US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

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holdover said:
No its not.


They dont, at least not the Christians, Christ came for all of mankind not a specific people .


Holy shit , man 6 weeks ago they bombed Iran.and drug us into it . Dont give me this victimhood bullshit
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No, Christ was very specific, you don't get to heaven unless you believe in him.

John 14:6

"Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

Sure, he came for all of mankind, but he came to convert them. Same as the Muslims, just less violence.

As for Isreal bombing Iran, sure they bombed the shit out of them, but they sure as shit didn't start that fight.

Hamas and Hezbollah *are* Iran.

So much so that Iran claimed Isreal violated the cease fire for bombing Hezbollah LoL.

Why is it that you excuse any aggression against Isreal or the US, then when we respond you accuse us of starting stuff ?

You'd probably accuse Isreal if invading Egypt to steal Gaza too.
 
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No, Christ was very specific, you don't get to heaven unless you believe in him.

John 14:6

"Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

Sure, he came for all of mankind, but he came to convert them. Same as the Muslims, just less violence.
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I cant speak for the muslims , He came to convert them , they were welcomed by Christ. Christ was born a jew his follwers were jews , He came to fulfill Jewish prophecy. He came for all men .


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As for Isreal bombing Iran, sure they bombed the shit out of them, but they sure as shit didn't start that.

They sure as shit did , cant change the facts . Israel attacked Iran first.
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Christ almighty... Ho Lee Fucking Fuck. I'm out of here... lol :evil:

If I wanted to read a religious-based thread, I'd click on a religious-based thread.
So, off to a different forum to read about the, you know, the war... :mg::uzi:
 
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holdover said:
I cant speak for the muslims , He came to convert them , they were welcomed by Christ. Christ was born a jew his follwers were jews , He came to fulfill Jewish prophecy. He came for all men .
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He came for all men, but was very clear that the ones who don't accept his help are *all* going straight to hell.

"Isreal attacked Iran first" is only true if you ignore all the attacks Iran made against Isreal through their puppets.

Iran has literally been paying Palestinians off for decades to kill Isrealis.

Who do you think planned and funded Oct 7th ? That alone would justify turning Iran into a parking lot.
 
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The Twelve-Day War was an armed conflict between Iran and Israel which lasted from 13 to 24 June 2025. It began when Israel bombed military and nuclear facilities in Iran in a surprise attack,[44][45] assassinating prominent military leaders, nuclear scientists,[46] and politicians,[47][48][49] killing civilians,[25] and damaging or destroying air defenses.[50] Iran retaliated with over 550 ballistic missiles and over 1,000 suicide drones,[51][52][53] hitting civilian population centers,[54][55] one hospital[56][57] and at least twelve military, energy, and government sites. The United States intercepted Iranian attacks and bombed three Iranian nuclear sites on 22 June.[58][59] Iran retaliated by firing missiles at a US base in Qatar. On 24 June, Israel and Iran agreed to a ceasefire under US pressure.[60][61][62

On February 28, 2026, the United States and Israel launched a massive, joint military operation against Iran, targeting nuclear, military, and leadership sites. The strikes aim to eliminate Iran's nuclear capabilities and induce regime change. Reports indicate significant casualties, including the killing of Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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  • Operation "Epic Fury": The joint, massive strikes targeted hundreds of locations, including Tehran, with reports of intense damage to military and nuclear infrastructure.

The reason for the attacks was to stop iran from getting a nuke. not because somebody launched missles. stop your blame shifting. Israeli government is a ruthless bloodthirsty regime filled with hate which mirrors the NAZIS
 
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Bigfoot said:
This time, the day of bombing Iran's bridges and power plants will actually happen. At least on some scale.
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It won't take much firepower to cripple a region's civilian grid and transportation systems.

It does not take much firepower or damage to take out a power plant. You don't have to level a generating station to remove it from service for a long long time. Hell, strategically dumped birdshit can take a generating station out for a days. An accurate drone or sholder strike against key exposed yard equipment can cause a unit or site outage for months to years ( there are few spares worldwide with very little inventory available to Iran and backorders are measured in years).

