California gearing up to fight Trump whithouse

ManualF150 · Mar 31, 2024

Stellantis’ CEO Remains All-In on EVs as Others Retrench... yeah, ok, we'll see how well that works out.

They dumped the high performance EcoDiesel and the HEMI V8 they had for a more polluting 6 cylinder.

And they are using an aging Pentastar V6 to power their flagship REV.

They are fucking asinine.

Stellantis is about as dumb as Biden and Newsome combined.

ManualF150 · Mar 31, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
Here’s the details on the deal. Apparently Ford and a few others made the deal too. I’m not sure why they would do this Stellantis says it made them lose work at a plant in Michigan but the law doesn’t go into effect until 2030 so sounds fishy to me.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/california-stellantis-strike-vehicle-emissions-deal-2024-03-19/#:~:text=Under%20the%20agreement%20announced%20by,state%20cannot%20enforce%20its%20rules.

Interesting, I remember reading that, but didn't quite understand all of it. Making sense now.

Defilade · Mar 31, 2024

Climate change: Made up "Boogieman" to impose Carbon taxes in order to steal from the populace......again.

96coal449 · Mar 31, 2024

I have been wanting to buy a Ram CTD in the 4th Gen variety. I have had no desire for a new version, and now carry a disdain for them. Been wanting a pre smurf piss model. Preferably 2011 or2012. 13 and up .... well lots of mods would ensue.

After loosing my 7.3l Ford, I'm longing for a diesel. The 6.0 Chevy is killing me at the pump. Living in the hills isn't helping. The Cummins 12v I had a while back makes me long for another straight 6.

They may have removed the BTU from diesel fuel, aka Sulphur, but it still gets better mileage then gasoline.

ManualF150 · Mar 31, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
Keep in mind who buys what cars. What passengers cars of theirs do people buy? I see a lot of hemi V-8 SUVs and cars. I don’t think their customer base will go for their EVs. I’d actually like to see this out then out of business.

When I think of Dodge/Chrysler/RAM, I think of muscle cars and convertibles with supercharged HEMI V8s and for trucks, dependable clean running Cummins Turbo Diesel trucks. Not EVs -- not even close.

When I think of Jeep, I think of the Jeep Wrangler or Cherokee with low-powered, but extremely durable engines, frames, and drivetrains that are easy to work on with tons of mods and a huge cult-style following. Again -- Definitely not complicated EVs.

While lounging around a family member sent me this... those guys had balls to do that, but I see their point.

In retrospect, that truck that they are demoing is not even remotely eco friendly. The MPGe must be horrific. But all people see is "electric". There's a saying for it... A jaded mind is the result of false conclusions concerning experiences. Electric is not the way forward.

Jmac00 · Mar 31, 2024

I love my little 2000 Tj, it works. Its easy to work on. All the new stuff just sucks ---- all of it.

But this communist CARB thing is easily fixed. Truckers need to stop delivering or going to California. it will take a about 7 days before Californians start losing the their collective shit without product or any kind

ManualF150 · Apr 1, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
Yep me too with what dodges sells. So now when they don’t make those who will buy what they are selling? Maybe the jeeps and SUVs will still sell but I’m not thinking many people will want their passenger cars. I don’t see many regular chargers or challengers.

The only vehicle I will consider buying from Stellantis again is the RAM 2500>5500. More so once the ZF 8 Speed comes out for the entire HD line.

At that point the RAM Heavy Duty trucks will only be a frame/body from a corrupt company, and the main components (engine/transmission/transfer case/front/rear end) are 3rd party. Totally different than a lot of Stellantis vehicles.

spat · Apr 1, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
They are scared Trump will win and roll back their communist ideologies on energy and the climate. Apparently Stellantis/dodge made a deal with Newsome and California to meet their climate goals. Looks like a dodge ram is off my list of next vehicle and screw them. Toyota is the only one that hasn’t bowed to Biden and they will get my business even though I would much prefer a V-8 truck and they only make a turbo 6.

California is preparing to defend itself — and the nation — against Trump 2.0 — POLITICO

California officials are dusting off the playbook that made them a bulwark against former President Donald Trump from 2016-2020.

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Wonder if all the guys on the CARB board realize they're going to be irrelevant once the CA EV only rule kicks in.

Suddenly nobody will bother making "California emissions", or making their vehicles they sell everywhere else more strict than they need to be.

They can't sell them in CA anyway, so there's no point.

Zerex · Apr 1, 2024

Supreme Court likely to block EPA ozone regulation - SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court on Wednesday appeared sympathetic to a group of states, companies, and trade associations seeking to temporarily block a rule issued by the Environmental Protection Agency to reduce air pollution from power plants and other industrial facilities in 23 states that do not want to adj

www.scotusblog.com

Case vs EPA today at SCOTUS.

SCOTUS has ruled vs EPA 3 other times, too.

