Could NY colleges fail?

You could house a lot of illegals at a suny school!

Some deserve to go broke. My x-wife worked at Onondaga Community College (OCC) in Syracuse for better than 25 years. She would often mention the $waste$ by the school president and some her/his crony's, plus the pandering to the needs (wants) of certain groups of students. She is SOOO happy to be gone from there.

I’m not surprised. Look what aunt spends money on a freaking huge gaming room and DEI up the rear end. They make my son who goes to UB take the stupid don’t rape people training all the time. He has to take it monthly or something and it’s ridiculous. The cost to run that campus must be huge and so much waste.

College is so overrated anyway.

I have 2 degrees and never used them. Was successful enough without those useless pieces of paper.

Given the quality and cost of an education, you could make an argument that they've already failed.

The financial problems are just the rotting of the corpse.

I propose to you that colleges have been failing for many years.

GOPerfect said:

College is so overrated anyway.

I have 2 degrees and never used them. Was successful enough without those useless pieces of paper.

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People used to go to college for an education.

It was quite reasonably priced for what you got.

Now people go for a diploma, and they're getting ripped off.

GOPerfect said:

College is so overrated anyway.

I have 2 degrees and never used them. Was successful enough without those useless pieces of paper.

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Depends what you’re doing. You can make good money in the trades or what you did without using your degree. I need my degree for my job as does my wife. My wife is going for a new position now and if she gets it she’d get over a 50% raise. That’s not possible without her PhD. Just a rough guess though that 30% of college degrees are absolutely useless and another 30% probably never get used.

Saltwater60 said:

Depends what you’re doing. You can make good money in the trades or what you did without using your degree. I need my degree for my job as does my wife. My wife is going for a new position now and if she gets it she’d get over a 50% raise. That’s not possible without her PhD. Just a rough guess though that 30% of college degrees are absolutely useless and another 30% probably never get used.

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Not too sure I agree with all of this. I think Americans have been programmed with the propaganda that a higher degree is needed. Sure, more education and knowledge is needed for some jobs.

Years ago, a cop for example never needed a degree, now, most agencies require one. The FBI up until 1986 no degree was needed and they did fine with hiring.

Teachers up until the last 25 years, all that was needed was a certificate. Now, all kinds of degrees are needed. Hell, any one just about can be a teacher in most areas of study.

I got a buddy that has a job of importance with his company, has no degree and does a great job, has had the job for quite some time. He would not get that today due to the lack of a degree.

The words need and want are very different. Many of these jobs, there is not a need for a degree, there is a want.

Look at the military, all those very high tech jobs, positions of great leadership.... no degree needed.

Americans have soaked up all kinds of propaganda.

kev74 said:

You could house a lot of illegals at a suny school!

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Already do. An illegal alien student SUNY benefit

Above and beyond the 1500 beds the Hochul Administration has identified for dorms on 3 SUNY campuses to house migrants: Buffalo, Stony Brook and Albany.

GOPerfect said:

I think Americans have been programmed with the propaganda that a higher degree is needed.

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Not just Americans, it's also companies.

My friend is very skilled with databases and IT tech, yet is limited in what jobs he can get because almost all require, at a minimum, a Bachelors Degree. Even after 20 years of experience.

Yet I can get a job in tech easily with a biology degree.

Go figure.

GOPerfect said:

Not too sure I agree with all of this. I think Americans have been programmed with the propaganda that a higher degree is needed. Sure, more education and knowledge is needed for some jobs.

Years ago, a cop for example never needed a degree, now, most agencies require one. The FBI up until 1986 no degree was needed and they did fine with hiring.

Teachers up until the last 25 years, all that was needed was a certificate. Now, all kinds of degrees are needed. Hell, any one just about can be a teacher in most areas of study.

I got a buddy that has a job of importance with his company, has no degree and does a great job, has had the job for quite some time. He would not get that today due to the lack of a degree.

The words need and want are very different. Many of these jobs, there is not a need for a degree, there is a want.

Look at the military, all those very high tech jobs, positions of great leadership.... no degree needed.

Americans have soaked up all kinds of propaganda.

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I agree. I guess we should differentiate between needed and required. I was referring to my job and her job both require a degree. My job could mostly be all on the job training but a higher level science understanding would definitely help but my job is all in black and white written down.
My wife’s job requires a PhD and it is probably needed for her to do her job for various reasons.
You do not need a degree to be a cop but it’s required for the most part. I’d say the same with most FBI jobs but if you’re in forensics, or some cyber crimes/white collar crimes a computer degree or accounting degree would help.
The issue is there is so much BS that goes into a degree now that is not needed. Many electives and other crap. Most entry level jobs want a degree now but mostly it is not needed but required for some reason.

The policies for corporations, companies, and agencies I had worked for all seemed to have a process where, on a case by case basis, most positions could justify dropping position description college degree expectations after a hiring manager submitted a justification based on an applicants experience or qualifications that would be approved. Mandated licenses or certifications were driven by legal or regulatory requirements.

Most salary and benefit models also equated the value of undergraduate (Associates or Bachelors) or graduate degrees (Masters or Doctorate) as one year of education being equal to one year of experience.

Guy I went to school with now retired, is a millionaire. He never went to college. After high school he went to work for a plumbing company, eventually hung out his own shingle, in time he hired a couple of guys and did well.

I would prefer a high school dropout who is serious about their job. Comes to work everyday and works.

Not some yuppity college degree asshat that thinks they know it all and wants more and more and more hand outs from the employer.

Don't know if they will, but they should - cess pits of Woke Maoism.

Saltwater60 said:

Depends what you’re doing. You can make good money in the trades or what you did without using your degree. I need my degree for my job as does my wife. My wife is going for a new position now and if she gets it she’d get over a 50% raise. That’s not possible without her PhD. Just a rough guess though that 30% of college degrees are absolutely useless and another 30% probably never get used.

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What’s her PHD in ?

I say let the ivory tower burn. I love learning and bettering myself. None of that requires a college. (In fact, I'm the only person walks the gym with a book in hand.)

Professors are largely overrated and overpaid for what they can offer you that you cannot find on the pages of a book. Considering they often just recite the content of a book, I might as well go the source of the knowledge, the text, and avoid them all together.

No more gravy train for the intellectually lazy.

libertysnake said:

I say let the ivory tower burn. I love learning and bettering myself. None of that requires a college. (In fact, I'm the only person walks the gym with a book in hand.)

Professors are largely overrated and overpaid for what they can offer you that you cannot find on the pages of a book. Considering they often just recite the content of a book, I might as well go the source of the knowledge, the text, and avoid them all together.

No more gravy train for the intellectually lazy.

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Not just professor's, most educators today are over rated.

The seat of the World Communist Revolution, exists in the colleges and universities of this country...the abject communists, teach by force, if the students want good grades, to toe the communist green lbgtq line..................they teach that the end justifies the means for the OWG, and to destroy.......... as Schumer and the libs want--the total destruction of white Euro Centric, CONUS.

If the economy collapses in massive recession, after the financial bubble bursts....in China and Wall st...........you may finally come face to face with real communists,----students, BLM, Illegals, seeking shelter, food and guns from you........from those university centers in the major cities.

Che Guevara lives there..and you don't. Incrementalism by the commies always works.