Things are heating up in the Donbass

spat · Jun 8, 2025

holdover said:
This! You see this shit!!?? You do understand why this wont work right?

Yeah Im getting that from the fact that Ukraine citys are being bombed by missiles , Im getting that from the fact that patriots are not capeable of hitting hyper sonic missiles. You can see those facts on any news station chief,

It means nothing to you because you know nothing of How military's work . They have to ""what if ""everything, they have to wargame , they have to have contingency plans and doctrines , they dont fly by the seat of thier pants and guess, they dont go 100% balls to wall if they dont have to , its far to dangerous , they have to have reserves in case Poland decides to go it alone and move forces into Ukraine , they have reserves set aside for that purpose. thats just standard procedure for any modern military.

Yeah, I think Goperfect was right.

Can you specify what personal feelings ? because I have no idea what your talking about.

Yes, militaries have contingencies and plan out everything.

But that doesn't mean they can make *working* plans for everything. Sometimes the plan is just "we're fucked, but we'll do what we can", like the Pols sending guys on horseback to fight tanks.

But my point was that they have no way to counter something and you're just "they'll make a plan" as if that means they can pull some magic wand out of their ass to make it work.

The Iraqis had the 4th largest military on earth, and they had battle hardened troops and commanders from a decade long war against Iran.

They had detailed plans to defend their conquest in Kuwait. Fuck all good any of that did for them.

It would look like that if NATO decided to kick Russia out of Ukraine.

As for personal feelings, you seem to have some personal investment in the Russians being able to put up a fight against NATO. You have no idea how, but you're sure they can do it.

All you offer are vague "they have plans" or "their attitudes are different" or things like that. But you have no specifics about how any of that could translate into anything but mass casualties for them.

spat · Jun 9, 2025

holdover said:
that would be correct. But certainly the most likely and probable possibilities are going to be addressed. NATO or Poland entering the war would be a primary threat and contingency plans to deal with it have already been drawn up, and those plans require reserve forces . IM sure the Ukrainians have reserve forces posted in and around Kiev in the event of a Russian break through , and this demonstrates the point why you shouldn't go 100% , its to dangerous .

Apples and oranges, Shitty air defense, and no air force , wide open terrain , and the Iraqis were not exactly a high end military, they had some tough units from the republican guard and a lot of conscripts.

Im not sure how you equate the 2 military's as being equal , the US were useing new weapons systems that were unknown or not understood by Iraqi military. Russia has been dealing with a lot of advanced weapon systems that NATO has sent , and still moving forward .

Thats not what I said at all.

Baghdad was considered to have the most sophisticated air defense on the planet at the time.

We systematically dismantled that in hours.

Yep, they had lots of conscription, just like Russia.

And you keep talking about "they have plans" as if that *means* anything. Unless you have a suggestion about what is *in* those plans it's just hot air.

"The need to hold something in reserve for contingencies" only makes sense up to a point. If you have troops you will *never* deploy because you "need to keep them in reserve" then you might as well not have them.

Imagine France in early WWII being overrun by the Germans, but keeping a large reserve force in case Spain decided to get involved.

livingston · Jun 21, 2025

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.”
Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of Ukraine government, including govt payrolls, pensions, healthcare services, welfare and social services for the people in Ukraine.
The crazy thing is, unless Trump stops it, our congress will give it to him. And even if Trump tries to stop it, congress will demand the payment as part of their appropriations process.

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine - The Last Refuge

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.” [SOURCE] Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of...

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Drinkthekoolaid · Jun 22, 2025

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

TEOTWAWKI inc. · Jun 22, 2025

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Unless the goal was a forever war.

Mosinitis · Jun 22, 2025

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

spat · Jun 22, 2025

Mosinitis said:
Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

Mosinitis · Jun 22, 2025

spat said:
How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

Russia has air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

spat · Jun 22, 2025

Mosinitis said:
They have air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

You either don't understand the situation in Ukraine, or you don't know what air superiority means.

Mosinitis · Jul 8, 2025

Hysterical mother trying to save her son from Ukrainian conscription agents, collapses in the middle of a street.

Душераздирающая картина: мать умерла, пытаясь выбить сына из автобуса ТЦК

Сообщается, что все произошло в Мерефе Харьковской области.Мать пыталась остановить автобус ТЦК, в котором ехал ее сын. Женщина бежала за автобусом и пыталас...

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Mosinitis · Jul 16, 2025

Retired General Keane spills the beans. U.S pilots are flying F16's in Ukraine.

Mosinitis · Jul 18, 2025

Things are heating up between Ukraine and Hungary after Hungarian citizen was beaten to death by Ukrainian conscription agents.
Also in Ukraine a Hungarian church was set on fire with graffiti calling for murder of Madyars (Hungarians).

Hungarian Greek Catholic church set on fire in Transcarpathia, anti-Hungarian graffiti found - DailyNewsHungary

A Greek Catholic church was set on fire in Transcarpathia, Ukraine, with anti-Hungarian graffiti found on the site. The attack has sparked outrage in Hungary, prompting responses from top government officials.

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Drinkthekoolaid · Jul 18, 2025

Mosinitis said:
Retired General Keane spills the beans. U.S pilots are flying F16's in Ukraine.

Holy crap.

I really was expecting this to be some sort of mis speak or something taken out of context.

It was not.

That was far more clear and specific than I was expecting to hear. Damn.

