Zelensky Tries to Lecture Trump and Vance, Gets his Arse Handed to him.

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Mr. terzmo said:
Something is very smelly here. Trump wants the killing to stop in Ukraine. Israel is under a “truce” to stop killing Hamas. Both Ukraine and Israel are using non US troops to defend themselves. Israel lost over a thousand people last year in just a few hours. Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands and sovereign territory in the past 3 years. Trump supports Israel. Trump just stopped supporting Ukraine.

I agree Bidoon screwed up by not getting any guarantee’s for payment of goods supplie. But…just like WWII, the guarantee is worthless. Just ask England and France about the WWII debt they still owe.

when fighting for freedom and their Country, was there a number of csualties that all action would be stopped? Life is precious but so is Freedom. Something stinks with the way this Ukraine situation and Russia is handled.

Trump said years ago that Russia would crumble if left out of the international banking system. There are more sanctions that can be applied. Trump does not state in public that Putin is a war criminal of the lowest form yet He wants to talk to Putin. He kicked zelensky out. He should be applying so much pressure that Putin calls Him. Tough on one. Easy on the asshole that started all the shit.

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Everyone else (as in half of americans and 100% of non-americans) sees it. Since taking office trump has tirelessly shat on every relationship with American allies, from its closest (Canada--which it has just begun a pointless trade war with), to Europe. Vance was in Europe--while actively being invaded by Russia--telling it that its greatest risk is from within. Meanwhile trump, a guy who dodged military service by complaining of bone spurs, has the gall to criticize a person who the entire western world lauds as anything but a coward (when kyiv was looking to topple in Feb/22 he refused to leave).

Kremlin has just publicly stated that the US' foreign policy is now aligned with their own. Trump refuses to condemn russia for invading, and somehow has convinced his most ardent supporters to criticize a country for daring to defend itself. This thread is like jackals fighting over road kill. The glee people are taking in mockery of a guy who is only trying to defend his country from invasion by russians (what the actual fuck, republicans--since when are you okay with that?) is really something to behold.
 
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Blimey said:
Everyone else (as in half of americans and 100% of non-americans) sees it. Since taking office trump has tirelessly shat on every relationship with American allies, from its closest (Canada--which it has just begun a pointless trade war with), to Europe. Vance was in Europe--while actively being invaded by Russia--telling it that its greatest risk is from within. Meanwhile trump, a guy who dodged military service by complaining of bone spurs, has the gall to criticize a person who the entire western world lauds as anything but a coward (when kyiv was looking to topple in Feb/22 he refused to leave).

Kremlin has just publicly stated that the US' foreign policy is now aligned with their own. Trump refuses to condemn russia for invading, and somehow has convinced his most ardent supporters to criticize a country for daring to defend itself. This thread is like jackals fighting over road kill. The glee people are taking in mockery of a guy who is only trying to defend his country from invasion by russians (what the actual fuck, republicans--since when are you okay with that?) is really something to behold.
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Mr. terzmo said:
Something is very smelly here. Trump wants the killing to stop in Ukraine. Israel is under a “truce” to stop killing Hamas. Both Ukraine and Israel are using non US troops to defend themselves. Israel lost over a thousand people last year in just a few hours. Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands and sovereign territory in the past 3 years. Trump supports Israel. Trump just stopped supporting Ukraine.

I agree Bidoon screwed up by not getting any guarantee’s for payment of goods supplie. But…just like WWII, the guarantee is worthless. Just ask England and France about the WWII debt they still owe.

when fighting for freedom and their Country, was there a number of csualties that all action would be stopped? Life is precious but so is Freedom. Something stinks with the way this Ukraine situation and Russia is handled.

Trump said years ago that Russia would crumble if left out of the international banking system. There are more sanctions that can be applied. Trump does not state in public that Putin is a war criminal of the lowest form yet He wants to talk to Putin. He kicked zelensky out. He should be applying so much pressure that Putin calls Him. Tough on one. Easy on the asshole that started all the shit.

