Judge, not having any woke BS in his court room

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Because the law says , its contempt of court. There is no contempt of Walmart. when you say fuck you to a cashier, It means fuck you to the cashier.
When you say fuck you to the judge, you say fuck you to the law, to the country, and to the people of the United States . ( thats why they say the people vs) The judge represents the people. The cashier doesn't. You are not in contempt of the judge. You are in contempt of the law. People cant seem to distinguish the difference.

Outside of the court , you can say fuck you to a judge because he is just a an ordinary citizen. He cant hold you in contempt. Inside the court , He represents the the laws of the country and the people. The judge has legal authority over everyone in that courtroom , cops lawyers, witness'es defendants , complainants, everyone, So that does make the judge "special" in a round about way, due to the fact that nobody else in the courtroom can issue , fines sentencing, legal orders.

I think we can all agree "because the law says" is a terrible argument for why something is right.

"the law says" all sorts of stuff that is widely agreed to be ethically, morally, and logically wrong.

 

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Yeah you tell em. Make sure you tell that a police officer next time one pulls you over, they like it when you show them who's boss.


You were born in, subject to, the laws of this country. You will follow the law or you will suffer the penalty. real simple . Nobody cares if you like the law or not. Or if dont understand it. Pull this shit in a court and see what happens to your legal theory's.

I could say the same thing about a street gang.

Disrespect MS13 in one of their neighborhoods and it will go a lot worse for you than "pulling that shit in a court"

That doesn't make what they do right.

So, you'll need a more compelling argument than "they'll kick your ass if you don't".

 

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I think we can all agree "because the law says" is a terrible argument for why something is right.

Thats your opinion, Authority is derived from the consent of the governed. Civilization depends on the law. I dont want to live in a mad max world nor do I want to live in tyrannical world. It aint perfect but we do the best we can.

I swear, you idealists and philosophers, can never seem to imagine doing the same job your complaining about yourself. You cant seem to put yourself into someone elses shoes and understand why things are the way they are. If you never ran a kindergarten class, You shouldn't be making the rules for the teachers. especially to say ""why to they get to make the rules ?are they special ? Well, yeah, They kinda are.

So when a judge gets a bad divorce case and they are going at it in the court room, do you think it would be wise for the judge to have the ability to control his court? You guys want him to ask nicely if they would just be quiet?

How about if the police officer has to ask if the guy would please put the knife down?

The thing is, when someone is tasked by the law to do a job, How about you give them tools to do it with?

Well here's another idea, why dont you poets come up with some solutions in lieu of the law? Id like to hear it.

 

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I could say the same thing about a street gang.

Disrespect MS13 in one of their neighborhoods and it will go a lot worse for you than "pulling that shit in a court"

That doesn't make what they do right.

AHHHHHHHHHH! But the respect is still given or taken isnt it? In certain places, on either side of the law, respect is demanded, legally or not.MS13 has their own laws, break them at your own peril. Tell them you dont think their laws are fair.

 

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AHHHHHHHHHH! But the respect is still given or taken isnt it? In certain places, on either side of the law, respect is demanded, legally or not.MS13 has their own laws, break them at your own peril. Tell them you dont think their laws are fair.

I'm sorry, but I am *not* going to "respect" the laws of a group like MS13.

I might obey them out of fear in certain circumstances, but I will *never* "respect" them.

And if a period of anarchy is what it takes to get rid of their authority, then it's a price worth paying.

Your "respect the law because we need laws" attitude has led to virtually every major atrocity in human history.

"She should have sat at the back of the bus, it's the law".

"He shouldn't have harbored those escaped slaves, it's against the law".

"What were they thinking hiding those jews, that's illegal".

 

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Thats your opinion, Authority is derived from the consent of the governed. Civilization depends on the law. I dont want to live in a mad max world nor do I want to live in tyrannical world. It aint perfect but we do the best we can.

I swear, you idealists and philosophers, can never seem to imagine doing the same job your complaining about yourself. You cant seem to put yourself into someone elses shoes and understand why things are the way they are. If you never ran a kindergarten class, You shouldn't be making the rules for the teachers. especially to say ""why to they get to make the rules ?are they special ? Well, yeah, They kinda are.

So when a judge gets a bad divorce case and they are going at it in the court room, do you think it would be wise for the judge to have the ability to control his court? You guys want him to ask nicely if they would just be quiet?

How about if the police officer has to ask if the guy would please put the knife down?

The thing is, when someone is tasked by the law to do a job, How about you give them tools to do it with?

Well here's another idea, why dont you poets come up with some solutions in lieu of the law? Id like to hear it.

You want solutions ? How about this.

"the law" is an abstract concept, it is not a source of authority.

We have *way* to many laws. Get rid of 95% of them, and then people won't *need* "special tools" to enforce them.

Guy won't follow your orders to drop the knife ? Well, you don't have any special authority to order him to do anything anyway. *but* if he appears to be an immediate threat to someone, you can just shoot him. It has nothing whatsoever to with your *authority* or him following or not following orders. It's just depends on the threat he presents, whether he knows you're even there or not.

