Things are heating up in the Donbass

[spat]

This! You see this shit!!?? You do understand why this wont work right?

Yeah Im getting that from the fact that Ukraine citys are being bombed by missiles , Im getting that from the fact that patriots are not capeable of hitting hyper sonic missiles. You can see those facts on any news station chief,


It means nothing to you because you know nothing of How military's work . They have to ""what if ""everything, they have to wargame , they have to have contingency plans and doctrines , they dont fly by the seat of thier pants and guess, they dont go 100% balls to wall if they dont have to , its far to dangerous , they have to have reserves in case Poland decides to go it alone and move forces into Ukraine , they have reserves set aside for that purpose. thats just standard procedure for any modern military.

Yeah, I think Goperfect was right.


Can you specify what personal feelings ? because I have no idea what your talking about.

Yes, militaries have contingencies and plan out everything.

But that doesn't mean they can make *working* plans for everything. Sometimes the plan is just "we're fucked, but we'll do what we can", like the Pols sending guys on horseback to fight tanks.

But my point was that they have no way to counter something and you're just "they'll make a plan" as if that means they can pull some magic wand out of their ass to make it work.

The Iraqis had the 4th largest military on earth, and they had battle hardened troops and commanders from a decade long war against Iran.

They had detailed plans to defend their conquest in Kuwait. Fuck all good any of that did for them.

It would look like that if NATO decided to kick Russia out of Ukraine.


As for personal feelings, you seem to have some personal investment in the Russians being able to put up a fight against NATO. You have no idea how, but you're sure they can do it.

All you offer are vague "they have plans" or "their attitudes are different" or things like that. But you have no specifics about how any of that could translate into anything but mass casualties for them.

 

[holdover]

But that doesn't mean they can make *working* plans for everything. Sometimes the plan is just "we're fucked, but we'll do what we can",

that would be correct. But certainly the most likely and probable possibilities are going to be addressed. NATO or Poland entering the war would be a primary threat and contingency plans to deal with it have already been drawn up, and those plans require reserve forces . IM sure the Ukrainians have reserve forces posted in and around Kiev in the event of a Russian break through , and this demonstrates the point why you shouldn't go 100% , its to dangerous .

The Iraqis had the 4th largest military on earth, and they had battle hardened troops and commanders from a decade long war against Iran.

They had detailed plans to defend their conquest in Kuwait. Fuck all good any of that did for them.

Apples and oranges, Shitty air defense, and no air force , wide open terrain , and the Iraqis were not exactly a high end military, they had some tough units from the republican guard and a lot of conscripts.

Im not sure how you equate the 2 military's as being equal , the US were useing new weapons systems that were unknown or not understood by Iraqi military. Russia has been dealing with a lot of advanced weapon systems that NATO has sent , and still moving forward .

But my point was that they have no way to counter something and you're just "they'll make a plan" as if that means they can pull some magic wand out of their ass to make it work.

Thats not what I said at all.

 

[spat]

that would be correct. But certainly the most likely and probable possibilities are going to be addressed. NATO or Poland entering the war would be a primary threat and contingency plans to deal with it have already been drawn up, and those plans require reserve forces . IM sure the Ukrainians have reserve forces posted in and around Kiev in the event of a Russian break through , and this demonstrates the point why you shouldn't go 100% , its to dangerous .

Apples and oranges, Shitty air defense, and no air force , wide open terrain , and the Iraqis were not exactly a high end military, they had some tough units from the republican guard and a lot of conscripts.

Im not sure how you equate the 2 military's as being equal , the US were useing new weapons systems that were unknown or not understood by Iraqi military. Russia has been dealing with a lot of advanced weapon systems that NATO has sent , and still moving forward .


Thats not what I said at all.

Baghdad was considered to have the most sophisticated air defense on the planet at the time.

We systematically dismantled that in hours.

Yep, they had lots of conscription, just like Russia.

And you keep talking about "they have plans" as if that *means* anything. Unless you have a suggestion about what is *in* those plans it's just hot air.

"The need to hold something in reserve for contingencies" only makes sense up to a point. If you have troops you will *never* deploy because you "need to keep them in reserve" then you might as well not have them.

Imagine France in early WWII being overrun by the Germans, but keeping a large reserve force in case Spain decided to get involved.

 

[livingston]

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine​

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.”
Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of Ukraine government, including govt payrolls, pensions, healthcare services, welfare and social services for the people in Ukraine.
The crazy thing is, unless Trump stops it, our congress will give it to him. And even if Trump tries to stop it, congress will demand the payment as part of their appropriations process.

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine - The Last Refuge

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.” [SOURCE] Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of...

theconservativetreehouse.com

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Zelenskyy-40-billion.jpg

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Unless the goal was a forever war.