Something really smells here
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I'd love for somebody to be able to explain to me why Putin is such a monster, but people like Xi in China get no criticism.

The relationship between Russia and Ukraine is much more complicated than Putin's a mean monster that invaded. Up until recently there were the same country. After the separation the ukrainians had no problem with the terrorist incursions they were doing into Russia. No problem with provoking Russia by trying to become a part of NATO. Ukraine's hands aren't clean in this mess. I'm old enough to remember when Obama supported Ukraine so much that he sent them a bunch of blankets and bed sheets to hold off Russia instead of guns and bombs.

Regarding Israel and Gaza, the situation is nowhere near the same as with Russia and Ukraine. The Palestinians are a bunch of dirt eating goat fornicators. They have demonstrated again and again and again that they won't be satisfied until Israel is gone. How do you expect Israel as their neighbor to put up with that? How do you expect Israel to deal with the terrorist incursion that killed thousands of their citizens?

Putin isn't as much of a monster as the media portrays him, and the Palestinians aren't good guys.
 
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Only a shallow thinker believes willingness to have dialogue with Putin makes one weak or a Putin lackey. Zelenskyy well he got what he asked for when he showed up with an attitude and thought he could strong arm trump in front of the media. He was the one who decided to derail the already agreed upon deal. But hey let’s just keep funding a loosing battle and watch thousands more die for a lost cause. And make no mistake it is a lost cause.
 
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They are going back and forth with that minerals deal, like promises of Ukraine membership in NATO. Almost pregnancy doesn't end in child birth.
 
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Blimey said:
Everyone else (as in half of americans and 100% of non-americans) sees it. Since taking office trump has tirelessly shat on every relationship with American allies, from its closest (Canada--which it has just begun a pointless trade war with), to Europe. Vance was in Europe--while actively being invaded by Russia--telling it that its greatest risk is from within. Meanwhile trump, a guy who dodged military service by complaining of bone spurs, has the gall to criticize a person who the entire western world lauds as anything but a coward (when kyiv was looking to topple in Feb/22 he refused to leave).

Kremlin has just publicly stated that the US' foreign policy is now aligned with their own. Trump refuses to condemn russia for invading, and somehow has convinced his most ardent supporters to criticize a country for daring to defend itself. This thread is like jackals fighting over road kill. The glee people are taking in mockery of a guy who is only trying to defend his country from invasion by russians (what the actual fuck, republicans--since when are you okay with that?) is really something to behold.
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You really are some American. You still have your Clinton Obama and Biden posters. ?? None of which served.
 
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pjzwtl said:
Zelenskyy says Ukraine 'ready' for peace negotiations, calls Trump meeting 'regrettable'

Well well
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Dr. Evil said:
Here you go. My bad.

www.bbc.com

Mineral deal 'ready to sign', says Zelensky

Speaking to reporters after a summit of European leaders in London, Ukrainian President Zelensky reflects on the public White House showdown.
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If I were Trump I'd do the following...

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Fuck Ukraine, fuck Europe and fuck NATO.

You don't think we'd get sucked into a war with Russia if some "rare earth contractors" got greased by a Ukrainian "false flag" op? Gee, that's never been tried in Eastern Europe before...look at the Gleiwitz Incident (Gleiwitz incident - Wikipedia), code-named Operation Himmler (Operation Himmler - Wikipedia) where a radio statio was "attacked" by actual Nazis to justify invading Poland in 1939.

Who wants to be a "deterrent" to keep Russia from attacking Ukraine? US civilians, purposefully placed in Ukraine for bullshit "rare earth deposits" is just the Eurotrash/NATO/Neo-Con default plan for getting actual fUSA.Mil troops on the ground from the get go.

That shit is SOP for the CIA.

No more Americans dying in bullshit wars set up by "deep state" shitweasels and cock-eaters (this includes Japan in WWII).

