How Long Would Society Last During a Total Grid Collapse?

tirwin1 · Sep 25, 2023

We may find out sooner than you think:

The Destruction of the United States Is Intentional. Here's What Will Happen Next.

For just over two and a half years, Joe Biden and/or his puppet masters (see Barack Obama, Susan Ric

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I hope he's wrong, but I fear he is correct.

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 25, 2023

GOPerfect said:
It is a wonder that our ancestors survived.

There will many that would die off very quickly if a real, World wide SHTF were to occur. There would be many that will thrive in a full SHFT.

No just about food, water, warmth and shelter. There are many that will not survive due to their lack of deep survival instincts.

I am not talking about the basics of the food and water, the instinct to really survive. The aloneness, the ability to put self and family first. Many will say that they will be able to do what needs to be done, the truth is, most civilized people will not have what it takes deep down.

You have a well, as you willing to do needed and necessary to protect that well? So many will say yes, they will be willing to anything to protect it. Put down a child trying to steal the water? A nice family that is passing through looking for a quick drink? Are you going to share the water? If so, as the people leave, they will tell others where they can get fresh water. How many people will you give water to before you say no and put a serious stop to the visitors?

So many people can do nothing, they have no skills, no trades, no survival instinct. They have some canned goods and a few bags of seeds. They think they will be just fine. They will fail.

Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.

I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

GOPerfect · Sep 25, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.

I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Said perfectly.

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 25, 2023

lrick said:
Yuri Bezmenov is the #1 reason I find myself second guessing my own assumptions at times and considering the idea that things are not what they seem. Even Ukraine. Those that have been around a while, may remember how the left was much more aligned with and friendly towards Russia during the 80's & 90's, while the right was opposite. Looks like things have flipped in *some* ways, at least with regard to the war.

Hell, if they wiped out all the gun laws tomorrow, I might even find myself suspecting the reason was to arm all the invaders they've allowed into the country. In any case, it wouldn't be out of respect for my rights.

It's scary as hell when you try to micro analyze everything what the implications might mean.

spat · Sep 25, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.

I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Natural selection is a critical force for the health of a population.

We have essentially turned it off with modern "safety at all costs" culture.

We will either need to eliminate that, or we will become extinct, and that path to extinction is avery *very* ugly one.

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 25, 2023

lrick said:
Thinking about this the other day and I haven't seen anyone mention the potential of fires as a side effect of a solar flare or EMP.

The Carrington Event of 1859 was a massive solar flare. At the time our "grid" was limited to the infant telegraph system, but it resulted in fires in many telegraph stations. Imagine what that might look like today. House fires would spring up left and right, with no decent means of fighting them.

That would immediately put people out of there homes looking for shelter.

I've decided as part of my preps, I'm investing in more fire extinguishers. The first thing I'm doing if all goes dark is disconnect my main power and check every part of my house for any sign of fire. If I catch it early, I have a chance.

Also, a solar storm has a lingering effect. Telegraph operators found they could disconnect their batteries and run on auroral current. But for us I assume it could mean a lingering hazard.

Depending on who you listen to, there are people who suspect we are approaching a similar solar cycle pattern as the one that generated the Carrington event

Uninformed and Compliant · Sep 25, 2023

The more the poles move, the weaker the field appears to get. It is claimed to be 3/4s of what it was in 1900. And it's crashing somewhat quickly.

1859 is the year the northern pole really took off. And it is accelerating. It is also that Carrington year. Nobody realized those two things coincided until a couple of years ago.

Curious that since then, so many polar position plots lately all seem to start at 1900, or relabel '59 as 1850. They didn't used to do that. All the plots from 2010 and 2015 all showed the pole getting flicked at 1859.

JaguarJaguarGolf · Sep 25, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Depending on who you listen to, there are people who suspect we are approaching a similar solar cycle pattern as the one that generated the Carrington event

Northern Lights have been visible much further south than usual this past summer

GOPerfect · Sep 25, 2023

This goes to needing a reset and a redo.

