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FP1201 said:
Iranians are arrogant fucks for sure...dumb maybe, but definitely arrogant.
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Well, look at Saddam Hussein. All in all, a pretty good ruler.

Was well known for preserving antiquities. Had Christians in his inner circle.

Iraq was a well functioning country for the area.

It seems he should have realized his vast military inferiority compared to the USA. After the failed Kuwait Invasion he could have calmed down, apologized, made nice with oil exports ... or whatever. I think Bush would have accepted that ... unless the Deep State wanted War at any cost.

So unless that is true, WTF happened? Are all Middle Eastern men idiots? Always writing checks they cannot cash?
 
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Plater1 said:
They are going to be even worse off when the oil does start flowing again. Iran/Venezuela previously sold oil to China priced/paid in Chinese yuan. That was putting pressure on the Petro dollar. Now when buying Venezuelan oil China has to pay in USA dollars. I would assume the same will happen when the Iranian govt falls.
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Well, maybe.

All China needs is for MAGA to lose the midterms and the Democrat Communists to regain control.
 
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CaseHardened said:
Well, look at Saddam Hussein. All in all, a pretty good ruler.

Was well known for preserving antiquities. Had Christians in his inner circle.

Iraq was a well functioning country for the area.

It seems he should have realized his vast military inferiority compared to the USA. After the failed Kuwait Invasion he could have calmed down, apologized, made nice with oil exports ... or whatever. I think Bush would have accepted that ... unless the Deep State wanted War at any cost.

So unless that is true, WTF happened? Are all Middle Eastern men idiots? Always writing checks they cannot cash?
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The deep state wanted him dead. He probably knew too many secrets from the Iran-Iraq war.

That's why they basically gave him a wink and a nod go ahead to invade Kuwait, then killed him for it.

Same thing Biden did to Putin in Ukraine. When you're asked what your response would be in a press conference, and your answer is basically "harsh language", you might as well have signed a permission slip for him.

Now, that's not to excuse either of those invasions, Hussain and Putin are each 100% responsible for what they did. But it is an indictment of the deep state for their responsibility too. There are peopleon the US government payroll who should have been hanged publicly for each of those wars.
 
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spat said:
The deep state wanted him dead. He probably knew too many secrets from the Iran-Iraq war.

That's why they basically gave him a wink and a nod go ahead to invade Kuwait, then killed him for it.

Same thing Biden did to Putin in Ukraine. When you're asked what your response would be in a press conference, and your answer is basically "harsh language", you might as well have signed a permission slip for him.

Now, that's not to excuse either of those invasions, Hussain and Putin are each 100% responsible for what they did. But it is an indictment of the deep state for their responsibility too. There are peopleon the US government payroll who should have been hanged publicly for each of those wars.
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Do any of those Countries whose Leaders are mentioned have Rothschild Banks there?
 
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stokes said:
I dont believe thats real. I dont see that as being arrogant, just dumber'n a sack of wet mice, and nobody can be that dumb.
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Anyone who attempts to goad Trump into a military conflict after Venezuela has to be supremely arrogant as well as a suicidal.

Someone should make an AI video with Trump on the Oprah set handing out Martyrdoms like they were candy.
 
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FP1201 said:
Do any of those Countries whose Leaders are mentioned have Rothschild Banks there?
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I don't think that's gonna save you from regime change.

Epstein could have had a branch in his living room and it wouldn't have helped him.

Now, refusing to play ball with the Rothschilds/international banking is certainly going to move you to the head of the line, but there's a lot more going on than that.

This was undoubtedly a major reason they made it on to Bush's naughty list 25 years ago though

Treasury Sanctions Iranian Network Laundering Billions for Regime Through Shadow Banking Scheme | U.S. Department of the Treasury https://share.google/F8eo74pNxGSiT2ff6
 
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CaseHardened said:
Well, look at Saddam Hussein. All in all, a pretty good ruler.

Was well known for preserving antiquities. Had Christians in his inner circle.

Iraq was a well functioning country for the area.

It seems he should have realized his vast military inferiority compared to the USA. After the failed Kuwait Invasion he could have calmed down, apologized, made nice with oil exports ... or whatever. I think Bush would have accepted that ... unless the Deep State wanted War at any cost.

