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Yes, but if your issued license is restricted in any way (such as Target, Sportsperson) then that is how you met the proper cause requirement. You showed proper cause for the issuance of a pistol permit for the specific use under the issued restriction. If you carry outside of that restriction...

Cevusa, your analysis above is correct, even though it may frustrate or annoy others. Like it or not, New York is a May Issue State, not a Shall Issue State. The difference is of critical importance. In May Issue States there is no presumption of a right for you to possess and carry a pistol...

The NRA has internal problems of their own and unfortunately, are merely a shadow of their former selves in terms of lobbying clout. Membership is down and that means dollars are down as well.

All I can say is be careful what you wish for. Penal law 400 is very clear. "(f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof;" Proper cause is subjective and every case that has been...

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If you have legitimately established a business (registered with the State, pay taxes etc...) that you own and operate and you are legitimately an employee of your own business (even if you are the sole employee), and you can establish that you work as a security guard, per diem, for yourself...

If you were legitimately employed (even per diem) as a security guard and your employer required you to be armed, you would apply for a Business Carry restriction in Westchester. In order to succeed you would need a letter from your employer indicating the need for you to carry a firearm during...

Just curious if you ever heard back regarding your appeal?

While it is unusual for the judge to go against the recommendation of the Public Safety Unit, it is not unprecedented. While more often than not, in these cases it is the Judge denying a permit despite the positive endorsement of the Detectives, I have heard of cases like yours where the...

Did you get a disapproval letter from the judge also? Was the letter from the Captain to the judge and your attorney was able to obtain it?

You have a real case here then if it did not actually go to the judge and the denial was from the Captain of the licensing unit and not a Judge. As you know, the judges are the licensing authority in Westchester. The Pistol Licensing Unit is there to do investigations and make recommendations...

Do you own the house in Greene County? If you do, discuss with your attorney how you can declare that home as your residence and transfer your permit from Westchester to Greene County. After 6 months or so you could request to amend your permit to a Full Carry there.

Exactly!!!! If the OP wants to fight, he should be fighting for a Full Carry. The fight should be that the restrictions themselves are arbitrary. Not a fight to move from one arbitrary restriction to another.

Again, just for the sake of folks who may read this and be as confused as the person who wrote it, a request for amendment to an existing pistol license is not considered an application for a pistol license. If the amendment is denied it has no impact on your current license, unless in the...

Passed the bar on the first try thank you. OP stated his reason for wanting the Sportsperson restriction was to protect his family from bears, coyotes and mountain lions (doubt he would see any mountain lions in NY) while hiking and camping. A 9mm handgun would not be very effective against...

You are wrong. He already had his license. He was not applying for a new license. He filed an amendment to change a restriction. Unless the letter from the judge resulted in the revocation of his current license then this is not a denial of a license. When you make an application for a...

I never said he can't "fight for his rights" if he wants to. I just gave him my opinion. Fighting for a Sportsperson restriction, at the end of the day, may not be worth his time and money. If he wants to spend that time and money just to prove a point, then that is his choice. It will not...

The denial of an amendment is not the same as a denial of a permit. If you are denied a request to remove a restriction or to change a restriction you are not required to report that to anyone on any other license application. It is amazing to me how much misinformation is propagated on this...

Don't have to. I am one.

The only way the proper cause goes away in NY is if the Supreme Court makes it so. You guys are delusional if you think you are giving the OP good advice to contest this for a Sportsperson upgrade and that if he is successful it will change anything. It will cost him time and money and even if...

Then why bother encouraging the OP to upgrade to a Sportsperson? Just get your target permit and carry outside of your restrictions. Sounds like a very logical plan (not).

Actually it is you who are wrong (and confused). He put in an amendment. It was the amendment that was denied, not his permit. He never has to mention it. And a Shockwave weighs only 5 pounds. Easy to carry and much more practical than a handgun if you are really thinking woods and bears...

If you truly want to be able to carry a weapon to defend yourself and your family while hiking and camping, get yourself a Mossberg 590 Shockwave. It is small, lightweight and can put shot downrange in a much more efficient and effective way than a pistol if you are worried about bears...

Centre County will issue non resident regardless of your restrictions. I had a Sportsperson when I went. They did not care. Issued full carry permit for PA. Good for 5 years. In and out in 15 minutes.

Maybe that worked for you, but that did not work for me and I don't think it worked for Celt, but he will need to speak for himself.

Yeah I guess, until you get caught carrying outside of them. Probably unlikely you would get caught, but it is possible. I guess it would be a good test of how meaningful the restrictions are. Each person has to determine their willingness to test the system and take the chance of having...

I can't speak to the route through someone you know, as I don't know anyone on that route! What I can say to the OP (who I assume doesn't know someone in power otherwise he wouldn't have posed the question here) is that you have a near zero chance of upgrading to a Full Carry in Westchester as...

Do you have your Full Carry in Westchester? If yes, elaborate on “not exactly” so I can be educated.

Speaking from experience, there is only one thing that matters in Westchester if you want to remove restrictions and go to Full Carry and you are not former LEO. That one thing is proper cause. Training certificates, range officer, NRA instructor, good guy, 5 years with a Sportsperson, none of...