NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision

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Here's what I think based upon what I've read here, elsewhere, and talking to people.

I think that the counties (except NYC -- who knows/I don't care) may drag their feet for a bit, then comply and turn anyone who has restrictions into full carry. Reason being is that folks that already demonstrated that they are upstanding citizens with pistols. So it's a lot more justifiable to give Johnny unrestricted since he's had his pistol permit for 2+ years.

What I believe will occur next is that anyone who wants to initially apply for their pistol permit (new applications), will need to go through more background checks, and they will scrutinize any little thing that might be a "red flag". If they see something out of the ordinary, they'll automatically deny it. That was what one licensing officer said.

Where I'm getting at with this, is that for those that already have restricted permits, will automatically get unrestricted. Basically meaning it's your lucky day, cause if you didn't do it X number of years ago and you want to do it now, well, good luck.
 
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Seems to me like the license scheme in its entirety is subject . We have the right to bear arms.

At the end of this long journey through the Anglo-American
history of public carry, we conclude that respondents have
not met their burden to identify an American tradition jus-
tifying the State’s proper-cause requirement. The Second
Amendment guaranteed to “all Americans” the right to bear
commonly used arms in public subject to certain reasona-
ble, well-defined restrictions. Heller, 554 U. S., at 581.
Those restrictions, for example, limited the intent for which
one could carry arms, the manner by which one carried
arms, or the exceptional circumstances under which one
could not carry arms, such as before justices of the peace
and other government officials. Apart from a few late-19th-
century outlier jurisdictions, American governments simply
have not broadly prohibited the public carry of commonly
used firearms for personal defense. Nor, subject to a few
late-in-time outliers, have American governments required
law-abiding, responsible citizens to “demonstrate a special
need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the
general community” in order to carry arms in public.
Klenosky, 75 App. Div., at 793, 428 N. Y. S. 2d, at 257.
IV
The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-
defense is not “a second-class right, subject to an entirely
different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guaran-
tees.” McDonald, 561 U. S., at 780 (plurality opinion). We
know of no other constitutional right that an individual
may exercise only after demonstrating to government offic-
ers some special need. That is not how the First Amend-
ment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free
exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment
works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the
witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second
Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-
defense.
New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Four-
teenth Amendment in that it prevents law-abiding citizens
with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right
to keep and bear arms. We therefore reverse the judgment
of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further pro-
ceedings consistent with this opinion.
It is so ordered.
 
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Interesting. Giardino is my sheriff, as well as having the unique distinction of also being a former County DA and county judge. I would hope having held all those positions he knows something about law. He is pretty pro 2A and had no problem handing out unrestricted permits while on the bench. Hes not as staunch or as vocal on 2a as our former Sheriff Lorey but I get the impression he is not a shitbag either.
I read his FB post and honestly didnt really get the same message. He said thats the direction its going, let it all settle out, give it a couple weeks and it will be a done deal. I am sure he is deflecting it away from being his decision. Horechul does have the ability and power to remove him.
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The sheriff does not work for the governor, he is elected by the voters of the county he serves. It would take a recall election to remove him, if such is allowed in that county or state. Failing that, he is there for the rest of his term and longer if re-elected. Unless, of course, he is convicted of a crime and removed that way


  1. Except in counties in the city of New York and except as authorized in section one of article nine of this constitution, registers in counties having registers shall be chosen by the electors of the respective counties once in every three years and whenever the occurring of vacancies shall require; the sheriff and the clerk of each county shall be chosen by the electors once in every three or four years as the legislature shall direct. Sheriffs shall hold no other office. They may be required by law to renew their security, from time to time; and in default of giving such new security, their offices shall be deemed vacant. The governor may remove any elective sheriff, county clerk, district attorney or register within the term for which he or she shall have been elected; but before so doing the governor shall give to such officer a copy of the charges against him or her and an opportunity of being heard in his or her defense. In each county a district attorney shall be chosen by the electors once in every three or four years as the legislature shall direct. The clerk of each county in the city of New York shall be appointed, and be subject to removal, by the appellate division of the supreme court in the judicial department in which the county is located. In addition to his or her powers and duties as clerk of the supreme court, he or she shall have power to select, draw, summon and empanel grand and petit jurors in the manner and under the conditions now or hereafter prescribed by law, and shall have such other powers and duties as shall be prescribed by the city from time to time by local law.
 