Go back to smaller communities. Tribes. Learn the skills of Earth. Hunting, gathering, farming. Simple building, simple life.

Some will be able and the majority will not. I am okay with that.

FP1201 · Sep 25, 2023

spat said:
Natural selection is a critical force for the health of a population.

We have essentially turned it off with modern "safety at all costs" culture.

We will either need to eliminate that, or we will become extinct, and that path to extinction is a very *very* ugly one.

The whole purpose of War is population reduction disguised as avenging some indignation, or over natural resources.
The woo-flu was supposed to kill millions, putting infected people into nursing homes was to reduce the elderly and disabled, which depend very heavily on Medicare/Medicade.
This huge number of Military Age males illegally crossing the Southern Border probably aren't too clear about their role, but I'll just bet you there's someone, somewhere, that they either report to or will answer to. Then there's the logistics of arming, supplying, and regulating them,
If the conspiracy theories are true about the clot-shot and there is a sudden die off attributed to it, this will destroy and semblance of civility, and those that are here illegally from around the world are going to be assimilated, and will do so without the push-back from the middle class as those that don't die from the shot will likely succumb from things such as not having survival skills, no medications, stupidity, isolation, etc.
Pray to God it's all bullshit and nothing's going to happen, but if you haven't trimmed your wicks, you're going to be fucked.

GOPerfect · Sep 25, 2023

lrick said:
Trouble is that those that do have the means even marginally so, will have to fight off those that don't have any at all. That will cost towards furthering a small communities cumulative skill-sets.

This country pissed away all civil defense programs decades ago and that is area that many countries outgun us in a big way.

This goes back to my response a few posts ago. Not all men have what it takes to fully protect themselves, their families and their possessions.

Lots and lots will say they can and they will do whatever it takes, but until you do it, most do not know.

Uninformed and Compliant · Sep 25, 2023

Gonna be a lot of people who've never done this, thinking they can do this.

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 27, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.

I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Here's the daily story about idiots who will not last long once society can't protect them from themselves.

Video of mother’s dangerous behavior at national park sparks outrage: ‘[It] truly makes my heart hurt’

"I think the phrase we’re looking for is 'child endangerment.'"

news.yahoo.com

These stories happen daily if not hourly

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 28, 2023

@GOPerfect or any other LEOs here

How accurate is this video? What type of discussions are law enforcement members having amongst themselves right now? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly

GOPerfect · Sep 28, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
@GOPerfect or any other LEOs here

How accurate is this video? What type of discussions are law enforcement members having amongst themselves right now? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly

I watched the video. He makes a few good points, some of his points made though, are not just about LEO and organizations. As for the point that he made about how cops are preparing and their families, non-LEO people I know are doing far more than the officers that I know.

I have not been to work for quite some time, I am not fully up to speed on department conversations at the moment. I do speak with a lot of co-workers about the happenings at work though.

My department has added extra people to different areas of importance, created a few additional positions as well. I do not think anything major.

I am not part of a big city department, things, I am sure, are different within different types of departments.

I do read a lot of what everyday people are talking about, the conversations are NOT good and positive.

Robin · Sep 30, 2023

My goodness.
Robin

Deplorable Me · Sep 30, 2023

GOPerfect said:
I watched the video. He makes a few good points, some of his points made though, are not just about LEO and organizations. As for the point that he made about how cops are preparing and their families, non-LEO people I know are doing far more than the officers that I know.

I have not been to work for quite some time, I am not fully up to speed on department conversations at the moment. I do speak with a lot of co-workers about the happenings at work though.

My department has added extra people to different areas of importance, created a few additional positions as well. I do not think anything major.

I am not part of a big city department, things, I am sure, are different within different types of departments.

I do read a lot of what everyday people are talking about, the conversations are NOT good and positive.

Living in the US as of late is prone to depress anyone paying attention. It's like being on the Titanic and knowing the outcome. The most incompetent management ever is at the helm. When my normally optimistic wife becomes cynical I know we are in deep shit. At least I'm in good company.

