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The situation in Kursk reached a decision point over the last 24 hours. Ukrainian forces around Sudzha have two roads connecting them to home. The main supply route (1) has been under Russian fire for a while now, and they've been leaning on the secondary route (2).

A Russian attack out of Kurilovka managed to break through to this secondary road. There are reports that Russian troops reached the Ukrainian border, which would mean the road is physically blocked and not just under fire control. The advance has been confirmed by Ukrainian mappers like DeepState.

The AFU either needs to sort itself out to immediately withdraw from Kursk or else counterattack and attempt to unblock the road. They're withdrawing from Malaya Loknya on the northern tip of the salient, but whether this portends a general abandonment of Kursk remains to be seen.

Given the dense Russian fires on the roads out over the past few weeks, Ukrainian withdrawal would likely entail abandoning or losing lots of equipment. Very difficult to imagine them squeezing out of the bottleneck in good order.
 
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The situation in Kursk reached a decision point over the last 24 hours. Ukrainian forces around Sudzha have two roads connecting them to home. The main supply route (1) has been under Russian fire for a while now, and they've been leaning on the secondary route (2).

A Russian attack out of Kurilovka managed to break through to this secondary road. There are reports that Russian troops reached the Ukrainian border, which would mean the road is physically blocked and not just under fire control. The advance has been confirmed by Ukrainian mappers like DeepState.

The AFU either needs to sort itself out to immediately withdraw from Kursk or else counterattack and attempt to unblock the road. They're withdrawing from Malaya Loknya on the northern tip of the salient, but whether this portends a general abandonment of Kursk remains to be seen.

Given the dense Russian fires on the roads out over the past few weeks, Ukrainian withdrawal would likely entail abandoning or losing lots of equipment. Very difficult to imagine them squeezing out of the bottleneck in good order.
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They're screwed.

I feel like what is occurring has so many parallels to the WW2 eastern front. It was common for large groups to be fully encircled in a pocket and completely ground down and destroyed. You can't hold out for long without resupply and as your wounded start to accumulate and you lose your combat strength.
 
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In less than a year, 60K Ukrainians have fallen in the Kursk salient. More than We lost in ten years in Vietnam. Thats testament to the brutal fighting that had taken place. A war withen a war. The question now is whether the Ukrainians have enough forces in the region to plug the gap . From what I can tell it seems like a lot of open area and farm lands lacking real good defensive terrain .
 
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The ruskies were ready, trained and prepared for it because they live in cold shit.
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So you think the Germans would have won if they brought coats and gloves? what about the second winter? Probably had nothing to do with a nearly 3000 mile front from North to South , Allied bombings in the rear, Partistans cutting supply routes , the threat of invasion .
 
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There is a lot of misinformation and misconceptions about Russian history and also WWII still remaining from the cold war era.
Germany, Poland, Sweden and France also have cold winters, not much different from the winters in the parts of Russia they invaded. None of them came even close to Siberia and its brutal weather.
Another misconception is that Soviet WWII strategy was solely reliant on meat assaults. In fact Russians used a lot deceptive and unprecedented maneuvering, while German assaults were mostly head on. Some of the well known examples are deceptive crossing of Dneper river, operation Saturn, operation Baghration.
 
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Moving 800 men through 9 miles of 5' tall gas pipeline will be something for history books, but they done things like this during WWII and on a bigger scale, appearing where they were not expected, striking a deadly blow.
 
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Pretty amazing that a relatively small country could hold on for so long. God bless them all! Well, not Zelenski.
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Its pretty sad, brother against brother, cousin against cousin. Even if they end up losing the war, History will remember them as tenacious brave fighters that bloodied the Russians bears nose. History will remember zelensky as a POS traitor who didnt give a rats ass about his people.

Sooner or later the US intell will start feeding his coordinates to Russian agents , this guy has got to go.
 
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He needs to go. He can't make any concessions, because they could have had a better deal in March of 2022, so hundreds of thousands that died since then, died for nothing. It was his decision. He should have served his nation and his people, not Boris Johnson.
 
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Mosinitis said:
He needs to go. He can't make any concessions, because they could have had a better deal in March of 2022, so hundreds of thousands that died since then, died for nothing. It was his decision. He should have served his nation and his people, not Boris Johnson.
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I really think the britts and frogs are the ones steering him into destruction.

There is some seriously messed up diplomacy and "guidance" occurring behind closed doors. They are using Ukrainian blood to fight Russia for them.

Meanwhile there are now stories that Europe is going to be massively increasing their military spending and talking openly about conscription.

Not good at all.

Look at the stock price of Rheinmetal in the past 6 months. Shocking. What does that tell you?

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Spurred by the war in Ukraine and the prospect of US disengagement, European countries are debating a return to compulsory military service to counter Russian expansionism. Lithuania, Sweden and Latvia…
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Europe is preparing for war.


