How Long Would Society Last During a Total Grid Collapse?

[tirwin1]

We may find out sooner than you think:

The Destruction of the United States Is Intentional. Here's What Will Happen Next.

For just over two and a half years, Joe Biden and/or his puppet masters (see Barack Obama, Susan Ric

pjmedia.com

I hope he's wrong, but I fear he is correct.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It is a wonder that our ancestors survived.

There will many that would die off very quickly if a real, World wide SHTF were to occur. There would be many that will thrive in a full SHFT.

No just about food, water, warmth and shelter. There are many that will not survive due to their lack of deep survival instincts.

I am not talking about the basics of the food and water, the instinct to really survive. The aloneness, the ability to put self and family first. Many will say that they will be able to do what needs to be done, the truth is, most civilized people will not have what it takes deep down.

You have a well, as you willing to do needed and necessary to protect that well? So many will say yes, they will be willing to anything to protect it. Put down a child trying to steal the water? A nice family that is passing through looking for a quick drink? Are you going to share the water? If so, as the people leave, they will tell others where they can get fresh water. How many people will you give water to before you say no and put a serious stop to the visitors?

So many people can do nothing, they have no skills, no trades, no survival instinct. They have some canned goods and a few bags of seeds. They think they will be just fine. They will fail.

Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.


I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

 

[livingston]

Years ago I was on a prepper site. A person said he owned like a few hundred acres and his home was right in the middle . The land was flat and he could see every corner of his land . Made the claim if anyone set foot on his land he would kill them... His guns were sighted in. to do so....
When this time comes what will happen when a girl and child decides to sit under a road side tree on his land ....He kills them both ? ... Them what... Will the husband and father show up with 20 other family members ready to avenge this wrong....I can see 2 am a firebomb goes through the window setting that house on fire.... Waiting for said killer to exit. ... You kill someone for just sitting under a shade tree on a hot summer day ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.


I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Said perfectly.

 

[lrick]

We may find out sooner than you think:

The Destruction of the United States Is Intentional. Here's What Will Happen Next.

For just over two and a half years, Joe Biden and/or his puppet masters (see Barack Obama, Susan Ric

pjmedia.com

I hope he's wrong, but I fear he is correct.

Yuri Bezmenov is the #1 reason I find myself second guessing my own assumptions at times and considering the idea that things are not what they seem. Even Ukraine. Those that have been around a while, may remember how the left was much more aligned with and friendly towards Russia during the 80's & 90's, while the right was opposite. Looks like things have flipped in *some* ways, at least with regard to the war.

Hell, if they wiped out all the gun laws tomorrow, I might even find myself suspecting the reason was to arm all the invaders they've allowed into the country. In any case, it wouldn't be out of respect for my rights.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yuri Bezmenov is the #1 reason I find myself second guessing my own assumptions at times and considering the idea that things are not what they seem. Even Ukraine. Those that have been around a while, may remember how the left was much more aligned with and friendly towards Russia during the 80's & 90's, while the right was opposite. Looks like things have flipped in *some* ways, at least with regard to the war.

Hell, if they wiped out all the gun laws tomorrow, I might even find myself suspecting the reason was to arm all the invaders they've allowed into the country. In any case, it wouldn't be out of respect for my rights.

It's scary as hell when you try to micro analyze everything what the implications might mean.

 

[lrick]

Thinking about this the other day and I haven't seen anyone mention the potential of fires as a side effect of a solar flare or EMP.

The Carrington Event of 1859 was a massive solar flare. At the time our "grid" was limited to the infant telegraph system, but it resulted in fires in many telegraph stations. Imagine what that might look like today. House fires would spring up left and right, with no decent means of fighting them.

That would immediately put people out of there homes looking for shelter.

I've decided as part of my preps, I'm investing in more fire extinguishers. The first thing I'm doing if all goes dark is disconnect my main power and check every part of my house for any sign of fire. If I catch it early, I have a chance.

Also, a solar storm has a lingering effect. Telegraph operators found they could disconnect their batteries and run on auroral current. But for us I assume it could mean a lingering hazard.

 

[lrick]

It's scary as hell when you try to micro analyze everything what the implications might mean.

I know what you mean. I try not to get too bogged down by details and try to look at things from higher elevation. Helps me keep my sanity.

 

[spat]

Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.


I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Natural selection is a critical force for the health of a population.

We have essentially turned it off with modern "safety at all costs" culture.

