away
I doubt it will make it to the court.
If it does, I cannot see how the court could not do something.
It is absurd how from county to county things are so different.
Where im from if you can pass a federal back ground check, you get an unrestricted permit.....period.
Other counties ive heard of people with spotless records get denied.
Then of course the "restrictions" thing is even more absurd.
If it does, I cannot see how the court could not do something.
It is absurd how from county to county things are so different.
Where im from if you can pass a federal back ground check, you get an unrestricted permit.....period.
Other counties ive heard of people with spotless records get denied.
Then of course the "restrictions" thing is even more absurd.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Ill keep a good thought, but i dont have alot of hope for NY.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
The guy that runs it is a bit crazy I think but I think he’s what we need. He seems to speak his mind and well for the most part I agree with him. He’s a bit like Trump and could say things more political and probably get further. They are doing things though. I’ll probably join. Sign up for their email and you’ll get email updates periodically that tell you what they are doing. The guy who runs it is running for erie county sheriff. I also met Tresmond who I think is their lawyer. It was in a situation where he needed ID and he showed me his law license. Right on it he had listed something about legal expert in firearms or something. He’s partially blind and we talked a bit. I also met the guy who run the 1791 pac he was helping him since tresomnd is partially blind. Seemed like a good group. I could be wrong on the connection between the two groups though.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
I'm going to support it. I supported SCOPE,Nysrp, and others, but none of them had a clue. As a NY transplant, I pleaded on deaf ears about the Pistol Permit Scheme of NY. They all thought ut was normal, and done that way in all states. I even heard comments like, yeah but once you get it, it is for life. How did that work out for ya. Ill send the money that I used to send to this group,at least they see the real problem. Take away the Sullivan act and rhen petition for the burning of all past information. Buying a handgun should be no different than buying a long gun. Even the 4473 process has been bastardiized, but that is a separate thread.
Shadow rider
6.5 Creedmoor
Wasn't there a lawyer named Tresmond who was blowing smoke right after Unsafe Act passed...he was going to fight it til the end if I recall.
I have a problem with this petition in its wording!
That it wants to establish the true purpose of the 2nd amendment... That to prevent Tyranny!
Ummmm maybe that's a "part" of the purpose... But as a RIGHT I need not establish any criteria for which the RIGHT is legitimate or needed! It's there just because it is... That's it!
Like Voting! There is no purpose... You want to vote, then vote. If you don't, then ok too. You don't need a purpose in order to vote!
Have something you want to say? Then say it... It's a protected RIGHT! Do I need a permit to share my speech? Do I need to establish a purpose of what I want to say before I say it?
How about the RIGHT to not incriminate myself by withholding speech? Do I need a reason?
So... Yeah, it's nice to see someone roll up their sleeves. But like they let NYShitty off the hook. What happens when the State says they'll amend their ways, or pass a bullshit law that can be changed later... We have already seen the SCOTUS bend to the whim of the State, and not the people!
Not holding my breath here...
That it wants to establish the true purpose of the 2nd amendment... That to prevent Tyranny!
Ummmm maybe that's a "part" of the purpose... But as a RIGHT I need not establish any criteria for which the RIGHT is legitimate or needed! It's there just because it is... That's it!
Like Voting! There is no purpose... You want to vote, then vote. If you don't, then ok too. You don't need a purpose in order to vote!
Have something you want to say? Then say it... It's a protected RIGHT! Do I need a permit to share my speech? Do I need to establish a purpose of what I want to say before I say it?
How about the RIGHT to not incriminate myself by withholding speech? Do I need a reason?
So... Yeah, it's nice to see someone roll up their sleeves. But like they let NYShitty off the hook. What happens when the State says they'll amend their ways, or pass a bullshit law that can be changed later... We have already seen the SCOTUS bend to the whim of the State, and not the people!
Not holding my breath here...
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
The system sucks, begging the government for a right. But the way it is being done on a county level is far better than central planning.
Robin
Robin
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
I do not think Felano is a bad guy, but his campaign for Sheriff is ridiculous.
There's no way I'd want to be associated with the 1791 Society.
There's no way I'd want to be associated with the 1791 Society.
More money grabbing.
Whatever, each to their own.
Good thoughts for them though. That is all I can afford to give this group.
Whatever, each to their own.
Good thoughts for them though. That is all I can afford to give this group.
pshift
.338 Win Mag
2A and eliminate restrictions for what you can buy (within reason) like threaded barrels, 30 round magazines, etc.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
How about this.
"The only restriction on what you can buy is your wallet."
Oh, and you know why churches are tax exempt ? Because taxing a church would give the government too much power over them, infringing on thr 1A.
So, doesn't that mean taxing "arms" illegally infringes on the 2A ?
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Yes..He and another got a lot of people rev'd up about negating the crap act but as usual..fell flat and not heard again on this forum or site
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Yes....but they(gov't) don't give a $hit
pshift
.338 Win Mag
A pity. Until then, all my non safe stuff goes somewhere else where I can enjoy it on a monthly basis.
Shadow rider
6.5 Creedmoor
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Same here, but I see them only about once a year (until I retire from NYS)…then...
Bone up on your Spanish amigo
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
sucks to be you folks, i have not officially left NY, but i now identify as a South Dakotan. so good luck
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
I'm guessing you mean Mexican Spanish.
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Perhaps you would not feel that way if you lived in a more oppressed county?
Shadow rider
6.5 Creedmoor
Did 4 years in high Skrool...that was only a few decades ago, what could go wrong!
Also lived in Las Cruces NM for a couple years in the late 80s.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
3 bullet points is all they got..
nothing on Right to defend ones self ..
where is having to get a knife permit comparison .. Carol Browne .. New Jersey ... Ring a Bell ..
where is .. Can the courts actually READ the 2A ... who was the the prick in the black robe that said some Rights can be restricted .. i think was in the Heller case ..
Should the State of New York be allowed to continue to blatantly violate the right to bear arms as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark decisions of District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago through its arbitrary, complex, and onerous pistol permit process?
- Is intermediate scrutiny a proper legal standard for reviewing statutes that burden the Second Amendment?
- Can courts properly evaluate Second Amendment claims without acknowledging the true purpose of the right to bear arms: to deter government tyranny in all its multifarious forms?
nothing on Right to defend ones self ..
where is having to get a knife permit comparison .. Carol Browne .. New Jersey ... Ring a Bell ..
where is .. Can the courts actually READ the 2A ... who was the the prick in the black robe that said some Rights can be restricted .. i think was in the Heller case ..
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I would feel the same way. I would work harder to oust those that would deny me my rights. That, is much easier on a local level.
Robin
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Thats a rather simplified answer as I am confident that you are well aware of the nearly zero potential for success on a County by County level.
And even if one or two Counties were successful there would remain the discontinuity between Counties.
We have been real successful in ousting the Safe Act on a State level now, haven't we!
"being done on a county level is far better than central planning."
Is this really "far better"? Or perhaps it conveys, don't rock the boat State wide and mess up what those in more 2A friendly Counties have while others have their rights infringed.
To make it worse there are people in the firearms community that will go so far as to explain why Licensing officers are justified in their actions.
All for one and one for all is how I feel on the issue.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm sorry you are having troubles Drummer. My answer is the reflection of a simple man. Perhaps a review of the statutes as they exist would enlighten the judges in these counties as to just how far they are legally entitled to go.
Central planning and the abuse that follows is the root of it as it stands right now.
Robin
Central planning and the abuse that follows is the root of it as it stands right now.
Robin