Defilade · Sep 30, 2023

My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

thughes · Sep 30, 2023

Defilade said:
My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

Leave her behind and worry about yourself.

I'm going to need troops on the perimeter, pm me if you're interested.

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 30, 2023

thughes said:
Leave her behind and worry about yourself.

I'm going to need troops on the perimeter, pm me if you're interested.

Go on..... tell me more

Drinkthekoolaid · Sep 30, 2023

Defilade said:
My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

That is it in a 10 second text.

Normalcy bias is real and people don't like the idea of uncomfortable thoughts and try to be willfully ignorant.

thughes · Sep 30, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Go on..... tell me more

HMU once you make your escape from NY.

Drinkthekoolaid · Oct 1, 2023

thughes said:
HMU once you make your escape from NY.

I forgot, what part of KY are you in?

Truebeliever · Oct 2, 2023

pshift said:
NYC? 72 hours tops before it becomes uninhabitable beyond repair.

Suburbs? 1 week

Elsewhere? What is your stockpile? 2 weeks? 2 Months? Root cellar? Bunker? Abandoned fort?

NYC? Just 72 hours? Not really . It’s a mixed bag. Some neighborhoods yes, others no. Just a power outage? They had that during Superstorm Sandy. Manhattan below certain streets didn’t have power for days . Some places it was for weeks. Long Island was out for weeks .
A full blast EMP like in the books ? Where cars are down too? That’s a different story .

Truebeliever · Oct 2, 2023

lrick said:
Yup. And it seems we are overdue for a Carrington size event. Not if, but when.

This is pretty well done episode covering the impact of a massive solar flare. Regardless of the cause for a grid collapse, this is what to expect.

Just came across this vid from Canadian Prepper. 21 hours ago, maybe old news by now. Maybe nothing but thought I'd share. I usually take the prepper channels that sell shit with a grain of salt.

The earth’s orbit had missed some recently

Earth to Have Third Near-Miss With Solar Eruption in a Week

Solar interference with Earth's magnetic field may spark northern lights over Alaska and Canada.

www.newsweek.com

Close Call: Destructive Solar Blasts Narrowly Missed Earth in 2012

Had they hit, the fierce solar blasts could have badly damaged electrical grids and disabled satellites in space, U.S. researchers say.

www.nbcnews.com

thughes · Oct 2, 2023

Drinkthekoolaid said:
I forgot, what part of KY are you in?

South of Ohio, north of Tennessee.

spat · Oct 8, 2023

Truebeliever said:
NYC? Just 72 hours? Not really . It’s a mixed bag. Some neighborhoods yes, others no. Just a power outage? They had that during Superstorm Sandy. Manhattan below certain streets didn’t have power for days . Some places it was for weeks. Long Island was out for weeks .
A full blast EMP like in the books ? Where cars are down too? That’s a different story .

Most cars are actually pretty EMP resistant. Their normal operation has a shit ton of electrical noise, so the electronics are built to be very resistant. They do not have long runs of wiring, and most of it is inside the metal shell.

They're not hardened like a military jet, but most of them would survive even a nuclear or
Carrington event sized EMP. It's likely the computers would crash, and many would stall out, or even not start, but a reboot would likely fix it (i.e. disconnect the battery for half an hour and try again).

The danger is more to the power grid and telecommunication systems, which would be enough to throw civilization into chaos.

spat · May 24, 2025

Since the thread was resurrected, I think the recent grid collapse in Spain is probably the most interesting related event.

I think it demonstrates that it's not how long the power has been out for that matters.

It's how long people think it will be before it comes up.

Power's down for a week, but everyone expects it to be back "soon", most areas will muddle through.

But even if it's just down 24 hours, but people *expect* it to stay down for a very long time, then things get sporty real quick.

Jmac00 · May 24, 2025

it's the kids that will revolt first. If they can't charge those cell phone, billions of parents will be demanding answers as to when the power will be back :nervous:

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