Massachusetts town votes to become a transgender 'sanctuary city' after wild city council meeting

SonOfSun · Feb 13, 2025

libertysnake said:
I understand I'm not going to agree on this topic with most people. But any time we're classifying a whole group of people with a large brush, we should take a step back and really give some critical thought regarding this characterization -- whether that's due to their LBGTQ status, race, or some other particular reason they're being grouped that way.

There are nutjobs from all categories of people. No one here is wrong for not wanting to be around loud, obnoxious assholes. But let's not over generalize either.

It is a mental illness in almost every case. Barring the outlier cases with chromosomal or physical developmental abnormalities, if you have a penis and think you are a woman, you are objectively incorrect.

I view it the same as I would schizophrenia. They are convinced "the voices" are real, but they aren't. I don't go around telling them that, "oh yeah, the voices are real, I hear them too"! I'd tell them they should get help, something is wrong. If you support beliefs that are provably incorrect, you aren't helping them, you're harming them by enabling.

libertysnake · Feb 13, 2025

SonOfSun said:
It is a mental illness in almost every case. Barring the outlier cases with chromosomal or physical developmental abnormalities, if you have a penis and think you are a woman, you are objectively incorrect.

I view it the same as I would schizophrenia. They are convinced "the voices" are real, but they aren't. I don't go around telling them that, "oh yeah, the voices are real, I hear them too"! I'd tell them they should get help, something is wrong. If you support beliefs that are provably incorrect, you aren't helping them, you're harming them by enabling.

An illness is something that impairs your ability within society or normal functioning. Nothing about them being trans does that.

Who gives a shit what the fuck they think they are as long as they're productive members of society. It's no one's business on this forum to dictate the lives of others and intrude on the liberty of what other people do. You don't want to call them a pronoun? Fine. Just don't tell them what they have to call themselves, who they can associate with, or restrict their civil liberties just because you need to be inside of someone else's business.

I really do not understand the irrational obsession with the lives of other people on this forum.

SonOfSun · Feb 13, 2025

libertysnake said:
Who gives a shit what the fuck they think they are as long as they're productive members of society. It's no one's business on this forum to dictate the lives of others and intrude on the liberty of what other people do. You don't want to call them a pronoun? Fine. Just don't tell them what they have to call themselves, who they can associate with, or restrict their civil liberties just because you need to be inside of someone else's business.

I care when it seeps into my life. That's my point of caring. When I'm pushed and prodded to support "the message". My response is that they can go fuck themselves. When I'm told to abandon onjective fact in conversation because some random thinks they're a woman, when they aren't. It's like holding up a red piece of paper, calling it green, and insisting thay everyone else call it green too. No. I won't do it. If you want to call it green go ahead, but it's actually red and no amount of crying and whining will get me to agree that a red piece of paper is green. I will not abandon objective fact under any circumstance.

I don't care that they're wrong, I care that they push me to accept and espouse falsehood as fact.

fresch · Feb 13, 2025

libertysnake said:
An illness is something that impairs your ability within society or normal functioning. Nothing about them being trans does that.

Who gives a shit what the fuck they think they are as long as they're productive members of society. It's no one's business on this forum to dictate the lives of others and intrude on the liberty of what other people do. You don't want to call them a pronoun? Fine. Just don't tell them what they have to call themselves, who they can associate with, or restrict their civil liberties just because you need to be inside of someone else's business.

I really do not understand the irrational obsession with the lives of other people on this forum.

When a guy/girl in drag ,called trans vestite , expects to be treated as a woman/man or will bring corporate down on you it is a problem and becomes your business.
Same for the ones being proud and marching demanding normal people buy in to the nonsense, they need mental help not affirmation.
They put themselves out there, normal people don't go looking for them.

I'm done on this.

prambo · Feb 13, 2025

Dr. Evil said:
The mental illness capitol of the country. I guess these are some of the regular trans people others have talked about wanting to just go about their day lol.

Massachusetts town votes to become a transgender 'sanctuary city' after wild city council meeting

The Worcester City Council voted 9-2 in favor of a resolution that would turn make the area into a sanctuary city for transgender and gender-diverse people.

www.foxnews.com

Rocpo · Feb 13, 2025

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From google - The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the authoritative guide to the diagnosis of mental disorders. DSM contains descriptions, symptoms and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders.