It takes more firepower, but a couple well placed bridge strikes can make a span unusable and reconstruction will take months if materials and equipment are even available.
 
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Reports from southeast Asia ( seeming to cite Iranian sources) claim that one-fourth of the IRG's asymmetric fleet of 1000 speedboats were destroyed as collateral damage during the March US and Isreal strikes but most remain intact since they were kept in tunnels or civilian areas.

These sources also claim that the Somalia Ambassador to Ethiopia is claiming to shutdown (with potential help from Iran backed Houtis in Yemen) the narrow marine transport bottleneck (Bab al-Mandab) with speedboats to shut off another 5-10% of the world's oil supply (mostly from Saudi Arabia's alternate pipelines just placed back in service) and 10-15% of world trade. Today the Somalia press is distancing themselves from the Ambassodor's claim.
 
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I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There
will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is
closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting
accordingly.- Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
 
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On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.[1][2] The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.[3][4][5]

All 125 ICC member states, including France and the United Kingdom, are required to arrest Netanyahu and Gallant if they enter the state's territory.[6] The ICC also issued an arrest warrant for Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif, who was killed in an Israeli airstrike on 13 July 2024 but whose death remained unconfirmed at the time.[a] By January 2025, Hamas confirmed Deif's death, and a few weeks later the ICC cancelled the arrest warrant against him.[9][10] Warrants may still be issued against additional Israeli senior IDF officers involved in the Gaza war[11][12]—an action recommended by a United Nations Commission of Inquiry, which also called for genocide charges to be added to the warrant after finding the Israeli government guilty of multiple violations of the 1948 Genocide Convention.[13]

Rafah paramedic massacre​


n 23 March 2025, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) attacked several humanitarian vehicles, including five ambulances, a fire truck, and a United Nations vehicle, in Al-Hashashin area in southern Rafah, Gaza Strip. The massacre[1][2] resulted in the deaths of 15 aid workers, including eight members of the Palestine Red Crescent Society, five civil defense, and one UN agency employee. It was not until 30 March that most of the missing bodies were retrieved from a mass grave in Rafah, although one ambulance officer who was initially declared missing was kept under Israeli custody.[3]
 
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Sleepwalking? I voted to close the border and get the illegals out. And to cut govt spending. I got all that. In my life I have never voted for anything but the lesser of two evils and no president has ever delivered more than one or two promises. You apparently voted to get some DOGE money and to lock up Hillary. He made the statement that he wanted Hillary locked up before his first term. Didnt happen, yet you voted for it again. presidents dont lock anybody up, wake the fuck up. Doge money? He never "promised" Doge money. What he said was if his tariffs held he could refund tax money, the courts shut his tariffs down. You need to stop sleepwalking before you walk off the edge of the flat earth you live on with the rest of the idiots.
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Yeah, You are sleep walking. You must be a "Trust the plan" supporter. My voting for Trump had much more to do than just those 2 issues as he boldly ran his mouth about. As you chew on these facts below hopefully your sleep walking ass will realize that if things dont turn around you shall see the Republicans asses handed to them come midterms. If you dont understand that then slow your spinning water ball down as it is making you loopy..

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Bigfoot said:
Maybe someone here can start a thread about religion, so this war thread doesn't get even more mucked up with more religious stuff. I realize religion plays a part in the equation.
But C'mon man, you know, the thing.

This thread should be more about bombs than Gods. I'm just saying.
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Man, I am here mostly for the bombs.... And missiles.
 
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Bigfoot said:
Christ almighty... Ho Lee Fucking Fuck. I'm out of here... lol :evil:

If I wanted to read a religious-based thread, I'd click on a religious-based thread.
So, off to a different forum to read about the, you know, the war... :mg::uzi:
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Unfortunately , in this case, they bleed over when talking about the causes and history of these countries
 
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Iran president calls on people to save energy

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TEHRAN — Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian called on his people Saturday to conserve electricity, warning that while there were no shortages at present, the US and Israel aimed to sow “dissatisfaction” among the Iranian people.

