The 2A UNDER ATTACK & Here’s How Trump Can Fix The Problem

OwnTheRide · Sunday at 12:23 PM

Eh, this seems like a pretty weak argument. "2A is a right, so firearms or firearm parts should be excluded from tariffs" is a cop-out.

The whole point of tariffs is to bring manufacturing to home soil. If that means increased prices for a while, that's fine... it's a cost of implementing good policy. Seeking to exclude the items that we buy is somewhat hypocritical.

spat · Sunday at 12:33 PM

If he wanted to really protect them, he would take the fact that gun ownership is a federally protected civil right serioualy and have the DOJ prosecute *any* state or local officials who violate it.

There's even a special federal statute to use when that is done "under color of law".

Don't fuck around with lawsuits about laws.

Just send some FBI or US Marshalls to arrest any prosecutor charging any of the unconstitutional statutes.

Give that a month or so, then start arresting police officers who make any arrests on any of those statutes.

And don't just arrest, prosecute, all the way. Long federal prison terms.

Same for any legislators who vote for any new laws that violate those rights. There's no exception in federal law or the constitution for state legislators.

Treat it the same way you would if they'd passed a law outlawing worship of Allah.

spat · Sunday at 3:08 PM

JunkBoxFull said:
Most people can`t afford to buy what is made here. To many people think they should make 30 to 40 bucks an hour making cheeseburgers. I can`t even imagine what things will cost after the tariffs are done. Anyone is foolish to think things will be cheaper to make in the USA after this.

It *will* be cheaper to make things in the US after this.

Cheaper than it used to be to make them in the US anyway.

Economies of scale and all, the more stuff we make here, the cheaper it is to make stuff here.

Maybe not quite as cheap as it is to make them in China.

But, the whole point of the tarrifs isn't to make consumer goods cheaper. It is to make them here, and in that respect they are working very well.

RedBreast21 · Sunday at 5:04 PM

The Constitution can be changed and it requires a very high bar to do it. Two-Thirds of the Senate and Three-Quarters of the states. That is the only path and one that ensures a super majority vote. Everything else is a violation of both the amendment and the process. :beer:

Defilade · Sunday at 5:07 PM

Trump and all his political capital are numb to gun rights. We are a huge part of his base that has been shunned. Alot of his executive orders should be codified when you have alot of political capital. I guess we shall see come Midterms if Rinos can be nullified by a hopeful landslide.

Defilade · Sunday at 5:07 PM

Trump and all his political capital are numb to gun rights. We are a huge part of his base that has been shunned. Alot of his executive orders should be codified when you have alot of political capital. I guess we shall see come Midterms if Rinos can be nullified by a hopeful landslide.

Saltwater60 · Sunday at 5:12 PM

All we need is the Trump majority on the Supreme Court to take up cases and actually rule on them instead of messing around and saying well next year. Take case, rules, set precedent and enforce it

GOPerfect · Sunday at 9:34 PM

The 2A gas been in trouble since before the original ink was dried. Less than 30 days after the ratification, gun laws were being passed.

The 2A, the 1A and others are under constant attack, these attacks will not end, regardless of the president. In time, we will lose more and more of our Rights.

This will be due to the pathetic majority of Americans.

Grimscale · Monday at 8:26 AM

spat said:
If he wanted to really protect them, he would take the fact that gun ownership is a federally protected civil right serioualy and have the DOJ prosecute *any* state or local officials who violate it.

There's even a special federal statute to use when that is done "under color of law".

Don't fuck around with lawsuits about laws.

Just send some FBI or US Marshalls to arrest any prosecutor charging any of the unconstitutional statutes.

Give that a month or so, then start arresting police officers who make any arrests on any of those statutes.

And don't just arrest, prosecute, all the way. Long federal prison terms.

Same for any legislators who vote for any new laws that violate those rights. There's no exception in federal law or the constitution for state legislators.

Treat it the same way you would if they'd passed a law outlawing worship of Allah.

The only change to this would be to arrest the politicians who voted for it immediately, THEN go after those who would follow those statutes and prosecute/arrest due to them.
Lop the head off first. Then it's easier to deal with the body. (figuratively speaking! I'm not advocating for beheading any politician. Death should be a reward, not a punishment.)

Zerex · Monday at 9:54 AM

With an estimated 450 million guns, in the hands of Americans right now, we are in a real fucking crisis for sure.

Saltwater60 · Monday at 7:00 PM

Zerex said:
With an estimated 450 million guns, in the hands of Americans right now, we are in a real fucking crisis for sure.

Just wait until Obama gets a forth term and uses the national guard to come and take em.

GOPerfect · Monday at 8:00 PM

On this point, you guys ever think of this, I mean deeply think about it?

What happens when they come a take the guns from Americans?

How many gun owners will really stick up and stand up to federal agents that come and take them?

I know many will say, "hell yeah... out of my cold dead hands"...

I say BS to that. I do wonder though, how many have come up with a back up plan if this ever becomes a reality?

Grimscale · Tuesday at 8:03 AM

GOPerfect said:
On this point, you guys ever think of this, I mean deeply think about it?

What happens when they come a take the guns from Americans?

How many gun owners will really stick up and stand up to federal agents that come and take them?

I know many will say, "hell yeah... out of my cold dead hands"...

I say BS to that. I do wonder though, how many have come up with a back up plan if this ever becomes a reality?

I often wonder how likely it is that the military will fracture if a clearly un-Constitutional order like this is made.
The military is a volunteer organization.
I predict at least half will walk away, many even taking the weapons and equipment they regularly use with them.

zorro · Tuesday at 1:21 PM

GOPerfect said:
On this point, you guys ever think of this, I mean deeply think about it?