As for the judge in the courtroom, that's a pretty antiquated model anyway. Do it all over zoom, much safer and easier. Judge is the moderator and can just mute them if it's a problem.

Bonus, we can save everyone the cost of bailiffs and court reporters, since zoom can just record the whole thing, and with the belligerents not physically present, there is no need for anyone to enforce security.

Your idea that we need to cling to procedures that were built around 200 year old technology doesn't make a strong argument.

 

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Your arguments are unrealistic nonsense. According to the constitution and the law the authority is derived from the consent of the governed . its not an abstract concept its pretty frickin clear , laid out in the bill of rights.

10TH AMENDMENT:

In the United States, state police power comes from the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which gives states the rights and powers "not delegated to the United States." States are thus granted the power to establish and enforce laws protecting the welfare, safety, and health of the public.

 

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Your arguments are unrealistic nonsense. According to the constitution and the law the authority is derived from the consent of the governed . its not an abstract concept its pretty frickin clear , laid out in the bill of rights.

10TH AMENDMENT:

In the United States, state police power comes from the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which gives states the rights and powers "not delegated to the United States." States are thus granted the power to establish and enforce laws protecting the welfare, safety, and health of the public.

Consent of the governed is a joke in 2021.

Such a thing no longer exists. Hasn't in quite some some.

You yourself just suggested a few posts ago that their authority derives from their power, not anyone's consent. Does MS13 get consent for their laws ? The concept is laughable.

You're argument was "they will wreck you if you defy them". Not anything remotely to do with consent.

As for the authority granted to them under the constitution, that moral contract was predicated on the government upholding its end of the bargain. Once they started violating it wholesale, that agreement dissolved, and their authority with it.

So, all that's left is "do what they say, or they'll hurt you". Which is the exact same source of authority every criminal enterprise in history uses.

 

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I'm sorry, but I am *not* going to "respect" the laws of a group like MS13.

I might obey them out of fear in certain circumstances, but I will *never* "respect" them.

LOL its the same thing. Real power demands respect. Willingly or not. If you do what they say out of fear, Your acknowledging respect for what they can do . If they tell you to never walk on thier side of the street because its thiers and they will beat or kill you if you dont , your respecting thier wishes out of fear. Respect is the action, fear is the motivation.

But If I were you, I would explain to them why they dont deserve your respect because they are scumbags the same way you would tell a judge or cop


In every instance, judge, cop, gangs,mafia, your boss ,failure to respect the power they actually have is going to to have very bad consequences. Good guys or bad guys .

I dont know what else to say, Sometimes respect is earned sometimes its demanded, in any case, failure to acknowledge it doesn't change the outcome

 

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LOL its the same thing. Real power demands respect. Willingly or not. If you do what they say out of fear, Your acknowledging respect for what they can do . If they tell you to never walk on thier side of the street because its thiers and they will beat or kill you if you dont , your respecting thier wishes out of fear. Respect is the action, fear is the motivation.

But If I were you, I would explain to them why they dont deserve your respect because they are scumbags the same way you would tell a judge or cop


In every instance, judge, cop, gangs,mafia, your boss ,failure to respect the power they actually have is going to to have very bad consequences. Good guys or bad guys .

I dont know what else to say, Sometimes respect is earned sometimes its demanded, in any case, failure to acknowledge it doesn't change the outcome

I think you are confused about the difference between respect and obedience.

They are not the same thing.

You might obey the mugger and give him your wallet. That does not mean you have any respect for him.

Also, respecting the power he has is not the same thing as respecting him.

Be careful or you may find yourself "respecting" some BLM thugs. If you don't you might find your self "respecting" one of them in the prison shower.

 

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LOL its the same thing. Real power demands respect. Willingly or not. If you do what they say out of fear, Your acknowledging respect for what they can do . If they tell you to never walk on thier side of the street because its thiers and they will beat or kill you if you dont , your respecting thier wishes out of fear. Respect is the action, fear is the motivation.

But If I were you, I would explain to them why they dont deserve your respect because they are scumbags the same way you would tell a judge or cop


In every instance, judge, cop, gangs,mafia, your boss ,failure to respect the power they actually have is going to to have very bad consequences. Good guys or bad guys .

I dont know what else to say, Sometimes respect is earned sometimes its demanded, in any case, failure to acknowledge it doesn't change the outcome

Also, I don't owe anyone an explanation for why I don’t respect them. If they can't figure it out, that's their problem.


The difference is very simple. If you respect someone or some rule, you will follow them even when they're not paying attention.

If you merely obey, then anytime you think you aren’t being noticed you will ignore them.

Many people respect the rules of firearms safety. They will keep their finger off the trigger regardless of who's watching.

Many of those same people have no respect for the SAFE act, and while they might not bring their full size mags to the public range, they have no moral qualms about keeping them in a box in the closet at home.


You can rule via respect or rule via fear. But when most of the people only follow most of your rules out of fear, then you are a tyrant.

We all know what tyrants deserve.