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I work armed security in a government building. The jurisdiction I work in never passed a local law prohibiting carry in the buildings. (It's NOT a courthouse.) Not carrying in the building is a courtesy the public extends to us, and I never forget that. So far, I have never had a situation...

If he were a liberal hack, he would have tossed this by now. I have a sense that he is writing a Pro 2A decision which has to run the gauntlet of the 2nd Circuit, on its way to SCOTUS.

The document provided by DCJS/State Police DOES NOT clearly include going in and out of regular businesses such as a grocery store or Home Depot. It vaguely says 'another person's property.' How does one comply with such vague language?

The law is written either my madmen or to purposely be impossible to comply with. Or both.

Technically, the DEC has you covered because you are practicing marksmanship for hunting. In reality, we have entered a state of being in which the philosophy of Reductio ad absurdum reigns supreme. Reducto ad absurdum is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that...

There are two documents. Troopers: https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2022/08/new-gun-law-faq-8-27-22-final-1.pdf DEC: https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/gunfaq2022.pdf No training for renewals north of Westchester

I rented a car which had a feature that followed the lines on the road. It scared the hell out of me when we got into construction and the white lines led right into a barrier. I guess the car did not know what orange cones were.

That is exactly what will happen. Details of the CCIA will be litigated, some aspects of concealed carry, mostly for upstaters, will trend back towards normal (pre-9/1/22) and then the state will 'provide guidance' to bring back the state-wide requirement for training.

There isn't any. The law says its for everyone, the policy coming out plays word games with 'recert' and 'renewal.' Most likely to side-step Antonyuk's standing. It's all trickery.

Actually it's in addition to asking permission of our government....

No, just..... no. And stop with the 'common sense' and 'public safety' crap. Weasel leftist words.

I took plenty of training 40 years ago when I was a young man and I was issued a license. It was the responsible thing to do. Along the way I have taken tons of other training as well. Some official, some privately. However; Requiring anything other than a brief safety familiarization and...

"spouting off.. ... they have been radicalized..." From her press conference with Adams at her side. What in holy hell does that mean?

That's all I could find. No, I don't live in Monroe County.

'Romeo' is County Clerk of Monroe County - NOT downstate.

DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT EVEN IN THE ARTICLE THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS...? The state’s Department of Criminal Justice Services said on Tuesday night that current concealed carry permit holders who live outside of New York City, Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk counties are not required to take the...

Is it upstate gun owners, or upstate gun owners who are renewing (which does not happen) or upstate concealed carry applicants but not renewals (which does not happen)??? Why don't laws just say what they mean? A vaguely written law can be abused by the enforcers. Oh, wait...

New Yorkers need to become familiar with the term 'autocracy.' She is reaching out to agency leaders who have the power to become legislators, judges, juries and executioners all in one government position. This is who she is.

Especially with something as discretionary as a temporary stay on a law passes by liberals. "It's a big club..."

This. A case like this does not hinge on finding a perfect litigant, it hinges on avoiding being assigned to a liberal activist judge. Antonyuk has standing in NDNY, which, presumably, is somewhat less liberal than the downstate cesspools. There, we don't stand a chance, even with the...

No witness is ideal. Even the best get tripped up, and we don't have any idea how it really went, because our in-house court watcher admits to being overwhelmed with details. There are many would-be victims and high-risk professionals who could use the protection they will be denied if this...

Go in the shop, come back out, holster-up right on Main Street* and go back in the shop. *In plain view of dozens of witnesses, all with cell-phones and cameras. The lawyers did a phenomenal job of pointing out how insane this all is. Shopping, the Adirondacks, transportation, etc. If the...

I am disillusioned that the champions of 2A freedoms hitched wagons to a case that did not feature a passionate litigant who conceal carries in part to protect their lives from a documented threat unresolved by law enforcement. Everyone should also keep in mind that a judge will appreciate...

So then there are over 1 million non-resident pistol licenses in New York? Cool.

