Stun Guns and Tasers, Banned in NY Once Again or Not

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Look, THE PROTECTION OF BLM AND ILLEGALS, from injury, SURPASSES ALL RIGHTS TO SELF DEFENSE.
 
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"Plaintiffs have not provided any studies, reports, or data for the Court to conduct a "statistical inquiry" into whether stun guns and tasers are in common use."

How do you prove that something is in common use when it's been illegal for years, and even if it has been legal, as you said, it's still on the books. Many people won't buy the devices because they think they are illegal, even if they're not. So they can never come into common use.
 
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jimc said:
"Plaintiffs have not provided any studies, reports, or data for the Court to conduct a "statistical inquiry" into whether stun guns and tasers are in common use."

How do you prove that something is in common use when it's been illegal for years, and even if it has been legal, as you said, it's still on the books. Many people won't buy the devices because they think they are illegal, even if they're not. So they can never come into common use.
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How many studies and surveys have been done of oh hey do you own a stun gun or taser? Never been asked that question once.
How do you find something that doesn’t exist? Tons of off market brands coming from china and no way to track it
 
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jimc said:
"Plaintiffs have not provided any studies, reports, or data for the Court to conduct a "statistical inquiry" into whether stun guns and tasers are in common use."

How do you prove that something is in common use when it's been illegal for years, and even if it has been legal, as you said, it's still on the books. Many people won't buy the devices because they think they are illegal, even if they're not. So they can never come into common use.
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Almost all cops carry one.

That makes them common as far as I am concerned.
 
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Was this not settled at SCOTUS in the Caetano case? At least the possession and carry of. There was no ruling as to the hoops of regulation thereof. However with no legislation in NYS regarding such regulation you should be able to keep and bear them? IDoes this mean if SCOTUS nuts up and strikes down unconstitutional AW and Magazine bans that the lower courts can ignore the ruling? I fully expect that NYS would come up with some sort of massive regulatory scheme (already partially in place via SAFE) but, can the lower courts rule that these things are not in common use? SCOTUS really needs to put in their rulings that the states MUST adhere to the constitutionality of such rulings in both spirit and written law. Otherwise the Anti Gun States and activist lower judicial courts will continue to perform acrobatics to circumvent these rulings. Much like Kavanaghs' dicta that allowed for licensing schemes NY took full advantage of it with the already pre written CCIA. Talk about leaving a "loophole" in the ruling.
 
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My daughters carry one in public and have since they lived in NY. Every cop of every agency I’ve ever seen or interacted with in NY has one. Many of my acquaintances have carried them as well. I had a nice Taser Strikelight on me doing grocery deliveries in Rochester/Buffalo/Syracuse… well, until it fell out of my pocket and I backed over it with a loaded tractor trailer!

They’re definitely in common use from my perspective.
 
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The Right to Defense is absolute, and not dispensed by man... Constitution only "recognizes" these Rights, does not "grant" them...

So what's the question again?
 
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What about those pepper ball guns? No permits, no BG checks, no ammo BG check. Go to store, buy gun, C02, pepper balls, go home.
 
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Old Jalopy said:
What about those pepper ball guns? No permits, no BG checks, no ammo BG check. Go to store, buy gun, C02, pepper balls, go home.
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the pepper balls contain to many hot peppers according to NYS pepper spray laws .. last i heard ..

your talking about this correct ... not allowed in NYS ..

new york , new york means the rest of the state .. because every zip code in NYS = NYC to online stores ..

you can try to order one and see what happens ..

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the pepper balls contain to many hot peppers according to NYS pepper spray laws .. last i heard ..

your talking about this correct ... not allowed in NYS ..

new york , new york means the rest of the state .. because every zip code in NYS = NYC to online stores ..

you can try to order one and see what happens ..

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A friend of mine has one of these. They're sold in gun stores.
 
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jimc said:
"Plaintiffs have not provided any studies, reports, or data for the Court to conduct a "statistical inquiry" into whether stun guns and tasers are in common use."