Let's sit this one out.
F- no.
You guys made this mess it's on you to clean it up.
 
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Russians are claiming 30 High ranking NATO officers are trapped in/or near Kursk .

Trump asked Putin to not kill the soldiers in the Kursk pocket, Hmmmmmmmmm. Could be somethin to it.
 
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Russians are claiming 30 High ranking NATO officers are trapped in/or near Kursk .

Trump asked Putin to not kill the soldiers in the Kursk pocket, Hmmmmmmmmm. Could be somethin to it.
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From what I read this was reported by RIA as something coming from Ukrainian resistance. It's not from the official Russian sources. May or may not be true.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I really think the britts and frogs are the ones steering him into destruction.

There is some seriously messed up diplomacy and "guidance" occurring behind closed doors. They are using Ukrainian blood to fight Russia for them.

Meanwhile there are now stories that Europe is going to be massively increasing their military spending and talking openly about conscription.

Not good at all.

Look at the stock price of Rheinmetal in the past 6 months. Shocking. What does that tell you?

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www.france24.com

European nations debate a return to conscription amid Trump turnaround on Russia

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www.france24.com www.france24.com


Europe is preparing for war.


Let's sit this one out.
F- no.
You guys made this mess it's on you to clean it up.
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Their track record shows that trying to let them deal with their own mess just makes the mess bigger.

We'll eventually get dragged into it anyway, it'll just be a bigger shit show when we do.
 
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spat said:
Their track record shows that trying to let them deal with their own mess just makes the mess bigger.

We'll eventually get dragged into it anyway, it'll just be a bigger shit show when we do.
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I'm not so sure that applies anymore in 2025 with intercontinental missiles and bombers, cyber attacks, stealth, etc.

Even if somehow Russia subjegated all of Europe why would we necessarily "have to do something"?

Based on modern technology there is nearly instant global reach. This isn't the 1910s or 1930/40s anymore. We don't need to be in Europe to deter Russia. I don't want to be. I'm not willing to risk a million American boys fighting a war that some assholes started that we can and should sit out.

Russia isn't our enemy. They can't invade us.

We need to worry about China.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I'm not so sure that applies anymore in 2025 with intercontinental missiles and bombers, cyber attacks, stealth, etc.

Even if somehow Russia subjegated all of Europe why would necessarily "have to do something"? Based on modern technology there is nearly instant global reach. This isn't the 1910s or 1930/40s anymore. We don't need to be in Europe to deter Russia. I don't want to be. Im not willing to risk a million American boys fighting a war that some assholes started that we can and should sit out.
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Because, if Russia conquered Europe, they would take a decade to consolidate and then would start looking at us.

And then we would need to deal with a Russia that had all fo Europe's resources too.


You're thinking is "let them have Georgia, why do we want to deal with it".

Then "let them have Crimea, why should we deal with it".

Because they will *never* stop with Crimea.


The other option is to let Germany re-arm fully and then take Russia themselves. That really *really* sounds like a bad idea.

American interests are served *far* better by us being the only game that matters militarily. The only way to maintain that status is to make sure nobody else thinks it's in their interests to build up themselves.
 
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There is always some kind of coalition coming from Europe to straighten out Russia. This already happened in 1941 and in 1914 and in 1854 and in 1812 and many times before. The difference now Russia has the nukes and Oreshniks and a few other instruments of persuasion. Stale pie and frog eaters can go fuck themselves.
 
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Because, if Russia conquered Europe, they would take a decade to consolidate and then would start looking at us.

And then we would need to deal with a Russia that had all fo Europe's resources too.


You're thinking is "let them have Georgia, why do we want to deal with it".

Then "let them have Crimea, why should we deal with it".

Because they will *never* stop with Crimea.


The other option is to let Germany re-arm fully and then take Russia themselves. That really *really* sounds like a bad idea.

American interests are served *far* better by us being the only game that matters militarily. The only way to maintain that status is to make sure nobody else thinks it's in their interests to build up themselves.
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I disagree. Russia has 0.0 % chance of invading the US. They are not a threat. I have no problem if we let them run Eastern Europe/west Asia how they want. Let them grow stronger and give China something else to worry about on the back side.

There is no logical reason to assume Russia is destined to be our enemy unless we create the conditions for a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
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I disagree. Russia has 0.0 % chance of invading the US. They are not a threat. I have no problem if we let them run Eastern Europe/west Asia how they want. Let them grow stronger and give China something else to worry about on the back side.

There is no logical reason to assume Russia is destined to be our enemy unless we create the conditions for a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Yea, I think it's likely that Europe would fully re-arm and they would conquer Russia if that fight happened.

But I think we don't want them speaking German in Moscow any more than we want them speaking Russian in Berlin and Paris.

And we really *really* don't want the Chinese to come in after both sides are weakened from that fight and take the whole continent.
 
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