He clearly lays it out. Twice in fact when given an opportunity to clarify or walk back his comment.

Retired USAF pilots are flying some of the F16s on behalf of Ukraine.

Wow.

Mosinitis · Jul 18, 2025

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Holy crap.

I really was expecting this to be some sort of mis speak or something taken out of context.

It was not.

That was far more clear and specific than I was expecting to hear. Damn.

He clearly lays it out. Twice in fact when given an opportunity to clarify or walk back his comment.

Retired USAF pilots are flying some of the F16s on behalf of Ukraine.

Wow.

The "retired" part gives plausible deniability, but they are working for U.S. government as contractors. It's a standard operating procedure.

Drinkthekoolaid · Jul 19, 2025

holdover said:
I dont know why Trump is continuing to pour money into that place. ROI is gone. Theres no chance Ukraine can turn it around now. Its past the point of no return .

I'm really wondering if Trump isn't just semi-controlled opposition at this point. I really have no idea what's going on anymore. Everything is a confusing frustrating mess. Down seems up and up seems down.

Is the deep state really this powerful?

Mosinitis · Jul 20, 2025

Drinkthekoolaid said:
I'm really wondering if Trump isn't just semi-controlled opposition at this point. I really have no idea what's going on anymore. Everything is a confusing frustrating mess. Down seems up and up seems down.

Is the deep state really this powerful?

Trump is trying to sit on two chairs, MAGA and neocon wings of the Republican party.
Russia will never be left alone, no matter what it does or who leads it.
All big non-Anglosaxon nations represent a threat to neocon idea of world domination. Multi-polar vs. One-polar world.

tirwin1 · Jul 22, 2025

Despite what Trump wants I think the military & intelligence agencies of both Russia and the US want the war to continue so they can use Ukraine as a testing ground for new technology, specifically drones.

Mosinitis · Jul 31, 2025

Russia's attacks on Ukrainian military mobilization centers is cheered and aided by Ukrainian people, who are getting sick and tired of being used as NATO's slaves.

https://www.rt.com/russia/622151-trc-ukraine-mobilization-death/

Robin · Jul 31, 2025

Pitin has gone round the bend. Vlad the Mad is an apt descriptor.
Robin

Mosinitis · Jul 31, 2025

Strategic defeat of Russia or ceasefire are not the only possible outcomes in this proxi-war. Obviously Russia will choose a victory. Considering how it was treated, it has every right to.

Robin · Aug 2, 2025

Total and daily combat losses of Russia in Ukraine

Interactive web app for tracking total and daily combat losses of Russia in Ukraine. Updated daily.

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Russia suffers huge losses this week, according to Kyiv

Moscow has likely sustained more than 335,000 casualties since the war began, the U.K. government said in early March.

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Yes, Vlad the Mad is making advances, the great conquering hero will stop at nothing. Until he has nothing. What a piece of shit.
Robin

fresch · Aug 2, 2025

If chi-na, Russia Russia Russia, and others are all into the land grab, we too can be.
Lets start with the U.S.A. takes everything from every country.
That is what President Trump is trying to do in a way, Greenland, Canada. They have no real military and the U.S.A. would need to be the military for them; shouldn't we also get some of the cream?
Recall I say, man hasn't changed only the technology and clothing have; you are watching history repeating in real time.

spat · Aug 2, 2025

holdover said:
Probably would have been better if NATO armies, Navie's and airbases and missile sites were on his door step in Donbass and Crimea

If he keeps going he may find out.

Do you think NATO will be OK with Russians on *their* doorstep ?

The difference is that NATO expands by getting countries to beg to be allowed to join.

Russia invades and keeps killing people until they are in control.

They are not the same.

spat · Aug 3, 2025

holdover said:
Of course theyre not the same, different circumstances, The US was ready to invade Cuba to stop the Soviet missiles from being placed there.

Its like China is going to build bases across from San Diago , and El Paso , throw in some naval bases Cancun , and Tiawana . the US would demand that Mexico not do that as its a direct threat to our homeland or they would be forced to invade. Mexico tells the US to fuck off and the US invades. The US doenst have the right to tell Mexico what to do But it has the right to tell them What the consequences will be regardless. The option for Mexico is on the table . Let china in and fight a war with the US or Cancel the Chinese plans and live in peace. Ukraine had the same option , pull out from its NATO application or face an inevitable invasion from Russia . the Ukrainians were also in breech of contract when they agreed they will remain nuetral and not join NATO. It was no secret that Russians would invade they have been saying that for 30 years . Now Ukraine is dealing with the consequences of its own actions

Probably not, but they should have thought about that before starting the war .

Repeat after me.

"Russia is not a superpower".

Would Poland be justified invading Belarus because they want a "buffer zone" against Russia ?

If not, then why would Russia be justified in invading Ukraine ?

Bottom line, NATO will not accept Russia in their border in Ukraine, and unlike Russia, NATO has the ability to stop that.

This whole thing is already a disaster for Russia. Their current government may not survive it.

They've irreparably damaged an entire generation, right in the middle of a demographic crisis. That alone might be their death knell.

But, their stated goal to "prevent NATO on their border" has failed miserably too. They have driven Finland into the arms of NATO. Even if they *did* take western Ukraine they'll *still* be worse off than they were.

Their military used to be respected on the world stage. Now it's a laughing stalk.

Putin's days are numbered, and the position he has built is not the sort of thing you retire peacefully from.

Things are heating up in the Donbass

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