I've seen too many HS/Mil/college friends names on that mass grave they call "The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial". My grandson is NOT going to die for Ukraine - fucking ever.

I've seen varying reports about whether Ukraine even contains significant "rare earth" deposits.

Who did the geological assays? I've seen maps of it, and they appeared to be done by Ukrainian companies who, I am sure always tell the truth :rolleyes:.

Hopefully, Trump isn't stupid enough to get sucked into this bullshit......................................

BUT.......

Trump and Zelensky Set to Sign Historic Minerals Deal, Announcement Planned for Tonight’s Congressional Address: Report | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
 
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Blimey said:
Everyone else (as in half of americans and 100% of non-americans) sees it. Since taking office trump has tirelessly shat on every relationship with American allies, from its closest (Canada--which it has just begun a pointless trade war with), to Europe. Vance was in Europe--while actively being invaded by Russia--telling it that its greatest risk is from within. Meanwhile trump, a guy who dodged military service by complaining of bone spurs, has the gall to criticize a person who the entire western world lauds as anything but a coward (when kyiv was looking to topple in Feb/22 he refused to leave).

Kremlin has just publicly stated that the US' foreign policy is now aligned with their own. Trump refuses to condemn russia for invading, and somehow has convinced his most ardent supporters to criticize a country for daring to defend itself. This thread is like jackals fighting over road kill. The glee people are taking in mockery of a guy who is only trying to defend his country from invasion by russians (what the actual fuck, republicans--since when are you okay with that?) is really something to behold.
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For the record - I have been against Ukraine since like page 1 of the Donbas thread.

Fuck Ukraine. If they can't defend their own country with their own men and treasure, they aren't the rightful people to control it.

I really don't give a shit what happens over there as long as I don't have to pay for it. Since I am paying for it (up until recently), Trump just needs to end it under whatever terms are most favorable to the U.S.A.
 
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kev74 said:
I'd love for somebody to be able to explain to me why Putin is such a monster, but people like Xi in China get no criticism.

The relationship between Russia and Ukraine is much more complicated than Putin's a mean monster that invaded. Up until recently there were the same country. After the separation the ukrainians had no problem with the terrorist incursions they were doing into Russia. No problem with provoking Russia by trying to become a part of NATO. Ukraine's hands aren't clean in this mess. I'm old enough to remember when Obama supported Ukraine so much that he sent them a bunch of blankets and bed sheets to hold off Russia instead of guns and bombs.

Regarding Israel and Gaza, the situation is nowhere near the same as with Russia and Ukraine. The Palestinians are a bunch of dirt eating goat fornicators. They have demonstrated again and again and again that they won't be satisfied until Israel is gone. How do you expect Israel as their neighbor to put up with that? How do you expect Israel to deal with the terrorist incursion that killed thousands of their citizens?

Putin isn't as much of a monster as the media portrays him, and the Palestinians aren't good guys.
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Putin isn't as much of a monster as the media portrays him, and the Palestinians aren't good guys.

are you sober?? He is responsible for missle attacks on schools,hospitals..malls..etc. He is responsible fof killing civilians and stealing thousands of children and taking them to Russia. His men steal and rape. He invaded. No one invited Him in.
 
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Mr. terzmo said:
Putin isn't as much of a monster as the media portrays him, and the Palestinians aren't good guys.

are you sober?? He is responsible for missle attacks on schools,hospitals..malls..etc. He is responsible fof killing civilians and stealing thousands of children and taking them to Russia. His men steal and rape. He invaded. No one invited Him in.
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And the Ukrainians don't rape and steal? They didn't make a habit of their terrorists attacking civilian targets in Russia? They're still attacking civilian targets in Russia...now, when they get the opportunity.

And the attacks on Ukrainian civilians... any chance they're might have been some false-flagging there??? No...unpossible!!!

Check out a Ukraine military "recruitment" video and tell me they're the good guys.