What happens when they come a take the guns from Americans?

How many gun owners will really stick up and stand up to federal agents that come and take them?

I know many will say, "hell yeah... out of my cold dead hands"...

I say BS to that. I do wonder though, how many have come up with a back up plan if this ever becomes a reality?

I agree with this point 100%

I am currently at our cabin - well into the woods with a load of other cabins

99% are Republican gun owners………with numerous weapons of every type

We have regular discussions on this topic after several beers around the campfire

They all say exactly the same thing……..if an order was ever enacted to confiscate AR’15’s by force on a National scale

“They will never take my guns other than out of my cold dead hands”

These are all working guys, mostly good paying jobs, married, some with younger kids

Are they really going to get into a gun fight with the Feds or the National Guard or anyone for that matter if the government turns up one day to confiscate their guns

Sorry, I just don’t think that would happen in the majority of cases and believe that would be replicated across the country

You will ALWAYS get pockets of resistance either individually or in “militia” set ups………….but across 340million (or so) citizens, I believe that would be a very small minority, quickly put down by the Government

Just my view and could be totally wrong and we end up in Civil War!!

OwnTheRide · Tuesday at 9:54 PM

Yeah, I'm not going to fight the military on my own. But that doesn't matter, because I lost all of my guns in an unfortunate boating accident the day before the confiscation order came out. I'll contract Darth to scuba them out when the real fight starts.

Defilade · 2025-09-03T09:26:07-0400

GOPerfect said:
On this point, you guys ever think of this, I mean deeply think about it?

What happens when they come a take the guns from Americans?

How many gun owners will really stick up and stand up to federal agents that come and take them?

I know many will say, "hell yeah... out of my cold dead hands"...

I say BS to that. I do wonder though, how many have come up with a back up plan if this ever becomes a reality?

I have to! My Kids future is at stake. I will die in that event but my mark would be made. I will go down swinging. With today's surveillance there is no way you could escape, They will find you. One needs to be with like minded people to make a major impact. @GOPerfect Should join up with the Militias in Tennessee. Train, Train, Train! Share knowledge as receive it.

GOPerfect · 2025-09-03T15:01:25-0400

Defilade said:
I have to! My Kids future is at stake. I will die in that event but my mark would be made. I will go down swinging. With today's surveillance there is no way you could escape, They will find you. One needs to be with like minded people to make a major impact. @GOPerfect Should join up with the Militias in Tennessee. Train, Train, Train! Share knowledge as receive it.

Tougher to do than you may realize .

These people are very suspect of others...

Defilade · 2025-09-03T15:54:11-0400

GOPerfect said:
Tougher to do than you may realize .

These people are very suspect of others...

Rightful so. You want that. To be vetted.

spat · 2025-09-03T16:05:03-0400

GOPerfect said:
On this point, you guys ever think of this, I mean deeply think about it?

What happens when they come a take the guns from Americans?

How many gun owners will really stick up and stand up to federal agents that come and take them?

I know many will say, "hell yeah... out of my cold dead hands"...

I say BS to that. I do wonder though, how many have come up with a back up plan if this ever becomes a reality?

Why would you fight the cops or the national guard or the military ?

You just hunt down the people who sent them, and all the people who voted for those guys.

You don't fight when they show up at your door at 3am.

You don't even fight when you show up at their door at 3am. You just show up at 3am and kill them and their entire family in their sleep.

Then once enough of the shitweasels are dead, you just stop, blend back in, and wait for the next election.

GOPerfect · 2025-09-03T17:19:13-0400

spat said:
Why would you fight the cops or the national guard or the military ?

You just hunt down the people who sent them, and all the people who voted for those guys.

You don't fight when they show up at your door at 3am.

You don't even fight when you show up at their door at 3am. You just show up at 3am and kill them and their entire family in their sleep.

Then once enough of the shitweasels are dead, you just stop, blend back in, and wait for the next election.

Who? Who is going to hunt down the people that signed the orders?

These people, how are they going to get them?

Hell, as a whole the people of the US can't agree or get together for the simplest things, let alone complicated ones like this.

Rocpo · 2025-09-03T17:32:28-0400

With active duty officers like this one
we clearly can't trust the military to NOT be willing to go door to door.

S&W Fan · 2025-09-03T20:29:57-0400

Rocpo said:
With active duty officers like this one
we clearly can't trust the military to NOT be willing to go door to door.

Yup, This right here. Unfortunately from the ones that I talk to when I’m down in NC near the Marine base a good majority of these shitheads are the norm rather than the exception now and this was by design during the O blamo years.

spat · 2025-09-03T20:43:49-0400

GOPerfect said:
Who? Who is going to hunt down the people that signed the orders?

These people, how are they going to get them?

Hell, as a whole the people of the US can't agree or get together for the simplest things, let alone complicated ones like this.

Nobody needs to agree on anything. Needs no central planning at all.

Takes about 3% of the population to successfully accomplish something like this.

Basically a couple million people independently decide a line has been crossed, and then they independently pick targets of opportunity.

Basically, imagine a million lone wolf serial killers targeting random supporters of the regime.

They wouldn't all come to the conclusion at once obviously, but when the most hard core ones start to act, the regime's reaction will inevitably be to crack down harder on the public, and that will cross a few more people's lines, etc...

spat · 2025-09-03T20:48:19-0400

Rocpo said:
With active duty officers like this one
we clearly can't trust the military to NOT be willing to go door to door.

The thing about a modern civil war in the US is that it's not a geographical divide. It's ideological, and at most urbal/rural.

That means the divide will run right down the middle of most institutions like police and military.

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