Do you want to see the US involvement against Iran or do you want to sit this one out.
Let's see what y'all think.
Let's see what y'all think.
Do you support US involvement against Iran
- Thread starter Drinkthekoolaid
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I voted, no.
I do not want to get dragged into another war. Iran is not currently attacking us. I want to focus on America first and our homeland. I want a more isolationist position.
I do not want to get dragged into another war. Iran is not currently attacking us. I want to focus on America first and our homeland. I want a more isolationist position.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
I love this "dragged in" view. Iran has been killing Americans since 1979. Just a few off the top of my head: the hostages; the 1983 marine bombing; Khobar towers; all the servicemen killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by Iranian-produced IEDs and EFPs used by Iran-trained insurgents.
And when a country has a national policy that says "Death to America" I believe them and don't want them to have any offensive weapons at all.
And when a country has a national policy that says "Death to America" I believe them and don't want them to have any offensive weapons at all.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
We lose more people in Chicago in a weekend.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i vote for Glass
Fuck. NO!
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I believe we are quite involved already.
Depick
.308 Win
No, many Americans paid a high price to topple one regime in that part of the world. I do not want to see a repeat.
We have enough problems on our own soil. We don’t need to search out more.
We have enough problems on our own soil. We don’t need to search out more.
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It's always easier to start a war than end it. Our track record over the past 25 years is horrible.
Let's assume we bomb the underground facility and it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. The ayatollahs are toppled. What comes next? How do we know what a future government would do? There is no history of democracy in that country so I doubt it would be unicorns and rainbows.
Let's assume we bomb the underground facility and it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. The ayatollahs are toppled. What comes next? How do we know what a future government would do? There is no history of democracy in that country so I doubt it would be unicorns and rainbows.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The real question is: "Do you believe that the Islamic Revolutionary regime in Iran wants to harm The United States?"
The Iranian regime routinely opens their legislative sessions with chanting "Death to America! " Does that chant represent a real desire and intention?
This Iranian regime has supplied knowledge, material, and labor to produce IEDs that killed and maimed hundreds of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This Iranian regime already believes that they are at war with us and our allies. Our desire not to engage them will not curry their good favor.
As has been said, when there is desire to end a conflict, your opponent gets a say. An opponent is not defeated until he sees himself so.
Some will make a case that if we bomb a sovereign country, we declare war on that country. Well, like it or not, the other country is already at war with us.
Thus, if one believes that a nuclear Iran would use their technology to bring death and destruction upon Americans at home and abroad, then the answer is clear. Eliminate the threat. Destroy the ability of a totalitarian theocracy to reach out and harm our countrymen and our homeland.
We do not need to invade Iran.
We do not need to militarily engage in regime change.
We simply need to protect ourselves.
If a few B2 sorties with GBU-57 bombs can, as we say in defensive firearms training, end the threat, then we should do so.
The Iranian regime routinely opens their legislative sessions with chanting "Death to America! " Does that chant represent a real desire and intention?
This Iranian regime has supplied knowledge, material, and labor to produce IEDs that killed and maimed hundreds of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This Iranian regime already believes that they are at war with us and our allies. Our desire not to engage them will not curry their good favor.
As has been said, when there is desire to end a conflict, your opponent gets a say. An opponent is not defeated until he sees himself so.
Some will make a case that if we bomb a sovereign country, we declare war on that country. Well, like it or not, the other country is already at war with us.
Thus, if one believes that a nuclear Iran would use their technology to bring death and destruction upon Americans at home and abroad, then the answer is clear. Eliminate the threat. Destroy the ability of a totalitarian theocracy to reach out and harm our countrymen and our homeland.
We do not need to invade Iran.
We do not need to militarily engage in regime change.
We simply need to protect ourselves.
If a few B2 sorties with GBU-57 bombs can, as we say in defensive firearms training, end the threat, then we should do so.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
If we topple this one and install our "democratically elected" president Salami, Saudi Arabia will have to become our new boogie man in the middle east.
Unless we turn on Israel at that point...
Unless we turn on Israel at that point...
C3D
.338 Win Mag
You should brush up on your history. 241 Marines were killed in the 1983 attack (as well as about 70 French soldiers). And tens of thousands of US servicemen were killed or crippled by Iranian IEDs in Iraq and Iran.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I voted other. It’s hard and I want to say no but I truly see Israel as our one true friend in the world. Others might say they are but do not act like it. Israel is different. Iran can not be allowed to have nukes so I get that and this position but I do not want to see WWIII either and is getting involved would be an escalation. I’d like to see diplomacy but Iran’s leadership is not rational. Us getting involved also isn’t really a fair fight auto speak but I’m only afraid if China gets involved and as long as we allow China to buy their oil I don’t see that happening.
Really????????
They had a democracy and a good secular leader. We and the British overthrew his democratically elected government.
A CIA-backed 1953 coup in Iran haunts the country with people still trying to make sense of it
Seventy years after a CIA-orchestrated coup toppled Iran’s prime minister, its legacy remains both contentious and complicated for the Islamic Republic as tensions stay high with the United States.
apnews.com
Trump ran on "America First".
Sorry, bitches, even poking around the edge of other people's wars is none of our fucking business.
But still, some dumb motherfuckers just blindly follow Neo-Con shitweasels like Graham, Bolton, etc right off a cliff.
Morons.
We have a war - right here in CONUS - arresting, imprisoning or deporting MILLIONS of illegal aliens.
We should have been done and gone, and all funding deep sixed, from the Ukraine/Russia AO within 7 days of the Inauguration.
Iran supplies 80% of China's oil - think they'll be OK with that?
Japan wasn't right before WWII, and yes FDR did do it on purpose. He was a Neo-Con.