“We do not need people to sacrifice for the time being, but we do need to control consumption. Instead of 10 lights, two lights should be turned on in the house — what is wrong with that?”
 
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holdover said:
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I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There
will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is
closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting
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So why don't the Palestinians just get their supplies from Egypt ?

Oh, yeah, Egypt cut them off decades ago, despite them being actually Egyptian before the made up term "Palestinian" was coined about 5 mins ago.

Funny how you're outraged that Isreal cut them off, but think it's just fine for Egypt to have done it.
 
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holdover said:
Are you quoting Hitler or just paraphrasing? lol
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The "international court" are a joke.

The whole UN is a cesspool. They should lock the doors and burn the place to the ground.

Then repeat that in Belgium and the Netherlands.

But, if you like them so much, half the leadership of Hamas has ICC arrest warrants too. But you only bring up one side of that.
 
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spat said:
The "international court" are a joke.

The whole UN is a cesspool. They should lock the doors and burn the place to the ground.

Then repeat that in Belgium and the Netherlands.

But, if you like them so much, half the leadership of Hamas has ICC arrest warrants too. But you only bring up one side of that.
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No its not a joke, ask Saddam how fucking funny it was .

Hamas has warrants too but Israeli strikes eliminated most of them , soooo its kinda irrelevant . Your absolutely correct that Various Muslim groups also have arrest warrants
 
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spat said:
So why don't the Palestinians just get their supplies from Egypt ?

Oh, yeah, Egypt cut them off decades ago, despite them being actually Egyptian before the made up term "Palestinian" was coined about 5 mins ago.

Funny how you're outraged that Isreal cut them off, but think it's just fine for Egypt to have done it.
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Not sure about your sources but,

Egypt is the primary conduit for humanitarian aid to Gaza, delivering over 570,000 tons, roughly 70% of all assistance, via the Egyptian Red Crescent (ERC) since October 2023. Convoys carry thousands of tons of food, medical supplies, and fuel, often facing significant bottlenecks and inspections at the Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossings

Palestinians in Gaza receive significant supplies and food from Egypt, particularly through the Rafah border crossing, which serves as a vital humanitarian lifeline. Egypt facilitates the entry of aid from international organizations and its own civil society to help mitigate the severe humanitarian crisis.

Key details regarding supplies from Egypt to Gaza include:
  • Primary Aid Channel: As a neighbor sharing a border, Egypt is a major conduit for aid, with thousands of trucks carrying food, medicine, and baby formula entering.

  • Operational Process: According to, and as explained by the British Red Cross, aid often travels from Cairo through the Sinai Peninsula, where it is inspected by authorities before crossing at Rafah (or recently via the Karem Abu Salem crossing).

  • Support Efforts: More than 70% of the aid delivered by Egypt comes from Egyptian civil societies, volunteers, and public donations.

  • Challenges: Getting aid from Cairo to Gaza can take between three and 20 days, and there are strict inspection processes.

  • Previous Dependence: Before the 2023–2025 conflict, a substantial amount of commercial goods and aid entered Gaza through Egypt, as noted in reports from the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI).

The current situation is only the latest and gravest phase of an ongoing humanitarian crisis dating to the start of the Israel-Hamas war on October 7, 2023. Food prices have recently spiked to the highest point in nearly two years of war. Humanitarian organizations have raised urgent concerns in recent weeks about the increasing numbers of children suffering and dying from acute malnutrition due to the prolonged blockade. With continued pressure on dwindling supplies, hunger will increase. The scale of suffering reflects the longstanding, constantly shifting set of obstacles to delivering food assistance from Egypt into Gaza.

The Egyptian Food Bank (EFB) is a key player in this effort. It is an impact-driven NGO established in 2006 to address food insecurity in Egypt. As the crisis in Gaza unfolded, EFB joined in a collective effort of NGOs, called for by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in October 2023, to deliver food aid, supplying both water and food trucks carrying boxes containing rice, sugar, pasta, fava beans, lentils, flour, ghee, oil, sauce, jam, and cheese. As the crisis has intensified since then, EFB’s experience offers a window into the struggle to combat famine in Gaza.