How do you prove that something is in common use when it's been illegal for years, and even if it has been legal, as you said, it's still on the books. Many people won't buy the devices because they think they are illegal, even if they're not. So they can never come into common use.
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When SCOTUS ruled they were legal, whoever wrote the decision said they are in common use. Had this dumb in NY ass read the decision... oh wait, they just don't give a fuck.
 
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Acer-m14 said:
the pepper balls contain to many hot peppers according to NYS pepper spray laws .. last i heard ..

your talking about this correct ... not allowed in NYS ..

new york , new york means the rest of the state .. because every zip code in NYS = NYC to online stores ..

you can try to order one and see what happens ..

byrna.com

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They sell them at two local shops. Perfectly legal currently.
 
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Completely ridiculous, obviously, to ban these things.

The only up side I suppose is that tasers are much pretty much trash as a self defense tool overall, often not doing what they're suposed to or having the intended effect, and stun guns have always been an absolute joke; basically a novelty item. Honestly, I believe stun guns put people in more danger, by giving them the idea that they have any even remotely effective form of self defense.
 
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Oh, you can bet cold cash that the Socialist Republic of New York will address the pepper guns and tie up all the loose ends of freedom on owning and selling these mechanism's to the point that you probably will need a permit to grow Chili's in your back yard.
Fuck this shit hole.
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Carry whatever you need to make you feel safe! Again, DEFENSE is a RIGHT.

Heaven forbid you should need it, and don't have it... You'll have instant regret. The reverse is true as well, that you properly prepared and protected yourself and encountered a life preservation event. Can worry about the mess afterwards, but you'll be here to worry about it! End of story!

If you follow the Progressive Agenda, you are to submit to the will of the aggressor, good be up your worldly belongings and beg for mercy! Don't forget to jump out a window of there is one in your home and you're invaded by a hostile assailant... Lol

FucK all that noice and nonsense!
 
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Do not, repeatedly, use a stun gun--- over and over, on a home invading perp..............the law says you have to shoot them, say the Twins, but not until you unlock the trigger lock, and have id'd yourself, and your weapon........... and have ordered them to retreat.
 
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Heres what is so blatantly unconstitutional, and the left constantly uses it.

They ban something/make it illegal to own, then use the argument that its "not in common use" so its not protected under the 2a. Well of course its not in common use because youve made it either ILLEGAL or unaffordable for the common person.
 
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Heres what is so blatantly unconstitutional, and the left constantly uses it.

They ban something/make it illegal to own, then use the argument that its "not in common use" so its not protected under the 2a. Well of course its not in common use because youve made it either ILLEGAL or unaffordable for the common person.
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Which is why I never liked the "in common use" idea as a means to protect something.
Anything that is "new" would never be able to reach the "in common use" level.
 
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Is ridiculously obtuse to the idea of our founders "recognizing" what is or might be a "Right"...

It wasn't and isn't necessarily only those Rights discussed to be acknowledged, not created or established by committees... Neither is "common use" a criteria by which establishes anything other than a common use. But shall a single person discover and deploy a methodology utilized in order to effectuate what "IS" recognized as a Right, I fail to see ANY encumbrances employed in its use as being anything other than a Restriction or Defacto Restriction of said Right(s).

Common Use is nothing more than a "Good Character" clause, or Safe Storage, or Need, etc... That these municipalities employ in order to Stop a Citizen from exercising a Right, here, one of the most fundamental, the Right to Defense (preserve life)... Can't understand how something so simple, can be so bastardized by the Left leaning liberal mindset! But this can be tracked back to the Hunters and Gatherers for sure... The difference when society split between those who worked to feed the masses, and those specifically employees to man the wall and fight for those who couldn't fight for themselves! Anyways...
 
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MAGA MUST BE DISARMED for world freedom............... DEPORT ALL MAGA...............CCP DEMANDS IT.
 
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