Sorry, bitches, even poking around the edge of other people's wars is none of our fucking business.
But still, some dumb motherfuckers just blindly follow Neo-Con shitweasels like Graham, Bolton, etc right off a cliff.
Morons.
We have a war - right here in CONUS - arresting, imprisoning or deporting MILLIONS of illegal aliens.
We should have been done and gone, and all funding deep sixed, from the Ukraine/Russia AO within 7 days of the Inauguration.
Iran supplies 80% of China's oil - think they'll be OK with that?
Japan wasn't right before WWII, and yes FDR did do it on purpose. He was a Neo-Con.
I completely get this point. I truly do.
I also completely get the point that Iran IRGC was helping Iraqis kill US military members in OIF and OEF
My counter to that point should be, we should have responded at that time. Not hold a grudge for 40 years and use an event than happened 4 decades ago to be held up as justification for an action today.
We can argue or debate whether we should have been in Iraq in the first place and if we weren't there we wouldn't have been fighting an IRGC supported insurgency. And to be fair, by that logic isn't what Iran did pretty darn similar to what we are doing to Russia today? Should Russia have justification to attack the US because we are openly and clandestinely enabling Ukraine to kill many Russians and destroying Russian aircraft and tanks?
We got sulemani and he was an asshole and got what he deserved.
At some point we have to make a decision that 2 wrongs don't make a right and if we don't pull out of these conflicts we're always going to be caught in a never ending loop of "an eye for an eye".
Do I trust Iran? No. But do I think they are some evil masterminds plotting our destruction? Not likely. I think they loathe Israel but if we kept to ourselves I don't think Iran would give 2 shits about us. I think they don't like us because we are a dominant player in their sandbox.
It's essentially the same point of if I was Iran I wouldn't trust the west to uphold peace if we disarm. Look what happened to qadaffi And Libya. The guy actually agreed to our terms and was seeking peace and we off'd him and destroyed the country into civil war. Yes that turned out great. Iran and every other country out there will remember that lesson. We here surely wouldn't trust our government if we were told we had to turn in our guns.
I don't trust the constant search for the next Boogeyman to keep propping up the military industrial complex and fighting wars for bankers. If they have their way after they wipe out Iran, next on the menu will be NK because, yea know... They teach their kids to play games like death to the American too and we can't trust them either.
I want to return to isolationism. Focus on America.
I think we are at war already and have been for decades, the American public is just too occupied to notice.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Noted your view, but Iran killing Americans isn't just historic -- it's happening today:
Isolationism doesn't work if the person sworn to your destruction builds nukes and delivers them here in the CONUS. How do I know that's what Iran would do? Because again they said they are committed to "Death to America" as national policy.
repete
.338 Win Mag
I voted 'other'. I did so because I know what will happen, good Americans will be sent over there to die under a stupid set of ROE that favor the enemy more than our troops. All the while defense companies and their paid for congress critters will do nothing but get richer.
If and I mean IF we really need to go that route then we do it 100% balls to the wall and kill em all! No fucking around year after year for possible decades, in and out!
If and I mean IF we really need to go that route then we do it 100% balls to the wall and kill em all! No fucking around year after year for possible decades, in and out!
pjzwtl
.308 Win
I have no problem with some bunkers or subterranean facilities being scorched from altitude but not much more.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
I`m more concerned with AFTER they hit them underground, with what kind of poison`s will boil to the surface and spread throughout the world.
This shit should have been dealt with a long fuckin time ago. But lets just let this fuckin government keep running its secret war machine instead.
This shit should have been dealt with a long fuckin time ago. But lets just let this fuckin government keep running its secret war machine instead.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Occupied, or just too fukkin stupid.
We continue to ignore and do nothing with the fukkers who are starting wars right here on our own god damn soil. Half the people in our own god damn country should be removed, and flown ONE WAY to a commie country of their choice.
The fukk happened to AMERICA FIRST, where did THAT go all of a sudden?!?!?!?!?! Nevermind, i already know.
It's the devil you know against the devil you don't know
I was disappointed that after the hostages were released back in 1980 that there was no repercussions back then that were truly meaningful
I was disgusted that the Obama boy released billions of dollars back to the goat fukkers for in essence a verbal agreement that there would be no effort to obtain nukes by Iran
I am conflicted in that if nothing is done at this critical point, uran will continue to be the world's leading exporters of terrorism
In my heart I say glass that fukkin country over, without prejudice
Completely leave nothing standing nor alive
I was disappointed that after the hostages were released back in 1980 that there was no repercussions back then that were truly meaningful
I was disgusted that the Obama boy released billions of dollars back to the goat fukkers for in essence a verbal agreement that there would be no effort to obtain nukes by Iran
I am conflicted in that if nothing is done at this critical point, uran will continue to be the world's leading exporters of terrorism
In my heart I say glass that fukkin country over, without prejudice
Completely leave nothing standing nor alive
In 1938 it would have been comparatively easy to stop Hitler, sparing millions of lives. Instead, the US wanted to remain isolated and England wanted peace at any price. Hitler told the world what he planned on doing in his book Mein Kampf and anyone who paid attention, sadly it seemed only Winston Churchill did, knew what was coming. Now we have a chance to end a regime whose stated goal is to destroy Israel, the US, and western civilization, comparatively easily. We can do it now, or we can wait, and the longer we wait the more difficult it will be. We won't be rebuilding a nation and culture that has no real knowledge or desire to live in a western style society, as Iran was once, not all that long ago, living just that.
As long as Trump is President I think the ROE's will favor our troops rather than enemy combatants.
Good thread so far.
Look reading everyone's opinions
Look reading everyone's opinions
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Fukkin....BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! And THAT contamination will spread around the whole god damn world!