 

[Mosinitis]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

 

[spat]

Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

 

[Mosinitis]

How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

Russia has air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

 

[spat]

They have air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

You either don't understand the situation in Ukraine, or you don't know what air superiority means.

 

[Mosinitis]

Hysterical mother trying to save her son from Ukrainian conscription agents, collapses in the middle of a street.

Душераздирающая картина: мать умерла, пытаясь выбить сына из автобуса ТЦК

Сообщается, что все произошло в Мерефе Харьковской области.Мать пыталась остановить автобус ТЦК, в котором ехал ее сын. Женщина бежала за автобусом и пыталас...

youtube.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Retired General Keane spills the beans. U.S pilots are flying F16's in Ukraine.

 

[Mosinitis]

Things are heating up between Ukraine and Hungary after Hungarian citizen was beaten to death by Ukrainian conscription agents.
Also in Ukraine a Hungarian church was set on fire with graffiti calling for murder of Madyars (Hungarians).

Hungarian Greek Catholic church set on fire in Transcarpathia, anti-Hungarian graffiti found - DailyNewsHungary

A Greek Catholic church was set on fire in Transcarpathia, Ukraine, with anti-Hungarian graffiti found on the site. The attack has sparked outrage in Hungary, prompting responses from top government officials.

dailynewshungary.com

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Retired General Keane spills the beans. U.S pilots are flying F16's in Ukraine.

Holy crap.

I really was expecting this to be some sort of mis speak or something taken out of context.

It was not.

That was far more clear and specific than I was expecting to hear. Damn.

He clearly lays it out. Twice in fact when given an opportunity to clarify or walk back his comment.

Retired USAF pilots are flying some of the F16s on behalf of Ukraine.

Wow.

 

[Mosinitis]

Holy crap.

I really was expecting this to be some sort of mis speak or something taken out of context.

It was not.

That was far more clear and specific than I was expecting to hear. Damn.

He clearly lays it out. Twice in fact when given an opportunity to clarify or walk back his comment.

Retired USAF pilots are flying some of the F16s on behalf of Ukraine.

Wow.

The "retired" part gives plausible deniability, but they are working for U.S. government as contractors. It's a standard operating procedure.

 

[holdover]

I dont know why Trump is continuing to pour money into that place. ROI is gone. Theres no chance Ukraine can turn it around now. Its past the point of no return .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I dont know why Trump is continuing to pour money into that place. ROI is gone. Theres no chance Ukraine can turn it around now. Its past the point of no return .

I'm really wondering if Trump isn't just semi-controlled opposition at this point. I really have no idea what's going on anymore. Everything is a confusing frustrating mess. Down seems up and up seems down.

Is the deep state really this powerful?

 

[Mosinitis]

I'm really wondering if Trump isn't just semi-controlled opposition at this point. I really have no idea what's going on anymore. Everything is a confusing frustrating mess. Down seems up and up seems down.

Is the deep state really this powerful?

Trump is trying to sit on two chairs, MAGA and neocon wings of the Republican party.
Russia will never be left alone, no matter what it does or who leads it.
All big non-Anglosaxon nations represent a threat to neocon idea of world domination. Multi-polar vs. One-polar world.

 

[tirwin1]

Despite what Trump wants I think the military & intelligence agencies of both Russia and the US want the war to continue so they can use Ukraine as a testing ground for new technology, specifically drones.

 

[holdover]

I'm really wondering if Trump isn't just semi-controlled opposition at this point. I really have no idea what's going on anymore. Everything is a confusing frustrating mess. Down seems up and up seems down.

Is the deep state really this powerful?

You can't serve 2 masters.

I always felt trump was very strong, because he was a billionaire and couldn't be bought.or maybe there are other ways of putting pressure on him
I don't know,.

He wanted to end the war in ukraine
Said he would end it 24 hours. I always understood that to mean all aid to Ukraine ends immediately, and Ukraine would be forced to surrender . But it never happened

 

[Mosinitis]

Russia's attacks on Ukrainian military mobilization centers is cheered and aided by Ukrainian people, who are getting sick and tired of being used as NATO's slaves.

https://www.rt.com/russia/622151-trc-ukraine-mobilization-death/

 

[Robin]

Pitin has gone round the bend. Vlad the Mad is an apt descriptor.
Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

Strategic defeat of Russia or ceasefire are not the only possible outcomes in this proxi-war. Obviously Russia will choose a victory. Considering how it was treated, it has every right to.

 

[holdover]

Russians take Chasiv Yar

Chasiv Yar is regarded as a pivotal provincial city for either army to control. According to analysts, a Russian capture of Chasiv Yar would likely allow further advances towards the cities of Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, the two largest settlements in Donetsk Oblast not under Russian occupation.