Yes, it is in fact a disorder. If it weren't, it would be the norm.

And yes, I know several T individuals. One of whom was horribly abused as a child, and subsequently was hospitalized several times for other disorders (Bi-Polar, manic depressive and borderline personality disorder). Cause and effect? Maybe. Maybe not.

rushmore · Feb 13, 2025

libertysnake said:
I understand I'm not going to agree on this topic with most people. But any time we're classifying a whole group of people with a large brush, we should take a step back and really give some critical thought regarding this characterization -- whether that's due to their LBGTQ status, race, or some other particular reason they're being grouped that way.

There are nutjobs from all categories of people. No one here is wrong for not wanting to be around loud, obnoxious assholes. But let's not over generalize either.

@libertysnake, I want to thank you for your levelheaded responses to this topic that have been consistent across the forum. Your response here is well reasoned and I agree wholeheartedly.

Criticalt · Feb 14, 2025

libertysnake said:
I understand I'm not going to agree on this topic with most people. But any time we're classifying a whole group of people with a large brush, we should take a step back and really give some critical thought regarding this characterization -- whether that's due to their LBGTQ status, race, or some other particular reason they're being grouped that way.

There are nutjobs from all categories of people. No one here is wrong for not wanting to be around loud, obnoxious assholes. But let's not over generalize either.

These people are NOT representative of trans people. The VAST majority of trans people are pretty normal and not always peacocking.
In fact, most trans people don't care for these people, they give their community a bad name. These attention needing people can be seen and HEARD at any controversial meeting, protest, sit in, riot......they just want attention. These EXACT people scream at abortion rallies, anti Trump rallies, pro Palastine rallies, drag queen story hour sit-ins, anti gun rallies.......they are as much useful idiots as Anderson Cooper and Sean Hannity.
The biggest thing for people legitimately living the trans life is "passing" as the gender they see themselves as. The speakers at this meeting are living more of the "fetish" lifestyle....not even close to a person who legitimately has believed they were born in the wrong body.
I'm telling you 100% that the vast, vast majority of people dealing with gender dysphoria do NOT agree with these people.
This is the far out end of the spectrum, the 1% of the 1%.

libertysnake · Feb 14, 2025

Criticalt said:
These people are NOT representative of trans people. The VAST majority of trans people are pretty normal and not always peacocking.
In fact, most trans people don't care for these people, they give their community a bad name. These attention needing people can be seen and HEARD at any controversial meeting, protest, sit in, riot......they just want attention. These EXACT people scream at abortion rallies, anti Trump rallies, pro Palastine rallies, drag queen story hour sit-ins, anti gun rallies.......they are as much useful idiots as Anderson Cooper and Sean Hannity.
The biggest thing for people legitimately living the trans life is "passing" as the gender they see themselves as. The speakers at this meeting are living more of the "fetish" lifestyle....not even close to a person who legitimately has believed they were born in the wrong body.
I'm telling you 100% that the vast, vast majority of people dealing with gender dysphoria do NOT agree with these people.
This is the far out end of the spectrum, the 1% of the 1%.

Thank you. You said it better than I could. These people are fetishizing something at worst, and being outlandish at best.

Being trans is a disconnect between who you feel you are gender wise. You feel "unfaithful" to the skin you're in, and you try to be more "faithful" by blending as much as possible for the gender you weren't assigned at birth. Even if there are limits to that.

So I agree on the "passing" part completely. They're trying to act as normal as possible not like these people.

Grimscale · Feb 14, 2025

libertysnake said:
Also, who would want to be publicly trans in times like these

"Times like these" have only existed for 28 days. Where were the ones protesting the extremists in the last four years?

libertysnake said:
It shouldn't be on trans people per say to defend it solely

Who said anything about "defending it solely"? Let's just start with someone disavowing the fringe nut-jobs.
Gun owners have to face this repeatedly when a gun is misused.

libertysnake said:
A disability or a disorder is not necessarily an illness to be "fixed." They are a type of neurodivergence.

When you start talking about chopping off parts of your body because they "don't feel like they belong to me" you are talking about serious mental/emotional issues.

libertysnake said:
You realize that's a gross mischaracterization of them, right?

