Virginia cops pepper-sprayed Black and Latino Army officer who had hands raised during traffic stop, video shows

[GOPerfect]

The contradictory commands probably didn't inspire confidence in not getting shot.

#1-Hands out of the car!
#2-Shut off the car!
#3-Get out of the car!
#4-Take off your seatbelt!

You can't do #'s 2, 3 & 4 while you're doing #1

Too often, officers do this. Too many conflicting commands....

 

[holdover]

Maybe so. but it doesnt make things any better by refusing to follow orders. Those other cops showing up may not have known what was taking place when they pulled up and assumed the worst, and followed the lead of the first crazy officer. Dont know what he was thinking .

The point I was making, was that you should not resist . This guy was 2 lbs of pressure away from being killed. For what? to prove he was right?
How many people are killed by police when they could have just did as they were told? The way I see it , your putting your life on the line for stupidity. If the cops are wrong get a lawyer and enjoy your check.

 

[Toecutter]

I saw another video the cops jumped out of the car guns drawn screaming. They escalated the situation. The older cop is no longer a police officer. Again no one is showing video as soon as the cops hit the lights .

Things can change as evidence comes out look at the Chauvin case. A lot of opinions changed since that initial video came out.

 

[libertysnake]

The entire body cam footage was shown do you still feel the same way?

The driver could have complied more than he did, but the way he was acting did not deserve the treatment that he received. If the cops were is scared as they were acting they should find a new job.

Agreed. If you can't hold your shit together in a tense situation, that's a problem.

Once again, some context here could be missing -- so I'm not going to form an absolute opinion here just yet.

 

[Modean]

Yeah, I agree the felony stop was unnecessary as far as the present information goes. It did not need to get to that point. But right or wrong, not complying can get you killed fast. Your one wrong move from being killed. then they can write on your headstone here lies Deshawn, he was right.

Thing is, in almost every instance of police wrongdoing , you have a non compliant asshole who wont listen.

Lets assume the police are wrong, It does no good to be stubborn .

I’ll agree the LT. was non-compliant, and his evening would likely have been better if he obeyed commands, but officer you will respect my authoriti was way over the top in his approach too. I don’t think I’d have been too keen on stepping out of the car on the orders of 2 screaming psychos either. And the fact that they felt the need to threaten him to let it go seals it for me. They knew they were in the wrong.

 

[Darth]

I saw an asshole who refused every request the officer made. He's not there to debate an issue thats for the courts, He's trying to do his job against a non compliant asshole . why didnt he get out of the car? when asked to do so 5 times? How many times does the cop have to ask him? Get on the ground means get on the fucking ground . Its not time to have a fucking discussion .I dont care if your the son of God, you get out of the car and put your hands up .Police have a legal right to use to use force against non compliant idiots .There's a long legal precedent of people getting thier asses beat because they ""didn't do anything wrong"" so they are not going to follow orders of the police. I have no sympathy for this guy whatsoever.

If you want to play that game, citizens have a "legal right" to use deadly physical force to prevent the commission of an armed robbery, as was happening here.

Not sure that road is one that should be gone down.

 

[holdover]

If you want to play that game, citizens have a "legal right" to use deadly physical force to prevent the commission of an armed robbery, as was happening here.

Not sure that road is one that should be gone down.

Not sure of the armed robbery reference, but try out your theory in court and see how that works out .

 

[Darth]

Not sure of the armed robbery reference, but try out your theory in court and see how that works out .

Well, we can see how well your hypothesis is working out...

 

[spat]

I saw an asshole who refused every request the officer made. He's not there to debate an issue thats for the courts, He's trying to do his job against a non compliant asshole . why didnt he get out of the car? when asked to do so 5 times? How many times does the cop have to ask him? Get on the ground means get on the fucking ground . Its not time to have a fucking discussion .I dont care if your the son of God, you get out of the car and put your hands up .Police have a legal right to use to use force against non compliant idiots .There's a long legal precedent of people getting thier asses beat because they ""didn't do anything wrong"" so they are not going to follow orders of the police. I have no sympathy for this guy whatsoever.

Because officers like this order people to get out of the car, then shoot them when they try to unbuckle their seatbelt.

This guy probably heard of Philando Castile and didn't want to be the next one.

The fact that he's still alive, and officer "respect my authoriteee" is unemployed tells me the Lt made the right call there.

So, maybe not complying was the smarter choice, and Philando was the dumb one for following the orders.

 

[holdover]

I’ll agree the LT. was non-compliant, and his evening would likely have been better if he obeyed commands, but officer you will respect my authoriti was way over the top in his approach too. I don’t think I’d have been too keen on stepping out of the car on the orders of 2 screaming psychos either. And the fact that they felt the need to threaten him to let it go seals it for me. They knew they were in the wrong.