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i seen someone mention about someone from out of state file for a NY PP .. they should fking do it .. another law suit .. cuz you need to own property in NY currenty to do that .. and now .. that is not in the history and text of the 2A .. and NY doesn't acknowledge other states permits ..
 
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JackNeat said:
Big news for Rockland county…. This will likely be posted by the Rockland Pistol Clerk very soon.

The Sportman/Residence restrictions will no longer apply.
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Hopefully Westchester County will follow. We can only hope since I was going to file my amendment this week. I just might wait a wek or two until the dust settles. There is no sense in wasting gas or a stamp to exercise my right.
 
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pshift said:
Hopefully Westchester County will follow. We can only hope since I was going to file my amendment this week. I just might wait a wek or two until the dust settles. There is no sense in wasting gas or a stamp to exercise my right.
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Don't hold your breath for Westchester. You'll suffocate.

Remember, we have a communist county executive.
 
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I took my first boating course the other day on a 22 ft center cosole. I could not believe they allow people to purchase boats a drive them amongst other capable boaters, without any type of training/testing required. I was shocked at how hard it was to even get the boat into a slip or dock it. It takes great finesse!

Reminded me of the first time I shot a pistol, couldn’t get shots on target at 7 yards.

As far as I am concerned the only two part test that should be used is that of NICS and can you put shots on target at 7 yards? If you can’t put shots on target you can’t have a gun, forget all the good moral character garbage, that’s the only test they should be concerned with.
 
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NYCGuy said:
As far as I am concerned the only two part test that should be used is that of NICS and can you put shots on target at 7 yards? If you can’t put shots on target you can’t have a gun, forget all the good moral character garbage, that’s the only test they should be concerned with.
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Fuck both of those
 
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Just heard Hochul on 880 news. Bragging about how she will keep NY safe by making everywhere a sensitive area. Said she will not allow NY to become the wild Wild West. You know this is all for her November campaign. I really hope whatever laws get passed this week are slapped down real hard and real soon.
 
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maverick52 said:
Just heard Hochul on 880 news. Bragging about how she will keep NY safe by making everywhere a sensitive area. Said she will not allow NY to become the wild Wild West. You know this is all for her November campaign. I really hope whatever laws get passed this week are slapped down real hard and real soon.
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Funny part... the "Wild Wild West" was anti 2A and pro gun restrictions inside towns...

She legit would want to make it the Wild Wild West..
 
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maverick52 said:
Just heard Hochul on 880 news. Bragging about how she will keep NY safe by making everywhere a sensitive area. Said she will not allow NY to become the wild Wild West. You know this is all for her November campaign. I really hope whatever laws get passed this week are slapped down real hard and real soon.
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The cities already are! Due to criminals.

Time to get out of the way and let law-abiding citizens defend themselves.
 
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maverick52 said:
I wonder if they actually believe what they say or they know they are full of it.
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Exactly. Every time she and the left repeatedly says "keep NY safe" when all they're doing is making it harder for us to protect ourselves, I'm cringing to myself about how backwards their thought process is. They must know, on some level, that what they're saying makes no sense!

Keeping us safe would mean allowing us law abiding citizens to carry just about anywhere we go so we can defend ourselves and those around us from criminals who don't care about the law. But this is the left we're talking about. None of their shenanigan's makes any sense these days. They're all insane liberal extremist's, who seem to be obsessed with depopulation through multiple means -- whether they know it or not.
 
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maverick52 said:
I wonder if they actually believe what they say or they know they are full of it.
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LibertyWins said:
They must know, on some level, that what they're saying makes no sense!
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An overwhelming majority of politicians know the truth and that what they are spouting is bullshit. Statistics are easy to read. With few exceptions like those that think magazines are one time use or those that think an island can sink they know what they are saying are lies. Their constituents are the ones that believe what the politicians say. They are actually dumb. If not being of actual inferior intelligence then too dumb to take 2 minutes to research information.
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
An overwhelming majority of politicians know the truth and that what they are spouting is bullshit. Statistics are easy to read. With few exceptions like those that think magazines are one time use or those that think an island can sink they know what they are saying are lies.
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Bingo!