You realize that, when 99% of exposure are these mischaracterizations, people will believe that is the "norm", right?
When people are forced to support a lie at the risk of their life, livelihood, and freedom, these people will become bitter, combative, and will start to hate. Not just avoid, not tolerate, HATE.

You are talking about something that strikes at the core of biological instinct coupled with environmental upbringing.

Scientifically it is indicative of a serious overpopulation problem.
Societally it is indicative of aberrant behavior.
Individually it is indicative of self-destructive behavior.

Slowly, over time, homosexual behavior was eventually tolerated. Homosexuals went out of their way to show they were no threat, and were not trying to force their lifestyle on everyone else.
Eventually transgender people could end up with the same courtesy. But they are the ones that have to step up, reign in the fringe outliers, and show they are willing to exist within society without too much disruptiveness.

tirwin1 · Feb 14, 2025

I find the entire concept of a "sanctuary city" for these people to be ridiculous. I disagree but understand the concept of a sanctuary city for illegals. It's an attempt to prevent prosecution of people who have committed the crime of illegally entering the country. But what crimes do transgender people commit? Where are they being prosecuted and put behind bars or deported simply because they are trans? This is an absurd exercise in virtue signalling by lazy politicians who have nothing better to do.

FP1201 · Feb 14, 2025

libertysnake said:
An illness is something that impairs your ability within society or normal functioning. Nothing about them being trans does that.

Who gives a shit what the fuck they think they are as long as they're productive members of society. It's no one's business on this forum to dictate the lives of others and intrude on the liberty of what other people do. You don't want to call them a pronoun? Fine. Just don't tell them what they have to call themselves, who they can associate with, or restrict their civil liberties just because you need to be inside of someone else's business.

I really do not understand the irrational obsession with the lives of other people on this forum.

Society is built upon Moral and Ethical Standards. Back when we were mostly devout Christians (and this Country was built on the Christian Bible as much as Israel is built on Judaism) Those Standards came from Holy Books.
You cannot have Moral Law without a Moral Law Giver, and without Moral Laws you cannot have morality, which is simply necessary as Man is only good in fear of societal repercussions.
Society sets standards of what is acceptable and unacceptable with tolerance in the middle.
Perhaps you do not actually "give a shit" about what other people do or say, that is your Right, but I do care about what my progeny are exposed to and the possible damage/disruptions it may cause to their development.

tirwin1 · Feb 14, 2025

libertysnake said:
I really do not understand the irrational obsession with the lives of other people on this forum.

There is no obsession except on the part of those that insist on throwing this topic in our faces 24/7. Many people on this thread have stated they have no problem with trans people - live and let live. It's the insistence that we MUST accept these people and MUST allow them to dictate national or local policy and MUST let them interact with children. We don't have to. If someone wants to be trans and doesn't bother people we don't have a problem. But carving out special privileges for these people - no, we don't have to do it and we're tired of being told we have to.

Saltwater60 · Feb 14, 2025

libertysnake said:
I understand I'm not going to agree on this topic with most people. But any time we're classifying a whole group of people with a large brush, we should take a step back and really give some critical thought regarding this characterization -- whether that's due to their LBGTQ status, race, or some other particular reason they're being grouped that way.

There are nutjobs from all categories of people. No one here is wrong for not wanting to be around loud, obnoxious assholes. But let's not over generalize either.

So I agree with you and I have met many gay and lesbian people that are fine people. I don’t have any interactions with anyone trans so I don’t know much about them.
I think many people’s displeasure here is to force this on us. You want to be LGBTQA go for it I don’t care. What I will say is health insurance doesn’t cover cosmetic surgery so why does it cover when a man wants to play like he’s a women? I’m sorry doing whatever these people do does not make them change sexes. If gender is so fluid and can be changed anytime they feel like it let’s stop caring or tracking gender because it’s meaningless. My gripe with this is that’s it’s forced on all residents and if you don’t go to their parades and what not you’re labeled as a bigot. I think this group has always had an agenda more so than what they have stated and it’s getting out of hand. Trump being elected shows most people agree.
If they did their own thing, left me and everyone else alone, and it didn’t cost me money I’d be fine with whatever they wanted to do. This is all on them. Are there people that hate gays and are mean to them I’m sure of that but we don’t see them having parades and holding mass scale demonstrations or trainings to get you to hate gays.
Please don’t take these comments as anything against you or being argumentative just pointing out that these are my gripes and again many are fine people.

pshift · Feb 14, 2025

Wish granted!

libertysnake · Feb 14, 2025

Grimscale said:
When people are forced to support a lie at the risk of their life, livelihood, and freedom, these people will become bitter, combative, and will start to hate. Not just avoid, not tolerate, HATE.
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Eventually transgender people could end up with the same courtesy. But they are the ones that have to step up, reign in the fringe outliers, and show they are willing to exist within society without too much disruptiveness.