So unless that is true, WTF happened? Are all Middle Eastern men idiots? Always writing checks they cannot cash?
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Bush wanted war, or at least wanted to go right through SW Asia including Iran...The CIA has wanted that jewel for a very long time, but they keep fucking it up.
 
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spat said:
I don't think that's gonna save you from regime change.

Epstein could have had a branch in his living room and it wouldn't have helped him.

Now, refusing to play ball with the Rothschilds/international banking is certainly going to move you to the head of the line, but there's a lot more going on than that.

This was undoubtedly a major reason they made it on to Bush's naughty list 25 years ago though

Treasury Sanctions Iranian Network Laundering Billions for Regime Through Shadow Banking Scheme | U.S. Department of the Treasury https://share.google/F8eo74pNxGSiT2ff6
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I'm referring to Bush the first: he's had a very sketchy and questionable history since JFK's assassination and was Director of the CIA when the Shaw shit went down and I wouldn't put personal vendetta past that shit weasel.

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Bigfoot said:
Tucker Carlson. lol

I can't take that guy seriously. YMMV.

Trump didn't "actually" say the US is considering using nukes against Iran.
That's just more of Tucker Carlson's clickbait shit right there. IMO.

C'mon man, President Trump isn't going to nuke Iran.
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Nah. Tucker is one of the few that challenges the narrative. He was screaming from the rooftops about Covid which he was spot on.
 
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Nah. Tucker is one of the few that challenges the narrative. He was screaming from the rooftops about Covid which he was spot on.
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I used to be on board with Carlson years ago. But something has changed with him.
I can no longer consider him as a serious news source. I can't take anyone so drenched in TDS seriously.

Either way, President Trump is not going to nuke Iran. It's just stupid on anyone's part to think that Tucker's kind of TDS propaganda has any credibility whatsoever.

Tucker is going for clicks. He's not being genuine; that is not at all what Trump said.
At this point, Tucker might as well go back to work for CNN Fake News Media. He sucks.
 
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stokes said:
And energy use, gasoline etc is only a small portion of what oil is used for. Its used to make everything, just think about how much is used just to pave roads all over the world.
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Fractional distillation produces a more or less set percentage of all the cuts of petroleum. You cant just make gasoline. When you crack it it makes everything from bitumen to diesel to gasoline to propane. They are just byproducts with market value. But yes oil is in everything we do or buy.
 
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Defilade said:
Nah. Tucker is one of the few that challenges the narrative. He was screaming from the rooftops about Covid which he was spot on.
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He's still "screaming from the roof tops": It's the Jooz! They're everywhere! They run everything! The Islamists are right...Stop the Jooz!!!!!!!


He's a damn characrture of his former self. He got some nice paychecks from Russia and Qatar. He produced some master class propaganda for them. Now he performs at their pleasure.
 
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I used to really, really like Tucker.

Now he is treading water. He needs a new platform, even if it's a Talk Radio Show.
 
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Phazer said:
He's still "screaming from the roof tops": It's the Jooz! They're everywhere! They run everything! The Islamists are right...Stop the Jooz!!!!!!!


He's a damn characrture of his former self. He got some nice paychecks from Russia and Qatar. He produced some master class propaganda for them. Now he performs at their pleasure.
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Did you witness Tucker receiving payments from Russia?
There are only a handful of American pundits that are even willing to give Russia a fair coverage and they are all outside of establishment media.
Surprise, surprise, there are many ethnic Russians and non-Russians in this country who believe that Russia is unfairly targeted by the establishment and its hate mongering media forcing confrontation with Russia. One doesn't have to be bribed by anyone to hold that view.
APIAC on the other hand is an official organization whose role is to bribe American politicians to support Israel. Is there anything even approaching that from the Russian side?
 
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Mosinitis said:
There are only a handful of American pundits that are even willing to give Russia a fair coverage and they are all outside of establishment media.
Surprise, surprise, there are many ethnic Russians and non-Russians in this country who believe that Russia is unfairly targeted by the establishment and its hate mongering media forcing confrontation with Russia.
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The world would be better off, and much more peaceful, if the U.S. and Russia could be allies. We have radical Islamists as a common enemy.

I have worked with many professional Russian expatriates. They have almost all told me that most of the Russian citizenry does not believe that they are enemies with Americans. They believe that our governments are hostile to each other.
 
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