 
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Blimey said:
Everyone else (as in half of americans and 100% of non-americans) sees it. Since taking office trump has tirelessly shat on every relationship with American allies, from its closest (Canada--which it has just begun a pointless trade war with), to Europe. Vance was in Europe--while actively being invaded by Russia--telling it that its greatest risk is from within. Meanwhile trump, a guy who dodged military service by complaining of bone spurs, has the gall to criticize a person who the entire western world lauds as anything but a coward (when kyiv was looking to topple in Feb/22 he refused to leave).

Kremlin has just publicly stated that the US' foreign policy is now aligned with their own. Trump refuses to condemn russia for invading, and somehow has convinced his most ardent supporters to criticize a country for daring to defend itself. This thread is like jackals fighting over road kill. The glee people are taking in mockery of a guy who is only trying to defend his country from invasion by russians (what the actual fuck, republicans--since when are you okay with that?) is really something to behold.
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Sorry but you lost me with the "Bone Spurs" rhetoric: Did you ever serve in any of the American Forces? If so, perhaps you'll recall going through the MEP's Station, where Doctors examine you, you're required to disclose any medical conditions or injuries at which time said Physician will determine IF you're eligible to enlist, and yet there's no mention of having achieved the Highest Rank in the Military without donning a Uniform...you're prejudicial hatred of Trump just shone through.
Oh, and as for the sudden turn in the talks between Trump, Vance: Zelenskyy called Trump a "Bitch" in Russian (something he likely didn't think they'd understand, but absolutely DID) so he fucked himself on that one, and in the end he'll roll over and accept "the deal" or he'll be out of Office (dead?) in a couple weeks.
Oh, and I'm OK with Russia and it's actions, besides it's not our Farm, not our Pig.
 
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Mr. terzmo said:
Putin isn't as much of a monster as the media portrays him, and the Palestinians aren't good guys.

are you sober?? He is responsible for missle attacks on schools,hospitals..malls..etc. He is responsible fof killing civilians and stealing thousands of children and taking them to Russia. His men steal and rape. He invaded. No one invited Him in.
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Russian doctrine considers Ukrainians as misguided and misled brotherly people.
Ukrainian doctrine considers Russians as subhuman herd.
The difference in how both sides view each other is very telling about who is likely to commit war crimes and atrocities.
 
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@Dr. Evil - what in the fucking blue blazes of hell is "fake Churchill" doing back here?

Thought he beat feet somewhere during the COVID thread after a series of embarassing verbal ass whoopins'.

The neighborhood just took a "livability" hit...

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prambo said:
@Dr. Evil - what in the fucking blue blazes of hell is "fake Churchill" doing back here?

Thought he beat feet somewhere during the COVID thread after a series of embarassing verbal ass whoopins'.

The neighborhood just took a "livability" hit...

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"I can't quit you, NYGF! Please don't tell my wife."
-Fake Winston Churchill, probably
 
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kev74 said:
And the Ukrainians don't rape and steal? They didn't make a habit of their terrorists attacking civilian targets in Russia? They're still attacking civilian targets in Russia...now, when they get the opportunity.

And the attacks on Ukrainian civilians... any chance they're might have been some false-flagging there??? No...unpossible!!!

Check out a Ukraine military "recruitment" video and tell me they're the good guys.

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Russia invaded Ukraine..not the other way around. If another Countries army raped and killed your family/children: what would you do? Would you just look up info to try and solve who was at fault? I Think not
 
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Ukraine never released the names of alleged Bucha victims. Why? Because they were murdered by Ukrainian death squads for welcoming and collaborating with the Russians. Releasing their names would lead to discovery on social media who they really were.

euroweeklynews.com

Top Ukraine official fired for sexual abuse claims against Russian soldiers

Ukraine’s Ombudsman has been fired after making several explicit complaints about the conduct of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.
euroweeklynews.com euroweeklynews.com
 
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