I recently had a Leftist tell me how bad "high capacity" magazines are. I said, "Oh...really?" They explained that having to change magazines makes the shooter vulnerable while reloading. I then did a little demonstration: With them 20 feet away, I pointed my finger at them and went "Bang, bang, bang." I told them that when they hear "Click," I'm empty and that is their chance to get to me and stop my "rampage." When I said, "Click," I went through the motion of dropping an empty mag, pulling a pretend magazine from my pocket, seated the magazine, racked my NY-approved-finger-gun, and then said "Bang" again after about 2 seconds (I know...a really long reload time). The Leftist had just barely processed the "click" when I was already reloaded and "shooting" again. An intellectually honest person would have learned that magazine capacity is fairly irrelevant, except when fractions of a second count and one needs to defend themselves against multiple assailants. But, this Leftist will probably just come to the conclusion that all gunz iz bad and should be banned.
 
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NYCGuy said:
As far as I am concerned the only two part test that should be used is that of NICS and can you put shots on target at 7 yards? If you can’t put shots on target you can’t have a gun, forget all the good moral character garbage, that’s the only test they should be concerned with.
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Because a woman who can only hit a target when it's laying on top of her should have a state compelled obligation to be chain raped until she bleeds to death.

You are sick, and defective.
 
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Phazer said:
Bingo!

I recently had a Leftist tell me how bad "high capacity" magazines are. I said, "Oh...really?" They explained that having to change magazines makes the shooter vulnerable while reloading. I then did a little demonstration: With them 20 feet away, I pointed my finger at them and went "Bang, bang, bang." I told them that when they hear "Click," I'm empty and that is their chance to get to me and stop my "rampage." When I said, "Click," I went through the motion of dropping an empty mag, pulling a pretend magazine from my pocket, seated the magazine, racked my NY-approved-finger-gun, and then said "Bang" again after about 2 seconds (I know...a really long reload time). The Leftist had just barely processed the "click" when I was already reloaded and "shooting" again. An intellectually honest person would have learned that magazine capacity is fairly irrelevant, except when fractions of a second count and one needs to defend themselves against multiple assailants. But, this Leftist will probably just come to the conclusion that all gunz iz bad and should be banneIts
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NYCGuy said:
I took my first boating course the other day on a 22 ft center cosole. I could not believe they allow people to purchase boats a drive them amongst other capable boaters, without any type of training/testing required. I was shocked at how hard it was to even get the boat into a slip or dock it. It takes great finesse!

Reminded me of the first time I shot a pistol, couldn’t get shots on target at 7 yards.

As far as I am concerned the only two part test that should be used is that of NICS and can you put shots on target at 7 yards? If you can’t put shots on target you can’t have a gun, forget all the good moral character garbage, that’s the only test they should be concerned with.
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SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.
 
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Phazer said:
Bingo!

I recently had a Leftist tell me how bad "high capacity" magazines are. I said, "Oh...really?" They explained that having to change magazines makes the shooter vulnerable while reloading. I then did a little demonstration: With them 20 feet away, I pointed my finger at them and went "Bang, bang, bang." I told them that when they hear "Click," I'm empty and that is their chance to get to me and stop my "rampage." When I said, "Click," I went through the motion of dropping an empty mag, pulling a pretend magazine from my pocket, seated the magazine, racked my NY-approved-finger-gun, and then said "Bang" again after about 2 seconds (I know...a really long reload time). The Leftist had just barely processed the "click" when I was already reloaded and "shooting" again. An intellectually honest person would have learned that magazine capacity is fairly irrelevant, except when fractions of a second count and one needs to defend themselves against multiple assailants. But, this Leftist will probably just come to the conclusion that all gunz iz bad and should be banned.
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Just show them this next time. It takes "high" capacity, semi automatic and closing distance off the table as an argument.

 
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