Pokrovsk, a major steel producing town is 3/4 surrounded, supply lines are threatened, Some Russian units have entered the city

Pokrovsk also has central importance for the Ukrainian steel industry. Pischane is the largest plant for coking coal production in Ukraine. The site provided half of Metinvest's coal volume, used to produce steel at the company's plants.


CNN Russia has amassed 110,000 troops in the vicinity of Pokrovsk as part of its efforts to take over the strategic eastern Ukrainian city, the Ukrainian military chief said Friday.

 

[Robin]

Total and daily combat losses of Russia in Ukraine

Interactive web app for tracking total and daily combat losses of Russia in Ukraine. Updated daily.

combat.fyi

MSN

Russia suffers huge losses this week, according to Kyiv

Moscow has likely sustained more than 335,000 casualties since the war began, the U.K. government said in early March.

www.newsweek.com

Yes, Vlad the Mad is making advances, the great conquering hero will stop at nothing. Until he has nothing. What a piece of shit.
Robin

 

[holdover]

Yes, Vlad the Mad is making advances, the great conquering hero will stop at nothing. Until he has nothing. What a piece of shit.
Robin

Probably would have been better if NATO armies, Navie's and airbases and missile sites were on his door step in Donbass and Crimea

 

[fresch]

If chi-na, Russia Russia Russia, and others are all into the land grab, we too can be.
Lets start with the U.S.A. takes everything from every country.
That is what President Trump is trying to do in a way, Greenland, Canada. They have no real military and the U.S.A. would need to be the military for them; shouldn't we also get some of the cream?
Recall I say, man hasn't changed only the technology and clothing have; you are watching history repeating in real time.

 

[spat]

Probably would have been better if NATO armies, Navie's and airbases and missile sites were on his door step in Donbass and Crimea

If he keeps going he may find out.

Do you think NATO will be OK with Russians on *their* doorstep ?

The difference is that NATO expands by getting countries to beg to be allowed to join.

Russia invades and keeps killing people until they are in control.

They are not the same.

 

[holdover]

The difference is that NATO expands by getting countries to beg to be allowed to join.

Of course theyre not the same, different circumstances, The US was ready to invade Cuba to stop the Soviet missiles from being placed there.

Its like China is going to build bases across from San Diago , and El Paso , throw in some naval bases Cancun , and Tiawana . the US would demand that Mexico not do that as its a direct threat to our homeland or they would be forced to invade. Mexico tells the US to fuck off and the US invades. The US doenst have the right to tell Mexico what to do But it has the right to tell them What the consequences will be regardless. The option for Mexico is on the table . Let china in and fight a war with the US or Cancel the Chinese plans and live in peace. Ukraine had the same option , pull out from its NATO application or face an inevitable invasion from Russia . the Ukrainians were also in breech of contract when they agreed they will remain nuetral and not join NATO. It was no secret that Russians would invade they have been saying that for 30 years . Now Ukraine is dealing with the consequences of its own actions

Do you think NATO will be OK with Russians on *their* doorstep ?

Probably not, but they should have thought about that before starting the war .

 

[spat]

Of course theyre not the same, different circumstances, The US was ready to invade Cuba to stop the Soviet missiles from being placed there.

Its like China is going to build bases across from San Diago , and El Paso , throw in some naval bases Cancun , and Tiawana . the US would demand that Mexico not do that as its a direct threat to our homeland or they would be forced to invade. Mexico tells the US to fuck off and the US invades. The US doenst have the right to tell Mexico what to do But it has the right to tell them What the consequences will be regardless. The option for Mexico is on the table . Let china in and fight a war with the US or Cancel the Chinese plans and live in peace. Ukraine had the same option , pull out from its NATO application or face an inevitable invasion from Russia . the Ukrainians were also in breech of contract when they agreed they will remain nuetral and not join NATO. It was no secret that Russians would invade they have been saying that for 30 years . Now Ukraine is dealing with the consequences of its own actions


Probably not, but they should have thought about that before starting the war .

Repeat after me.

"Russia is not a superpower".

Would Poland be justified invading Belarus because they want a "buffer zone" against Russia ?

If not, then why would Russia be justified in invading Ukraine ?

Bottom line, NATO will not accept Russia in their border in Ukraine, and unlike Russia, NATO has the ability to stop that.

This whole thing is already a disaster for Russia. Their current government may not survive it.

They've irreparably damaged an entire generation, right in the middle of a demographic crisis. That alone might be their death knell.

But, their stated goal to "prevent NATO on their border" has failed miserably too. They have driven Finland into the arms of NATO. Even if they *did* take western Ukraine they'll *still* be worse off than they were.

Their military used to be respected on the world stage. Now it's a laughing stalk.

Putin's days are numbered, and the position he has built is not the sort of thing you retire peacefully from.