We will either need to eliminate that, or we will become extinct, and that path to extinction is avery *very* ugly one.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Thinking about this the other day and I haven't seen anyone mention the potential of fires as a side effect of a solar flare or EMP.

The Carrington Event of 1859 was a massive solar flare. At the time our "grid" was limited to the infant telegraph system, but it resulted in fires in many telegraph stations. Imagine what that might look like today. House fires would spring up left and right, with no decent means of fighting them.

That would immediately put people out of there homes looking for shelter.

I've decided as part of my preps, I'm investing in more fire extinguishers. The first thing I'm doing if all goes dark is disconnect my main power and check every part of my house for any sign of fire. If I catch it early, I have a chance.

Also, a solar storm has a lingering effect. Telegraph operators found they could disconnect their batteries and run on auroral current. But for us I assume it could mean a lingering hazard.

Depending on who you listen to, there are people who suspect we are approaching a similar solar cycle pattern as the one that generated the Carrington event

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

The more the poles move, the weaker the field appears to get. It is claimed to be 3/4s of what it was in 1900. And it's crashing somewhat quickly.

1859 is the year the northern pole really took off. And it is accelerating. It is also that Carrington year. Nobody realized those two things coincided until a couple of years ago.

Curious that since then, so many polar position plots lately all seem to start at 1900, or relabel '59 as 1850. They didn't used to do that. All the plots from 2010 and 2015 all showed the pole getting flicked at 1859.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Depending on who you listen to, there are people who suspect we are approaching a similar solar cycle pattern as the one that generated the Carrington event

Northern Lights have been visible much further south than usual this past summer

 

[lrick]

Northern Lights have been visible much further south than usual this past summer

Yup, I've noticed the last couple years there's greater interest and forecasts hit the national news more often. Like something is coming, just a matter of when, not if.

 

[GOPerfect]

This goes to needing a reset and a redo.

Go back to smaller communities. Tribes. Learn the skills of Earth. Hunting, gathering, farming. Simple building, simple life.

Some will be able and the majority will not. I am okay with that.

 

[lrick]

Does this mean we can get off of blaming the gun and blame the lights instead?

 

[FP1201]

Natural selection is a critical force for the health of a population.

We have essentially turned it off with modern "safety at all costs" culture.

We will either need to eliminate that, or we will become extinct, and that path to extinction is a very *very* ugly one.

The whole purpose of War is population reduction disguised as avenging some indignation, or over natural resources.
The woo-flu was supposed to kill millions, putting infected people into nursing homes was to reduce the elderly and disabled, which depend very heavily on Medicare/Medicade.
This huge number of Military Age males illegally crossing the Southern Border probably aren't too clear about their role, but I'll just bet you there's someone, somewhere, that they either report to or will answer to. Then there's the logistics of arming, supplying, and regulating them,
If the conspiracy theories are true about the clot-shot and there is a sudden die off attributed to it, this will destroy and semblance of civility, and those that are here illegally from around the world are going to be assimilated, and will do so without the push-back from the middle class as those that don't die from the shot will likely succumb from things such as not having survival skills, no medications, stupidity, isolation, etc.
Pray to God it's all bullshit and nothing's going to happen, but if you haven't trimmed your wicks, you're going to be fucked.

 

[lrick]

Depending on who you listen to, there are people who suspect we are approaching a similar solar cycle pattern as the one that generated the Carrington event

Yup. And it seems we are overdue for a Carrington size event. Not if, but when.

This is pretty well done episode covering the impact of a massive solar flare. Regardless of the cause for a grid collapse, this is what to expect.



Just came across this vid from Canadian Prepper. 21 hours ago, maybe old news by now. Maybe nothing but thought I'd share. I usually take the prepper channels that sell shit with a grain of salt.

 

[lrick]

This goes to needing a reset and a redo.

Go back to smaller communities. Tribes. Learn the skills of Earth. Hunting, gathering, farming. Simple building, simple life.

Some will be able and the majority will not. I am okay with that.

Trouble is that those that do have the means even marginally so, will have to fight off those that don't have any at all. That will cost towards furthering a small communities cumulative skill-sets.

This country pissed away all civil defense programs decades ago and that is area that many countries outgun us in a big way.

 

[GOPerfect]

Trouble is that those that do have the means even marginally so, will have to fight off those that don't have any at all. That will cost towards furthering a small communities cumulative skill-sets.

This country pissed away all civil defense programs decades ago and that is area that many countries outgun us in a big way.

