My permit, how to properly "destroy" a gun.

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Now that the title has your attention, I wonder if somebody can answer this.

Years back I built an ar pistol and had it put on my permit in Erie county as a 5.56/22lr. This was before the state police started recording records, now on top of it, the new atf guidelines are set to take place. Mine will be considered an sbr straight off the bat because of its 26.5 oal and 10.5 inch barrel. Yes I could simply take the brace off to remedy that, or install a 16" barrel.

Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to these bs rules, but I have decided to just take it off the radar completely and build a dedicated 22lr rifle. For those that don't know, a pistol can legally be converted to a rifle.

My question is how is the best way to go about taking it off my permit?
Turn in 10" barrel to SP, or sheriff? Just show them the completed new legal rifle? Can an FFL do this? I basically need a receipt stating it has been destroyed, so my serial number is off the books.
 
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Varies from county to county.

Pretty sure in Livingston you would just tell them you converted it to a rifle and would like it off your permit and be done with it. They'd probably charge you $3 and print you a new list.

I imagine some other counties would want an affidavit from 3 ATF agents and a priest attesting to it's destruction.

Personally I'd leave it though, gives you the option to switch it back if you wanted.

The permit won't record whether it has a brace or not, or the OAL, so as far as anyone is concerned it's just a legal 10" barreled pistol.
 
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spat said:
I imagine some other counties would want an affidavit from 3 ATF agents and a priest attesting to it's destruction.

Personally I'd leave it though, gives you the option to switch it back if you wanted.
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It would be nice if I could just tell them it's been converted to a rifle, somehow I doubt it'll be that easy.

You're also right about just leaving it as is and converting it, I just hate the fact that the state police now have a record of a 5.56 at my house.
 
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Jem45472 said:
It would be nice if I could just tell them it's been converted to a rifle, somehow I doubt it'll be that easy.

You're also right about just leaving it as is and converting it, I just hate the fact that the state police now have a record of a 5.56 at my house.
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If you think removing it from your permit will destroy that record....

At best it will convert it into a record that you used to have it at your house.
 
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If it's over 26", it's gtg with the brace.

According to 4999, the two prerequisites that must be met before you begin are:

1- Weigh at least 64 oz.
2- Have an overall length 12" - 26"
 
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spat said:
Depending on what day of the week it is, the ATF considers the brace a stock and that makes it an SBR.
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Well, that is true. I was just going by their own criteria. But, as we know, it's subject to change.

I'm in a similar situation. But mine is over 26" with a 12" barrel.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I would convert it to a rifle and leave it on your license. If anyone come to inspect it the thing is a rifle.
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I’m not sure I want anyone at my house to inspect my guns or my safe. I don’t trust that they would knock and ask nicely if deemed illegal. Also I’m not sure they would be ok with seeing just that firearm and would probably have a warrant for the entire safe. All my stuff is GTG, but I just wouldn’t want to deal with that BS or risk a no-knock warrant.
Call the pistol permit office and ask. Worst come to it have an FFL and sell it or consign it to them in current form and buy it back as a rifle format and submit the paperwork as it was sold.
 
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Buy a stripped lower, build a rifle from the components of said pistol and turn in the old lower to the Sheriffs pistol licensing office and have them remove it from your license???
 
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1075tech said:
If it's over 26", it's gtg with the brace.

According to 4999, the two prerequisites that must be met before you begin are:

1- Weigh at least 64 oz.
2- Have an overall length 12" - 26"
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This is incorrect. If it's over 26 you can't advance to the scoring part, as they consider it too big to use a brace correctly.
 
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nortatoga said:
Buy a stripped lower, build a rifle from the components of said pistol and turn in the old lower to the Sheriffs pistol licensing office and have them remove it from your license???
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I have another lower, I was planning on just giving mine to an FFL for free just so I can get a receipt saying it's sold, but I just hate to give up a lower for nothing lol.
 
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Jem45472 said:
I have another lower, I was planning on just giving mine to an FFL for free just so I can get a receipt saying it's sold, but I just hate to give up a lower for nothing lol.
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I can understand that, but turning it into the Sheriff it will be destroyed and that serial # will never come back to you.
 
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nortatoga said:
I can understand that, but turning it into the Sheriff it will be destroyed and that serial # will never come back to you.
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If it’s removed from his permit and transferred elsewhere it shouldn’t be able to either. Shouldn’t being the key word.
 
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Turning into a rifle doesn’t get it off the records anymore if the new “ semi auto” permit” law is in effect.
I would just leave it on the permit as is. It meets the new law BS that way.
 
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Jem45472 said:
It would be nice if I could just tell them it's been converted to a rifle, somehow I doubt it'll be that easy.

You're also right about just leaving it as is and converting it, I just hate the fact that the state police now have a record of a 5.56 at my house.
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boating accidents happen all the time :rolleyes:

I have a ton of 556/223 ammo. to me, it's currency. when the shit hits the fan, and someone needs ammo, guess whos going to be bartering for food or whatever the hell I need
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Please do. I’d like to see how it goes then maybe follow suit.
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Will do. I'm really looking forward to this build. I already have a 22 conversion, but I know I'm going to want something more accurate than that can provide in a 556 barrel. Already have everything planned, and just started ordering parts.
 
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Jem45472 said:
Will do. I'm really looking forward to this build. I already have a 22 conversion, but I know I'm going to want something more accurate than that can provide in a 556 barrel. Already have everything planned, and just started ordering parts.
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When I looked a while back I had a hard time finding a .22 AR barrel or upper. One company made one for like $600 and then Palmetto State Armory made one, but I’m not a fan of them. I’d be curious to see what uppe you go with. I have a spare lower on the way. I had no plans to build it out, but maybe I do now.
 
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Be careful and make sure you do it the right way. NY law makes it illegal to destroy or dispose of a gun. Don't fall into a trap.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
When I looked a while back I had a hard time finding a .22 AR barrel or upper. One company made one for like $600 and then Palmetto State Armory made one, but I’m not a fan of them. I’d be curious to see what uppe you go with. I have a spare lower on the way. I had no plans to build it out, but maybe I do now.
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Everything 22lr is hard to find now. I'm using a standard upper cmmg bolt with collar for a dedicated barrel, and a Beyer barrel.

Do a search for the Beyer barrel. Custom made, light, and you won't find a negative review.
 
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Glock_USA said:
Be careful and make sure you do it the right way. NY law makes it illegal to destroy or dispose of a gun. Don't fall into a trap.
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Say what?? I've disposed of a few guns no problem, strip em of useable parts and melt/cut/grind the frame in half or to dust
 
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A friend broke (or shall I say wore out) their pistol to the point where it wasn't cost effective enough to repair it.

All they did was take it apart, kept what they wanted, then got their angle grinder with a cutoff wheel and chopped it up into a couple pieces. They cut the serial number off the frame and taped it onto a piece of paper. They took a couple photos for proof. Then they threw the rest of it in the garbage. To get it off their permit, they went to the PP office and showed them the pictures and the cut off serial number and they took it off the permit no questions asked.
 
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spat said:
Depending on what day of the week it is, the ATF considers the brace a stock and that makes it an SBR.
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Like the Ruling this week where the EPA has no authority with any type of regulations so needs to happen with the ATF. Once again a Non-Elected body that needs to be put in it's place. Same holds true with the CDC. They are a NOBODY! These agencies do not make law.
 
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