Shipping ammo

[Different Drummer]

Question on shipping ammo. I have some that I will be offering for sale and have come to realize that being willing to ship obviously opens up the market a bit.
FTF is great for several obvious reasons, but not every potential buyer lives within FTF distance of a seller.
I searched the forum and online. My understanding is that when shipping UPS ( Cannot ship USPS ) it must be less than 66 pounds, will only go ground, has some specific packaging requirements to insure it is not sliding around in the box, must have the ORMD label larger than a credit card and must be done at a UPS Hub not a UPS store.. Looks doable excepting the cost of course.
Where my question arises is I read on what I believe was a UPS site that it had to be by "contract only". As a private individual I do not have a standing contract with UPS. Looking for comments.
Thanks,
DD

 

[fnfalguy]

You can ship ammo as an individual. Done it plenty of times. Cannot use a UPS store though, and don’t lie regarding what’s in the box. not suggesting you were planning on it, but figured someone might chime in with that advice. Look at their flat rate costs, I found it worked out the best for relatively small boxes.

 

[1075tech]

@cgrutt ? I know he's done some with UPS or FedEx

 

[Tisto]

The rules on ammunition have recently been changed. ORM-D stickers no longer apply. You need to contact UPS directly to get full and correct information. The UPS STORE locations are franchises and many will not ship ammunition, nor will they give you reliable information on how to proceed.

 

[cgrutt]

L, you can ship UPS but has to go directly to UPS service center. Has to ship UPS ground to US continental address don't believe you can ship international or AL, HI etc. Certain states has to ship to FFL e.g. CA I would suggest not shiping to NYC or other anti areas. Needs small quantities haz mat label that looks like a half white half black diamond on point. Believe you are correct on weight limit and other packaging requirements. When they ask for contents state "cartridges, small arms" on system but don't write on packaging. Think that is about it never had issue. Good luck any questions shoot me a PM or call.

 

[Parzival]

Just UPS’d some .38 to my dad in FL today.

You are pretty much right but as stated the ORMD label has been replaced by the limited quantities diamond. I just draw it on the box with a sharpie but you can print and tape the label on also. There are no hazmat additional fees for ammo, just based on weight, size and how far it’s going.

My local FedEx will not ship ammo unless you are a contracted hazmat shipper. I have no issues at my UPS customer service center.

 

[Different Drummer]

You can ship ammo as an individual. Done it plenty of times. Cannot use a UPS store though, and don’t lie regarding what’s in the box. not suggesting you were planning on it, but figured someone might chime in with that advice. Look at their flat rate costs, I found it worked out the best for relatively small boxes.

Thanks for your reply. I am hoping to ship larger amounts. Ideally I would ship in the original box it was shipped in to me placed inside a slightly larger box with crumpled newspaper or similar material filling the void between the two boxes.

 

[Different Drummer]

L, you can ship UPS but has to go directly to UPS service center. Has to ship UPS ground to US continental address don't believe you can ship international or AL, HI etc. Certain states has to ship to FFL e.g. CA I would suggest not shiping to NYC or other anti areas. Needs small quantities haz mat label that looks like a half white half black diamond on point. Believe you are correct on weight limit and other packaging requirements. When they ask for contents state "ammunition, small arms" on system but don't write on packaging. Think that is about it never had issue. Good luck any questions shoot me a PM or call.

Thanks C,
Looks like the ORM-D labels I printed today are superseded by the small quantities hazard materials label you describe. I will check on-line for a place to print it out. Hopefully I can sell to a forum member and will not be having a need to ship too far away places.

 

[Tisto]

This is what you're looking for. It's 2- 1/4 " square. I would think you could buy a couple from some office supply store. Then again, I'm frequently wrong. If you want though, I'm willing to sell you a whole roll of ORM-D stickers...

 

[CaseHardened]

Shipping UPS ?

SIGNUP FOR AN ACCOUNT.

Doing so is free and will save you a fortune.

 

[CaseHardened]

You can Hand-Print ORM-D on the box.

No fancy label is needed.

 

[cgrutt]

You can Hand-Print ORM-D on the box.

No fancy label is needed.

Nope they won't take it with orm-d on box needs limited quantities sticker.

See here Shipping Ammunition: UPS - United States

 

[cgrutt]

L, it should be classified as "cartridges, small arms" I corrected my post above...

 

[CaseHardened]

Nope they won't take it with orm-d on box needs limited quantities sticker.

See here Shipping Ammunition: UPS - United States

The times they are a changin'

 

[CaseHardened]

Nope they won't take it with orm-d on box needs limited quantities sticker.

See here Shipping Ammunition: UPS - United States

Thanks for the new info.

I suppose I can simply draw a reasonable imitation on some white paper, and glue/tape it on.

Now if only I had some ammo I wished to sell....

 

[cgrutt]

Thanks for the new info.

I suppose I can simply draw a reasonable imitation on some white paper, and glue/tape it on.

Now if only I had some ammo I wished to sell....

All good they actually changed it years ago but would accept either label up until January this year. Now they won't accept it if it has ORM-D on box EVEN IF box also has the limited quantities label... ask me how I know lol...

 

[Different Drummer]

All good they actually changed it years ago but would accept either label up until January this year. Now they won't accept it if it has ORM-D on box EVEN IF box also has the limited quantities label... ask me how I know lol...