The most efficient way for aid to enter Gaza is via trucks from Egypt, with which it shares a 12 km border. Before the Israel-Hamas war, approximately 500 trucks, including both aid and commercial vehicles, were entering Gaza per day from Egypt, each carrying between 18-30 metric tons (MT) of food and other supplies.

In the wake of the October 7 Hamas attacks, Israel tightened the longstanding blockade on Gaza as it waged war, sparking a series of rolling food crises as aid flows were limited and at times halted. In March 2025, Israel completely suspended aid inflows as it ended a three-month ceasefire with Hamas; beginning in May, it allowed limited aid in through the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a United States organization backed by the Israeli government and unconnected to other international aid groups. Along with other Egyptian and international NGOs, the Egyptian Food Bank was blocked from sending any aid to Gaza from March until August 3.

 
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Oh, yeah, Egypt cut them off decades ago, despite them being actually Egyptian before the made up term "Palestinian" was coined about 5 mins ago.
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??? Really? (shakes head) You need to get better sources than the " zionist today" , world Zionist magazine, the true Zionist,

1828 map of Palestine. Does not include Israel, because the nation of Israel did not exist until 1948. Both Jewish and Palestinians coexisted in Palistine

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Yea, the ICC is a joke. Do you remember when they dragged Saddam to the Hague for crimes ?

Oh, that's right, the Iraqis executed him themselves for the crimes he committed there, the Hague never got a go.

The ICC, in it's entire existence, has secured maybe a dozen convictions. The whole thing is basically a country club for useless bureaucrats.
 
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Yea, the ICC is a joke. Do you remember when they dragged Saddam to the Hague for crimes ?

Oh, that's right, the Iraqis executed him themselves for the crimes he committed there, the Hague never got a go.

The ICC, in it's entire existence, has secured maybe a dozen convictions. The whole thing is basically a country club for useless bureaucrats.
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No your right they never got a chance to , but he was indicted for useing gas on the Kurds .


The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified by the US and UK primarily through the argument that existing UN Security Council resolutions, particularly Resolution 1441, authorized force due to Iraq's failure to disarm. Others argued it violated the UN Charter, with critics arguing that only explicit, new council authorization could justify the war.

Arguments for Legal Justification:
  • Revival of Authorization: Proponents argued that Resolution 1441 and previous resolutions (678, 687) authorized the use of force to ensure Iraq's compliance with weapons inspections.
  • Breach of 1991 Ceasefire: It was argued that Iraq's failure to comply with inspectors and disclose information was a direct violation of the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire, removing the legal protections of that ceasefire and reviving the original authorization for force.
UN Security Council Resolution 678 (1990), passed under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, authorized the 1991 war in Iraq by permitting member states to use "all necessary means" to uphold previous resolutions requiring Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait. This resolution was triggered after Iraq failed to comply with the deadline for withdrawal.

  • 2001 Afghanistan Invasion: NATO allies invoked collective self-defense following the 9/11 attacks, widely accepted as a valid application of Article 51.
  • 2024–2025 Middle East Conflicts: The US and allies have cited Article 51 to justify actions, including strikes against Iranian-backed groups and defending Israel against missile attacks.
  • 1990–1991 Gulf War: The Security Council authorized member states to use "all necessary means" to expel Iraq from Kuwait.
  • Libya 2011: Resolution 1973 was passed to authorize the use of force to protect civilians from the Gaddafi regime, a key application of the [«»]Responsibility to Protect (R2P) doctrine.
  • 1950 Korean War: The Security Council called for member states to assist South Korea in resisting the armed attack from North Korea

And the UN Charter may not have the military teeth to enforce the laws of the charter, like you say , but it does give legal justifcation to do so , So it does have political power to influence by legally justifying actions to use force by other country's.

Its not to be taken as lightly as you present , If Bibi were to fly into certain countries he would be arrested on war crimes and tried at the Hauge.