You can hate all you want. But when people start trying to lay hands on them, when hate becomes physical, that's the line in the sand. Not going to happen. Trans people can, and should, defend themselves against physical harm with all legal means afforded to them in the constitution and by law.

FP1201 said:
Society is built upon Moral and Ethical Standards. Back when we were mostly devout Christians (and this Country was built on the Christian Bible as much as Israel is built on Judaism) Those Standards came from Holy Books.
You cannot have Moral Law without a Moral Law Giver, and without Moral Laws you cannot have morality, which is simply necessary as Man is only good in fear of societal repercussions.
Society sets standards of what is acceptable and unacceptable with tolerance in the middle.
Perhaps you do not actually "give a shit" about what other people do or say, that is your Right, but I do care about what my progeny are exposed to and the possible damage/disruptions it may cause to their development.

Bullshit. Religion is neither a good example of moral standards, nor is a requirement of society or a personal to have morality. It will not be forced upon me nor anyone else under any circumstances. Separation of church and state exists for reason.

Also, morality is not set by society. Society has said horrible shit. Morality is set by conscience. And it's a good measure of a man when you look at his actions with regard to others.

You do not get the right to "not" expose them to other people simply living their lives. When your "morality" starts to tell people how they should define themselves or what they can do that has nothing to do with harming other people or contracts... that's the point at which you infringe on their rights. You're overstepping your bounds.

tirwin1 said:
There is no obsession except on the part of those that insist on throwing this topic in our faces 24/7. Many people on this thread have stated they have no problem with trans people - live and let live. It's the insistence that we MUST accept these people and MUST allow them to dictate national or local policy and MUST let them interact with children. We don't have to. If someone wants to be trans and doesn't bother people we don't have a problem. But carving out special privileges for these people - no, we don't have to do it and we're tired of being told we have to.

You don't have to do shit. Just leave them be and stop obsessing over them. You point to a fringe minority and claim it's the example when it's the exception making a false equivalency.

northny · Feb 14, 2025

“Massachusetts town” The article says. Let me help out you non new englanders in NY. Worcester is not some small town in Massachusetts , Worcester is a city In fact it is the second largest city in all of New England, second only to Boston. Larger than Providence RI, larger than Hartford or Norwalk or any city in Connecticut. This is some major level craziness.

ManualF150 · Feb 14, 2025

northny said:
“Massachusetts town” The article says. Let me help out you non new englanders in NY. Worcester is not some small town in Massachusetts , Worcester is a city In fact it is the second largest city in all of New England, second only to Boston. Larger than Providence RI, larger than Hartford or Norwalk or any city in Connecticut. This is some major level craziness.

That is true. Very uppity city too.

I was just over there for work during the summer and I couldn't wait to get done with that job. Was over there for 2 1/2 weeks and most people walk around with their noses up in the air.

Was working a job site and across the road was an uppity coffee shop, and I parked the skid steer on the side walk right out front, then went in with my filthy dirt covered shirt and pants, work boots and man the looks I got. :ROFL:

Saltwater60 · Feb 15, 2025

It’s sad this is even being talked about. The liberals have made this a thing to divide us as a country and it’s working. People have been indoctrinated to thing being like this is popular. If a guy thinks another guy is good looking they are told they should act on it. I can tell you from my kids at school straight people are not treated nice anymore. Most kids say they are not straight anymore because Hollywood and the left has popularized this. My son quit the play in part because the lesbians were mean to him. Straight kids are now mocked.
A group of LGBTQ students managed up on teachers and got them in trouble because they didn’t support their agenda enough. Teachers should not be involved with kids in this manner. Walk down the halls and you cannot miss the pride club signs all over the place and do you think a straight club would be allowed? They have special bathrooms just for kids like this to use. Nothing is fair or equal in this arena.
The fact should be this shouldn’t be talked about and made into a thing. People should do what they do behind closed doors. I’m not out flaunting my sexuality or what I like to do. Many parts of this isn’t normal and I’ve seen naked riders (in videos) at pride parades where kids are. If I rode down my street naked and showed kids my junk I’d be jailed so why is this allowed? Sorry but it’s gone too far.