It doesnt matter if the cops are right or wrong. Your putting yourself in a life or death situation when you refuse to comply. A man is pointing a weapon at your head ,One wrong move and they will ice you. Guilty or innocent . That's the reality of the situation.

 

[holdover]

Because officers like this order people to get out of the car, then shoot them when they try to unbuckle their seatbelt.

This guy probably heard of Philando Castile and didn't want to be the next one.

The fact that he's still alive, and officer "respect my authoriteee" is unemployed tells me the Lt made the right call there.

So, maybe not complying was the smarter choice, and Philando was the dumb one for following the orders.

NO.

 

[holdover]

Well, we can see how well your hypothesis is working out...

Noooooooo, my thesis is to follow orders.

 

[spat]

It doesnt matter if the cops are right or wrong. Your putting yourself in a life or death situation when you refuse to comply. A man is pointing a weapon at your head ,One wrong move and they will ice you. Guilty or innocent . That's the reality of the situation.

When you are given conflicting orders, which ones do you follow ?

When you are ordered to get out, *and* ordered to keep your hands where they can see them, you can't do both.

Which one is more likely to get you shot by disobeying ?

I would have kept my hands up too.

 

[Darth]

Noooooooo, my thesis is to follow orders.

Yes, we get that, all the way to get in the boxcar. You shall be richly rewarded.

For those of us that live in the real world, we're done with this crap.

 

[spat]

Noooooooo, my thesis is to follow orders.

Which orders ?

Keep your hands up, or get out of the car ?

 

[holdover]

How about saying OK, Im getting out ? then slowly get out? not What did I do? can you please explain why you are doing this?

 

[holdover]

Which orders ?

Keep your hands up, or get out of the car ?

Come on man, while keeping your hands up you tell them OK IM getting out . then do as your told.

 

[spat]

How about saying OK, Im getting out ? then slowly get out? not What did I do? can you please explain why you are doing this?

And he gets shot when he tries to unbuckle the seat belt like Philando did.

No thanks.

 

[spat]

Come on man, while keeping your hands up you tell them OK IM getting out . then do as your told.

How do you unbuckle a seat belt with your hands up ?

 

[holdover]

Yes, we get that, all the way to get in the boxcar. You shall be richly rewarded.

For those of us that live in the real world, we're done with this crap.

You will never make it to the boxcar if you try killing three cops and useing robbery as a defense. real world? LOL, try that in the real world see how it works out for you.

 

[holdover]

How do you unbuckle a seat belt with your hands up ?

nope. but your being completely unrealistic. if he did as the first officer ordered and got the fuck out when he was asked to he would have been much better off.

 

[spat]

nope. but your being completely unrealistic.

You're saying to get out of a car youre buckled into while keeping your hands in the air and *I'm* the one being unrealistic ?

If we can't conduct traffic stops without threatening to kill people for not following impossible orders, maybe the left are correct about modern policing.

 

[holdover]

You're saying to get out of a car youre buckled into while keeping your hands in the air and *I'm* the one being unrealistic ?

If we can't conduct traffic stops without threatening to kill people for not following impossible orders, maybe the left are correct about modern policing.

what?? No. All it takes is a simple Ok Im getting out. Impossible orders? no not even close.

Your acting like they are trying to find a reason to kill him. its the opposite.

 

[drowhawk]

The reality is that any reasonable person believes that LEO's should act reasonably. These officers were unreasonable. Pretty much everyone here agrees on that. I have no problem following an officer's directions and sorting the details out later. The problem begins when the commands aren't clear, reasonable, or possible. It is NOT physically possible to unbuckle a seatbelt with both hands out of the window. It is not reasonable to escalate to that level of force in that particular circumstance. And because the commands being given are contradictory to each-other, they are by definition, unclear.

This is pretty much the entire argument in the Chauvin case. Was it reasonable? In my mind, there's way more reasonable doubt in Chauvin's defense than there ever would be for these officers.

 

[holdover]

The orders were contradictory , coming from three officers at the same time. But its not an impossibility to tell the cops your getting out and need to unbuckle. Unless they are intentionally trying to exacute you they will allow you to.

 

[Darth]

You will never make it to the boxcar if you try killing three cops and useing robbery as a defense.

Sounds like a win to me.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

The orders were contradictory , coming from three officers at the same time. But its not an impossibility to tell the cops your getting out and need to unbuckle. Unless they are intentionally trying to exacute you they will allow you to.

that's happened before with a black dude and the cop shot him .... thats why he didn't wanna move

 

[holdover]

Sounds like a win to me.

Your cell mates might agree with you

 

[Darth]

what?? No. All it takes is a simple Ok Im getting out. Impossible orders? no not even close.

Your acting like they are trying to find a reason to kill him. its the opposite.

No they literally are impossible. Put your hands out and shut off the engine. Not humanly possible.

 

[Darth]

Your cell mates might agree with you

The ones in the cell you avoided?