Not gonna happen because Hes never going to go there. But if the US ever got a bug in the Ass to do so they could kidnap him and place him on trial and would be legally justified by the UN.

The actual point is that there is enough evidence to charge him with genocide .Ie, hes a sick fucking prick. and I am ashamed my country supports such a dictator , and gives him money and aid just to add insult to injury .

And why is it done? because the machine in DC allows foreign lobby's to bribe and buy our representatives at our expense. the Money given to APAIC was allocated by the doners they bought! it goes to Isreal , then returned to the US as bribes , Bribing our politicians with our own money, Its a washing machine . And your supporting this !

Sorry Pal, Im not going to support this shit, Not to Israel or Ukraine or anyone else . My country comes first , fuck their religions and feuds and quarrel's
 
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holdover said:
No your right they never got a chance to , but he was indicted for useing gas on the Kurds .


The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified by the US and UK primarily through the argument that existing UN Security Council resolutions, particularly Resolution 1441, authorized force due to Iraq's failure to disarm. Others argued it violated the UN Charter, with critics arguing that only explicit, new council authorization could justify the war.

Arguments for Legal Justification:
  • Revival of Authorization: Proponents argued that Resolution 1441 and previous resolutions (678, 687) authorized the use of force to ensure Iraq's compliance with weapons inspections.
  • Breach of 1991 Ceasefire: It was argued that Iraq's failure to comply with inspectors and disclose information was a direct violation of the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire, removing the legal protections of that ceasefire and reviving the original authorization for force.
UN Security Council Resolution 678 (1990), passed under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, authorized the 1991 war in Iraq by permitting member states to use "all necessary means" to uphold previous resolutions requiring Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait. This resolution was triggered after Iraq failed to comply with the deadline for withdrawal.

  • 2001 Afghanistan Invasion: NATO allies invoked collective self-defense following the 9/11 attacks, widely accepted as a valid application of Article 51.
  • 2024–2025 Middle East Conflicts: The US and allies have cited Article 51 to justify actions, including strikes against Iranian-backed groups and defending Israel against missile attacks.
  • 1990–1991 Gulf War: The Security Council authorized member states to use "all necessary means" to expel Iraq from Kuwait.
  • Libya 2011: Resolution 1973 was passed to authorize the use of force to protect civilians from the Gaddafi regime, a key application of the [«»]Responsibility to Protect (R2P) doctrine.
  • 1950 Korean War: The Security Council called for member states to assist South Korea in resisting the armed attack from North Korea

And the UN Charter may not have the military teeth to enforce the laws of the charter, like you say , but it does give legal justifcation to do so , So it does have political power to influence by legally justifying actions to use force by other country's.

Its not to be taken as lightly as you present , If Bibi were to fly into certain countries he would be arrested on war crimes and tried at the Hauge.

Not gonna happen because Hes never going to go there. But if the US ever got a bug in the Ass to do so they could kidnap him and place him on trial and would be legally justified by the UN.

The actual point is that there is enough evidence to charge him with genocide .Ie, hes a sick fucking prick. and I am ashamed my country supports such a dictator , and gives him money and aid just to add insult to injury .

And why is it done? because the machine in DC allows foreign lobby's to bribe and buy our representatives at our expense. the Money given to APAIC was allocated by the doners they bought! it goes to Isreal , then returned to the US as bribes , Bribing our politicians with our own money, Its a washing machine . And your supporting this !

Sorry Pal, Im not going to support this shit, Not to Israel or Ukraine or anyone else . My country comes first , fuck their religions and feuds and quarrel's
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Literally all of that stuff is just bullshit some bureaucrats shuffle around to justify their existence.

None of those "rulings" actually did anything. They were directed to issue that stuff by the people who had already decided what course of action to take.

The UN approved the invasion of Iraq *because* we decided to do it and then *told* them to issue the ruling. Their rulings are completely performative. It's like a Kubiki theater of legitimacy.


There are zero instances of any 1st world nation changing what they planned to do because of a ruling by the UN or the ICC.
 
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