ManualF150 · Feb 15, 2025

Saltwater60 said:
It’s sad this is even being talked about. The liberals have made this a thing to divide us as a country and it’s working. People have been indoctrinated to thing being like this is popular. If a guy thinks another guy is good looking they are told they should act on it. I can tell you from my kids at school straight people are not treated nice anymore. Most kids say they are not straight anymore because Hollywood and the left has popularized this. My son quit the play in part because the lesbians were mean to him. Straight kids are now mocked.
A group of LGBTQ students managed up on teachers and got them in trouble because they didn’t support their agenda enough. Teachers should not be involved with kids in this manner. Walk down the halls and you cannot miss the pride club signs all over the place and do you think a straight club would be allowed? They have special bathrooms just for kids like this to use. Nothing is fair or equal in this arena.
The fact should be this shouldn’t be talked about and made into a thing. People should do what they do behind closed doors. I’m not out flaunting my sexuality or what I like to do. Many parts of this isn’t normal and I’ve seen naked riders (in videos) at pride parades where kids are. If I rode down my street naked and showed kids my junk I’d be jailed so why is this allowed? Sorry but it’s gone too far.

What is crazy is how fast it happened. It's frightening how fast it spread. Faster than a California wildfire.

I blame a lot of this due to the "information age" we are in. People have access to damn near everything on a device they tote around with them all day. Fast access also means faster spread of information and less time for people the think what is right versus what is wrong.

Which brings in the mental capacity for people. I think a lot of what we see now a days is peoples minds being literally overloaded with information as such a rapid pace that they can't properly comprehend and fathom what it all means in a proper manner. Good versus bad.

I seen a lot of this happen since around 2003ish era and it's boomed ever since.

Robin · Feb 16, 2025

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Saltwater60 · Feb 16, 2025

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ManualF150 said:
What is crazy is how fast it happened. It's frightening how fast it spread. Faster than a California wildfire.

I blame a lot of this due to the "information age" we are in. People have access to damn near everything on a device they tote around with them all day. Fast access also means faster spread of information and less time for people the think what is right versus what is wrong.

Which brings in the mental capacity for people. I think a lot of what we see now a days is peoples minds being literally overloaded with information as such a rapid pace that they can't properly comprehend and fathom what it all means in a proper manner. Good versus bad.

I seen a lot of this happen since around 2003ish era and it's boomed ever since.

problem is most teenagers are unhappy or feel some sort of way many say if you feel this way you are queer or whatever. That gets them thinking and trying things. Most girls get their hearts broken in high school so then people say turn to a girl and they do. There is a lot of pressure these days starting from awry young age to be this or that. I have noticed a huge amount of kids do this from broken homes and more specifically kids with mild to moderate autism. I know a 15-16 year old girl who has had hormones and breast removal by the time she was 16. She has autism and when I asked my wife how they afford this NYS is paying the bill because of some caveat. My wife knows I don’t support it so she doesn’t say much. It’s insane and these people refuse vaccines.
There shouldn’t be pride parades and queers reading to kids because this is about conforming and pushing kids to this. I don’t mind they being treated properly because they should be but it shouldn’t be pushed on people or popularized and I shouldn’t be paying for it. To me it’s all elective. My wife has her stomach muscle separated from having two kids and they refuse to fix it because it’s cosmetic and hasn’t herniated yet. It’s so wide I can fit my fist in it but yet I can pay for hormone treatments and breast removal for a girl who desires to be a man. I don’t get it, I’ll never get it.
I do have to add I will treat you with respect if you are what you are and are respectful to me. I respect libertysnake and all he adds to this forum.

Darth · Feb 16, 2025

"Why don't the good ones disavow the bad ones?"

Also them:

"I hate when people make one trait their whole life. "

When the Las Vegas shooting happened, you know what I did to separate myself from that shooter? Nothing. Why? I'm not that shooter and we aren't all one big group or something.

That said, the sanctuary city stuff is complete nonsense.