Well, that is good to know!
Another thing I just discovered when researching shipping costs. The two cartons I have weigh 42 pounds each. Size is similar but just slightly different in dimensions so that does not change anything. Both cost the same to ship. But what I found interesting is where it ships inside NYS does not seem to have a large impact on the cost. From my location to the town I grew up in just 18 miles away the cost is $36.03. Shipping from my location to two places I figured would be pretty much the furthest from me ( Buffalo and Montauk ) the cost is $37.85. Not a big difference.
That of course is if I have done everything correctly in my research, LOL.

UPS customer service told me I can print the label from "Google images". So far I have not found it to print.

 

[cgrutt]

Well, that is good to know!
Another thing I just discovered when researching shipping costs. The two cartons I have weigh 42 pounds each. Size is similar but just slightly different in dimensions so that does not change anything. Both cost the same to ship. But what I found interesting is where it ships inside NYS does not seem to have a large impact on the cost. From my location to the town I grew up in just 18 miles away the cost is $36.03. Shipping from my location to two places I figured would be pretty much the furthest from me ( Buffalo and Montauk ) the cost is $37.85. Not a big difference.
That of course is if I have done everything correctly in my research, LOL.

UPS customer service told me I can print the label from "Google images". So far I have not found it to print.

You can ship flat rate as well generally saves a ton of money over weighed per zip. Believe UPS calls it "one rate" or "simple rate" something like that. It's an option on ups site price goes by size of box small, medium etc. Calc by cubic inches (l x w x h) now here is the rub... the label prints with a standard weight 2 lbs for small, 3 lbs for medium etc and UPS rep has no way of knowing it is flat rate so they may send it back to you.... ugh. I had it happen. Now I circle the weight on label and write that it is flat rate shipping right on the label. The system doesn't allow you to enter actual weight of package when shipping with their flat rate service. It ships anywhere in 48 states for same rate $8 something for small, $10 something for medium, $16 something (I think) for large etc. Definitely go with that option much cheaper than standard rates...

 

[S&W Fan]

Well, that is good to know!
Another thing I just discovered when researching shipping costs. The two cartons I have weigh 42 pounds each. Size is similar but just slightly different in dimensions so that does not change anything. Both cost the same to ship. But what I found interesting is where it ships inside NYS does not seem to have a large impact on the cost. From my location to the town I grew up in just 18 miles away the cost is $36.03. Shipping from my location to two places I figured would be pretty much the furthest from me ( Buffalo and Montauk ) the cost is $37.85. Not a big difference.
That of course is if I have done everything correctly in my research, LOL.

UPS customer service told me I can print the label from "Google images". So far I have not found it to print.

You should be able to print them from here

241 Free Printable Limited Quantity Label – Template Printable

 

[CaseHardened]

Has anyone recently compared costs on UPS when you have an Account with them ?

Years ago I shipped a C&R Handgun, and with a UPS Account the cost was, let's say, $35. Without it would be $70.

 

[Different Drummer]

You should be able to print them from here

241 Free Printable Limited Quantity Label – Template Printable

Thanks for the link. Appreciate it.

 

[Different Drummer]

You can ship flat rate as well generally saves a ton of money over weighed per zip. Believe UPS calls it "one rate" or "simple rate" something like that. It's an option on ups site price goes by size of box small, medium etc. Calc by cubic inches (l x w x h) now here is the rub... the label prints with a standard weight 2 lbs for small, 3 lbs for medium etc and UPS rep has no way of knowing it is flat rate so they may send it back to you.... ugh. I had it happen. Now I circle the weight on label and write that it is flat rate shipping right on the label. The system doesn't allow you to enter actual weight of package when shipping with their flat rate service. It ships anywhere in 48 states for same rate $8 something for small, $10 something for medium, $16 something (I think) for large etc. Definitely go with that option much cheaper than standard rates...

You got me confused with this one. They have a flat rate of $16.00 for the largest package but they are going to let me ship 42 founds of material that normally pushes $40.00 for the $16.00 rate? Sounds too good to be true. I definitely don't want anything coming back.
Not saying you are incorrect ( I like what you are saying ). I will check it out. Thanks.
My packages are pretty small. Present cartons are 15 X 8 X 6 and 11 X 10 X 6 before I put another box around them.

 

[cgrutt]

You got me confused with this one. They have a flat rate of $16.00 for the largest package but they are going to let me ship 42 founds of material that normally pushes $40.00 for the $16.00 rate? Sounds too good to be true. I definitely don't want anything coming back.
Not saying you are incorrect ( I like what you are saying ). I will check it out. Thanks.
My packages are pretty small. Present cartons are 15 X 8 X 6 and 11 X 10 X 6 before I put another box around them.

Yep flat rate anywhere in lower 48 by size of package up to 50 lbs... I'll get more info for you tonight.


Eta try this link it's called simple rate....

Flat Rate Shipping | UPS - United States

With our flat rate shipping option - UPS Simple Rate - choose the appropriate packaging and speed and ship anywhere in the U.S. for a predictable, flat rate.

www.ups.com

 

[Different Drummer]

Thanks, Looks like it would qualify for the Large size. 651 -1050