Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I didn’t watch. I’m sitting with my wife and I don’t want to hear her on this. I’ll watch later.
CBS news reports on why mass shooters choose AR-15’s
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S&W Fan
.475 A&M Magnum
Haha, An opinion from a credible news agency. 
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
This ought to be rich.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Pravda would be jealous
Uninformed and Compliant
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They pick AR15s because CBS News tells them to.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing more, nothing less.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So, right off the bat, this is an appeal to how effective this firearm's ammunition is against soft tissue.
That's because the round is used by the military. Civilians are allowed to be armed similar to the military because we have the right to be.
Full. Stop.
The rest of the appeal is moot -- not because I don't care that people get hurt by the round. I do. I don't want to see any mass shootings. I don't wish that pain on anyone. But having the option to be armed with that round is our right.
And for those who would say it's not our right -- who say it isn't necessary we own such firearms, and are armed -- I ask you: has recent history been one of government trustworthiness throughout the world? No? Then our rights still stand as valid.
That's because the round is used by the military. Civilians are allowed to be armed similar to the military because we have the right to be.
Full. Stop.
The rest of the appeal is moot -- not because I don't care that people get hurt by the round. I do. I don't want to see any mass shootings. I don't wish that pain on anyone. But having the option to be armed with that round is our right.
And for those who would say it's not our right -- who say it isn't necessary we own such firearms, and are armed -- I ask you: has recent history been one of government trustworthiness throughout the world? No? Then our rights still stand as valid.
GOYABEAN
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Blimey
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Didn't watch vid yet but the simple answer is because over unit of time it has the most force projection. And that is also why the military uses it.
I have no plans to watch it but we can all guess what their spin is. Mass shooters choose it because it is a military type weapon and racist, frustrated psychopathic white men (is there any other kind?) desire it to compensate for their small penis size.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Funny they say the one last at the Texas church shooting was shot 20 times with an AR-15 and died. They compare this to a 9mm. Of course the 9mm rounds were target rounds and not self defense rounds. Then amazingly a child shot 5 times with an AR-15 survived. So what is it?
I do agree the ballastIc jelly looks worse with the AR-15 but they even say it’s the most popular riffle and rarely used in crimes.
I do agree the ballastIc jelly looks worse with the AR-15 but they even say it’s the most popular riffle and rarely used in crimes.
Deplorable Me
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The #1 problem with mass shootings is unarmed victims.
Uninformed and Compliant
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Good intention, but the phrasing makes it sound like we have permission.
We aren't allowed to be armed similar to the military. The military is allowed to be armed similarly to us, from our individual right to be.
Says the same thing, but, does not allow the grabbers to beg our being "allowed".
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That and the internet with kids getting bullied 24/7 and the kids being told no physical violence. The anger just builds and builds until it explodes.
25 years ago some one made fun of me it was fuck off asshole if they kept going I punched them in the face. Now this isn’t allowed, wasn’t back then but it was accepted I guess. Now that kid can make fun of you to no end and you’re taught no physical violence. You leave school with a cell phone and social media allowing that kid to make fun of you 24/7.
Just imagine them showing the ballistic gel being hit with a varmint type bullet. A soft point, a V-Max, even a good old hollow point...then bring in the video of the REALLY impressive [ read "SCARY" ] projectiles like the Barnes X or the Barnes frangibles. Their hit piece could have had people going into apoplectic convulsions. Actually, I'm rather surprised they DIDN'T show something of the sort. Nor did they bother to mention that there are a great many cartridges that produce considerably higher velocities than the 5.56.
This was just a run-of-the-mill hit piece. No substance, just emotion and the suggested conclusion you are supposed to arrive at. If they really wanted to make things look bad, they could have done a better job.
This was just a run-of-the-mill hit piece. No substance, just emotion and the suggested conclusion you are supposed to arrive at. If they really wanted to make things look bad, they could have done a better job.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Someone please tell Seung-Hui Cho he chose the wrong firearm.
spat
.950 JDJ
12 Ga 00 buck.
Do the ballistics gel comparison there.
Make sure when you do the video the blocks are just large enough to remain intact from the .223 round.
When they splatter all over the place from the 12Ga it will be very dramatic. Not very informative, but if I have learned anything about the state of modern discourse it's that drama beats data every time.
Hopefully they don't show the black hills 77gr
I seriously want some of that but haven't been able to find it.
It's seriously awesome. It's allegedly the round the split open bin laden head
I hear what you're saying, but from the 15th floor window, the effects are not really that dramatic. The media loves to push the AR because, well, EVERYBODY has a 12 ga. They just aren't that scary. The ballistic gel in the video seemed to be just a few feet away. Maybe 10. It also wasn't covered in denim and it didn't contain bones. Still, the drama of the video wasenough to perpetuate the fear of the "military style assault rifle". Like I said though, if they wanted to make it even more dramatic, they certainly could have.
spat
.950 JDJ
12 Ga is large enough to contain a useful explosive payload.
A smooth bore with a fin stabilized round could contain a useful sized shaped charge.
The ultimate home defense round. A shaped charge that can punch right through L4 body armor, and I don’t think I need to go into what that would do to an unarmored target. It would be like detonating a hand grenade inside the assailant.
Unfortunately the licensing costs to build or possess those legally are prohibitive. But they would be spectacular.
Everyone has ARs. Most popular rifle in America.
They should scare the sheep with full size hollow point center fire ballistic gel tests
spat
.950 JDJ
My point was to make a video showing that the AR js much less deadly than the 12 ga deer gun that "everybody" has.
The goal is to demonstrate the logical failings of them targeting one over the other.
But that's not THEIR point !
spat
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Which is why I am certain *they* would not be making or promoting such a video.
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This is all just a circus being played for the stupid to absorb.
I'm not about to argue with you on that at all. What you have to remember is that CBS is playing to the people that know literally nothing about guns. They've ALL heard about an AR15, and quite probably, a good number of them could point to a picture of one. Those same people have probably not heard of an M14 ao AR10. Those terms mean nothing to them.
This is all just a circus being played for the stupid to absorb.