This goes back to my response a few posts ago. Not all men have what it takes to fully protect themselves, their families and their possessions.

Lots and lots will say they can and they will do whatever it takes, but until you do it, most do not know.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Gonna be a lot of people who've never done this, thinking they can do this.

 

[lrick]

This goes back to my response a few posts ago. Not all men have what it takes to fully protect themselves, their families and their possessions.

Lots and lots will say they can and they will do whatever it takes, but until you do it, most do not know.

I get what you mean.

I just meant that lots of good, useful people will die no matter what their level of skill, preps or will. As long as they have something someone else wants they are a target. Even the greatest shit hot operators can be outnumbered.

Like Stalin said, "Quantity has a quality all its own."

I think you're definitely right about living off the land. The gray man that can live off the land has the best chance of survival and anything more than that he can get and keep is a luxury. At least until those tribes that can fend for themselves take form.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Take it even a step farther. Many have lost total common sense.

Every year you hear multiple stories about Incredibly stupid things like people dying because GPS directions told them to turn left into the ocean and they follow directions and drive into the ocean. These people are out there and live in society.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_GPS

People die every year because they go in the ocean not knowing how to swim. They die every year because they go hiking in the desert in summer without water.

People walk up to dangerous wild animals in parks to take pictures. People hang over cliffs to take selfies.

People can witness a horrible event about to plainly and obviously happen but will have a complete inability to process it and take action to do something.

People have lost the most basic common sense and survival instincts.


I really go back to some of Calhoun's famous experiments about mouse utopia and behavioral sink and I'm shocked at the parallels that one can draw to current day western society.

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People do incredibly stupid things now that they should die from but are completely oblivious to their own risks or mortal danger. Totally self centered ignorant self awareness. Completely oblivious.

Countless people have been kept alive by society and have had their bad decisions protected by a robust medical system and emergency services. Those morons are raising generations of bigger more oblivious lemmings who can't think past 9 second TikTok videos.

Here's the daily story about idiots who will not last long once society can't protect them from themselves.

Video of mother’s dangerous behavior at national park sparks outrage: ‘[It] truly makes my heart hurt’

"I think the phrase we’re looking for is 'child endangerment.'"

news.yahoo.com

These stories happen daily if not hourly

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

@GOPerfect or any other LEOs here

How accurate is this video? What type of discussions are law enforcement members having amongst themselves right now? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly

 

[GOPerfect]

@GOPerfect or any other LEOs here

How accurate is this video? What type of discussions are law enforcement members having amongst themselves right now? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly

I watched the video. He makes a few good points, some of his points made though, are not just about LEO and organizations. As for the point that he made about how cops are preparing and their families, non-LEO people I know are doing far more than the officers that I know.

I have not been to work for quite some time, I am not fully up to speed on department conversations at the moment. I do speak with a lot of co-workers about the happenings at work though.

My department has added extra people to different areas of importance, created a few additional positions as well. I do not think anything major.

I am not part of a big city department, things, I am sure, are different within different types of departments.

I do read a lot of what everyday people are talking about, the conversations are NOT good and positive.

 

[Robin]

My goodness.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

I watched the video. He makes a few good points, some of his points made though, are not just about LEO and organizations. As for the point that he made about how cops are preparing and their families, non-LEO people I know are doing far more than the officers that I know.

I have not been to work for quite some time, I am not fully up to speed on department conversations at the moment. I do speak with a lot of co-workers about the happenings at work though.

My department has added extra people to different areas of importance, created a few additional positions as well. I do not think anything major.

I am not part of a big city department, things, I am sure, are different within different types of departments.

I do read a lot of what everyday people are talking about, the conversations are NOT good and positive.

Living in the US as of late is prone to depress anyone paying attention. It's like being on the Titanic and knowing the outcome. The most incompetent management ever is at the helm. When my normally optimistic wife becomes cynical I know we are in deep shit. At least I'm in good company.

 

[Defilade]

My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

 

[thughes]

My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

Leave her behind and worry about yourself.

I'm going to need troops on the perimeter, pm me if you're interested.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Leave her behind and worry about yourself.

I'm going to need troops on the perimeter, pm me if you're interested.

Go on..... tell me more

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My wife wants to ignore everything. I tell her 2019 was along time ago. She knows everything is collapsing but doesn't want to address the negative because it is too much to understand and handle.

That is it in a 10 second text.

Normalcy bias is real and people don't like the idea of uncomfortable thoughts and try to be willfully ignorant.