Supreme Court curtails EPA’s authority to fight climate change - SCOTUSblog

This article was updated on June 30 at 2:48 p.m. The Supreme Court on Thursday truncated the Environmental Protection Agency’s power to regulate greenhouse gases. The ruling may hamper President Joe Biden’s plan to fight climate change and could limit the authority of federal agencies across the ex

www.scotusblog.com

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-rules-against-epa-wetlands-regulation-challenge-2023-05-25/

California's right to regulate air emissions will be ended shortly.
Hybrids are coming and EV's are abut dead.

Joe Biden reputedly screwed his own daughter in the shower and likely Hunter, too and maybe Jill participated also?..Keep it inthe fam/

Mr. terzmo · Apr 1, 2024

I wouldn’t want to drive in any foreign vehicle and nothing said can change My mind. Ford..GM..Dodge full size trucks or cars are My only consideration. Save the time and effort trying to sell foreign. I’m not “buying” it.

spat · Apr 1, 2024

Mr. terzmo said:
I wouldn’t want to drive in any foreign vehicle and nothing said can change My mind. Ford..GM..Dodge full size trucks or cars are My only consideration. Save the time and effort trying to sell foreign. I’m not “buying” it.

They're *all* foreign now.

There are Toyotas that have more American parts and labor than a lot of Fords.

There are zero new vehicles that are all American parts and labor.

And company management is no better.

FP1201 · Apr 1, 2024

ManualF150 said:
Stellantis’ CEO Remains All-In on EVs as Others Retrench... yeah, ok, we'll see how well that works out.

They dumped the high performance EcoDiesel and the HEMI V8 they had for a more polluting 6 cylinder.

And they are using an aging Pentastar V6 to power their flagship REV.

They are fucking asinine.

Stellantis is about as dumb as Biden and Newsome combined.

There isn't a Stellantis product I would even consider, even the Jeep line!
GM can suck it!
I was always a Ford fan (have two), but there overpriced Trucks and eco-boost engines are going to shit, just like that fuck up 5.4l Triton.
Can't hate on Toyota, but I imagine they have problems and issues as well, but they got to be number one for reasons.

ManualF150 · Apr 1, 2024

FP1201 said:
There isn't a Stellantis product I would even consider, even the Jeep line!
GM can suck it!
I was always a Ford fan (have two), but there overpriced Trucks and eco-boost engines are going to shit, just like that fuck up 5.4l Triton.
Can't hate on Toyota, but I imagine they have problems and issues as well, but they got to be number one for reasons.

Problem is Toyota doesn't make any new turbo diesel trucks. Or else I'd consider one.

Just like EV. I'm never going back to gasoline. I want my damn diesel!

spat · Apr 2, 2024

ManualF150 said:
Problem is Toyota doesn't make any new turbo diesel trucks. Or else I'd consider one.

Just like EV. I'm never going back to gasoline. I want my damn diesel!

OTOH, I have a 12,000lb truck with a 465cu in diesel from the 1970s that somehow only makes 135hp from the factory.

It will run on anything that burns, and last forever, just don't plan on getting anywhere fast.

Ok, and it has a warning sticker that the driver and passengers need to wear hearing protection.

Do you know how loud a vehicle needed to be for the US army to require hearing protection in the 1970s ?

Mr. terzmo · Apr 2, 2024

spat said:
They're *all* foreign now.

There are Toyotas that have more American parts and labor than a lot of Fords.

There are zero new vehicles that are all American parts and labor.

And company management is no better.

But the profits stay in America.

spat · Apr 2, 2024

Mr. terzmo said:
But the profits stay in America.

LOL, sure they do.

Mr. terzmo · Apr 2, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
I’ll bet they are investing more money overseas than they are here. Th Eleanor rate and environmental regs are killing them here. Any money invested here is going towards the EV plants to cut jobs. EV vehicles require less people to make and are more automated. I get doing it to save money but I’ll bet the cars won’t decrease in price.

A person can shop in a Made in America store and the owner buys a Samsung tv with the profit. I buy American made cars/trucks but can’t control how the profit is spent.

spat · Apr 2, 2024

Saltwater60 said:
American made isn’t so cut and dry these days. a toyota tundra is more American made than a ford f150 these days. In fords defense they say they are trying to change that.
So what you’re saying is you’ll only buy from an American car manufacturer and if that’s the case I get it 100% and can respect that. All the major manufacturers are global these days.

Given the choice, I would rather buy from a conservative foreign one than an American woke corporation.

Ideology is more important to me than geography.

Willyone · Apr 2, 2024

C'mon man... Slice and dice it any way you want but not much of anything with wheels and an engine is USA made any more. Cars, trucks, motorcycles. Bits and pieces, a percentage, is about it. USA assembled seems to be right popular for manufacturers to brag about though. Same goes for appliances and electronics. For many if not most pharmaceuticals we depend on the enemy, or so I've read. The USA has fucked itself right in the ass, and continues to do so year after year. And considering the events at our southern border government doesn't even bother to use Vaseline when they shove it up our collective asses.

oops!!.... off topic, my bad, rant going on here

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