Unfortunately the post started a firestorm which may go on for a while. Trying to remember two hours of testimony of a topic which we are all highly invested in is impossible. Analyzing the testimony would not even be much easier if we had the transcripts directly in front of us, because a...

Isn't Sastkatchewan really, really, really remote? As in shoot, shovel and shut-up remote?

See the other thread.

See my post above. Bruen was expected to testify and did not. That's a good thing. I would not want to be a lawyer who is defending a witness (albeit in his professional capacity) who is a no-show. Sucks to be them. Edit to add: It's also a good thing when terms such as 'subpeona' are used...

The above court text said much more than the summary on Reddit (see post 44 this thread), but again, with all due respect to the writer who attended the hearing in person and posted that summary. I was under the general idea that Bruen was a placeholder name for the state. However this court...

Also... In-person hearings are often. on the surface, very disappointing no matter who comes out ahead. We are conditioned to think that 'our side' will score big hits and leave the other side punch-drunk with the facts, law and truth. Nothing could be further from reality.

I agree. The summary shown above (post 44) dated today (23 August) - which originally appeared on Reddit NY Guns - is NOT the document to over-analyze and become emotionally invested in. While I have respect that the writer of that very brief and generalized summary was in the courtroom at the...

Today's filing for Plaintiff... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf

Today's filing for Plaintiff... https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.40.0.pdf

So she cancels out Constitutional rights, and rations them back to us a morsel at a time. She has no authority to do that.

Be advised that there was an amended order sent down from the judge this past Friday the 19th, for a total of two orders on the same day. First order said that he wanted plaintiffs to give examples such as a store or gas station. The amended order said that plaintiffs had already mentioned...

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63585683/antonyuk-v-bruen/ I printed everything there is for that order in the first post. Italicized print. There's nothing else.

Preliminary injunction hearing Tuesday 23 August 2022

Judge issued an order today (Thursday 8/18/22) I believe what this means is that the judge is granting plaintiff(s) time over the weekend to get in the last word before the first in-person hearing. Three points: 1) He is walking plaintiffs through exactly what he wants to see in order for him...

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Can't happen here.

Nothing to worry about. He's from the government and he's here to help.

Only if Mel Brooks directs the scene.

I could be mistaken, but I also remember seeing a reference to a Texas law which disarmed black people in the brief. For Catholics, they also used the term 'Papists' which alleges that Catholics are more loyal to the pope that to their nation. Whatever the specifics, I was incredulous when I...

That's the one I was hinting at a week or so ago. First exit after the pee stop in PA southbound on 81. Call first to see what he has.

Steal: The State's filing is riddled with deceit, contradictions, and word games. Manual: I know my rights, and I know I'm of a good person with good moral character. From there, I'll figure it out. The above would make for the most powerful Pro 2A legal brief ever written and it's barely 2...

"Would they dare try to enforce it after putting this in a court Doc. trying to moot a case? the repercussions would be great." So that now simplifies many issues for everyone with a license north of Westchester. Done. So a decent victory even before the judge delivers any decision. This...

Because Plaintiff Antonyuk’s License Does Not Expire, He Will Never Be Subject To The Interview, Social Media Disclosure, or Training Requirements He Is Challenging I would have to be extremely naive to believe that the so-called CCIA actually said what the State's brief in Antonyuk said it...

A printed document such as the Constitution has no validity unless all involved have at least some respect for the rules. Pro-Life states could have put up many roadblocks to harass those seeking abortion after Roe, but they said OK that's what the Court says, so be it. A court decision has...

Reconstruction-era and later licensing requirements like New York City’s that involved an individualized assessment of dangerousness – is “relevantly similar” to the good moral character assessment under the CCIA, and therefore satisfies the Bruen standard. I cannot believe they used the racist...

Important takeaway: They just relieved all lifetime (non-expiring) license holders of the training, social media and interview requirements. That is a win already for most upstate licensees. Now it is just down to the sensitive locations. Because Plaintiff Antonyuk’s License Does Not Expire...