Also are we still with this "Behind closed doors" nonsense? How about if you are doing a consensual act and aren't hurting anybody (feelings don't count remember) then I don't care if you go out on the town dressed as a damn Playboy Bunny with size D breastforms or whatever else one might hypothetically dream up. Stop with the puritan bullshit. You don't like the human body, others don't like guns. Neither is a valid excuse to keep them hidden.

"But kids might see a ding dong." Yep. "But kids might get shot in school. " Yep. The cost of freedom. Get on board.

Darth · Feb 16, 2025

Saltwater60 said:
Trump being elected shows most people agree.

This line right here is not only not true, but it will be the downfall of the right if they keep it up.

Trump won against possibly the worst candidate in history. Great. Now what the right is doing is co-opting that into "ergo, people agree with all his stances." Not even close.

They are taking the fact Trump won, perverting it by injecting their own ideas they already had as "reasons why", and heading directly for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

tirwin1 · Feb 16, 2025

Saltwater60 said:
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problem is most teenagers are unhappy or feel some sort of way many say if you feel this way you are queer or whatever. That gets them thinking and trying things. Most girls get their hearts broken in high school so then people say turn to a girl and they do. There is a lot of pressure these days starting from awry young age to be this or that. I have noticed a huge amount of kids do this from broken homes and more specifically kids with mild to moderate autism. I know a 15-16 year old girl who has had hormones and breast removal by the time she was 16. She has autism and when I asked my wife how they afford this NYS is paying the bill because of some caveat. My wife knows I don’t support it so she doesn’t say much. It’s insane and these people refuse vaccines.
There shouldn’t be pride parades and queers reading to kids because this is about conforming and pushing kids to this. I don’t mind they being treated properly because they should be but it shouldn’t be pushed on people or popularized and I shouldn’t be paying for it. To me it’s all elective. My wife has her stomach muscle separated from having two kids and they refuse to fix it because it’s cosmetic and hasn’t herniated yet. It’s so wide I can fit my fist in it but yet I can pay for hormone treatments and breast removal for a girl who desires to be a man. I don’t get it, I’ll never get it.
I do have to add I will treat you with respect if you are what you are and are respectful to me. I respect libertysnake and all he adds to this forum.

I have always wondered where the hell the money for the surgery comes from. I pay my own health insurance and it's expensive (more than a mortgage payment) and shit like isn't even remotely covered. So it must be the government that is funding this nonsense, which is even more outrageous.

Yes, there are people who genuinely have an issue with gender dysphoria. But their numbers are so small they should not be dominating the national discussion. The continued promotion of this topic is deliberate on the part of leftists who believe people are pawns that can be molded into anything they want and that all the power of government should be utilized to that end. It is truly disgusting.

Saltwater60 · Feb 16, 2025

tirwin1 said:
I have always wondered where the hell the money for the surgery comes from. I pay my own health insurance and it's expensive (more than a mortgage payment) and shit like isn't even remotely covered. So it must be the government that is funding this nonsense, which is even more outrageous.

Yes, there are people who genuinely have an issue with gender dysphoria. But their numbers are so small they should not be dominating the national discussion. The continued promotion of this topic is deliberate on the part of leftists who believe people are pawns that can be molded into anything they want and that all the power of government should be utilized to that end. It is truly disgusting.

I don’t mind treating people for gender dysphoria but given them hormones and lobbing off body parts isn’t the answer. People with schizophrenia who hear voices telling them to kill others are t handed a gun and said this will solve it.
It’s amazing to watch on Facebook how people whose kids have this step right in line and this becomes their entire lives. The left knows this and this is why kids are being targeted. This is how they will win elections.

Saltwater60 · Feb 16, 2025

Darth said:
This line right here is not only not true, but it will be the downfall of the right if they keep it up.

Trump won against possibly the worst candidate in history. Great. Now what the right is doing is co-opting that into "ergo, people agree with all his stances." Not even close.

They are taking the fact Trump won, perverting it by injecting their own ideas they already had as "reasons why", and heading directly for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I’m talking about what they are doing to kids. People don’t want it, studies show it, and everyone I talk to agrees even super liberal people. Many would also say Trump is or was the worst candidate in history. Many said he was the worst president in history.

Massachusetts town votes to become a transgender 'sanctuary city' after wild city council meeting

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