repete
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You assume that all of the military would stick with joe, many would not and they would take equipment with them.
‘Civil War Is Here’: MSNBC Host Says There’s ‘No Dealing’ With Conservatives
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Not at all, that is why I left open the potential for UN forces. I know there are still a lot of oath keepers. But I also don't assume that every Republican/conservative with means would step up either. Many just won't be able to because the battle lines wouldn't resemble the very symmetric ones of the Civil War. It would be very asymmetric geographically, with many stuck behind enemy lines.
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Uninformed and Compliant
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...[At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.]...
...[The question recurs, "how shall we fortify against it?" The answer is simple. Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others. As the patriots of seventy-six did to the support of the Declaration of Independence, so to the support of the Constitution and Laws, let every American pledge his life, his property, and his sacred honor;--let every man remember that to violate the law, is to trample on the blood of his father, and to tear the character of his own, and his children's liberty. Let reverence for the laws, be breathed by every American mother, to the lisping babe, that prattles on her lap--let it be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; let it be written in Primers, spelling books, and in Almanacs;--let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the political religion of the nation; and let the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and conditions, sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.]....
Excerpts from Lincoln's Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois
January 27, 1838
ArmedCorgi
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You just know the fbi would be raiding the home of every defecting service men/women for nuke codes.
Bigfoot
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thisIslandEarth
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Oh Oh and COVID-19 and MonkeyPox and VD and
Oh crap - you forgot the leave the damn phone number. I can hear it now "Honey why is there a charge on our phone for Ashcamm?" No worries sweetheart I just bought a ash can - I mean ammo cammm er ammo can..
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Blimey
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I've seen some on this forum looking forward to it. Most of them are too old to be anything approximating a soldier at this point, but would be perfectly happy to watch others kill for them. As I've said before it's all the result of a steady diet of doom porn. It's absolutely terrible for the soul.
Nevar
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I KNOW . Most others do not.
spat
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Ahh, doom porn.
Like when we took a 2 year break from "the world is going to end from 'climate change'" and went with "the world is going to end from covid" instead.
If you want a break from doom porn, best turn off your TV.
John Stark
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A civil war has been ongoing in this country for more than a hundred years, waged by godless communists one step at a time until here we are. There has been little push back in all that time by actual Americans, to the point that a century later the United States is hardly recognizable, and many have embraced the suck.
Its been a one sided fight wherein the insurrectionists play dirty pool through organized crime tactics, taking over the levers of power, entrenching themselves in the various sectors of society, warping the cultural fabric, undermining our laws, inculcating their propaganda, destroying what they are unable to outright win or take over, and has flared up many, many times in widespread violence, including every day street crime and up to terrorism and the burning of cities.
The ones that have been working and planning and succeeding in taking over the country and gutting it from within use every underhanded, violent, and wicked means at their disposal.
This is very well documented and has not been addressed hardly at all since long before the communist infiltration of the FDR administration.
The ones that have been talking and writing, voting and donating, by playing the political game, and relying on a corrupt system and corrupt politicians, have achieved nothing to stem the tide.
The Bolshevik revolution was essentially a civil war, the gutting of the old order to replace it with a new order. That is precisely what has been going on in this country since long before I was a twinkle in my parents eyes.
The fighters are not Americans, and the Americans are not fighters!
We turn a blind eye to the clear history of this because we do not want to do what is necessary to put a stop to it, and now the genie is out of the bottle.
We have allowed these scum to steal our nation right our from under us with no real resistance at all, to the point that this movement has captured nearly every institution of power that now hangs over us.
Yes its different from the Bolshevik revolution because it has been more of a subversion and an incremental take over, but its is no less insidious because of that. Why would they openly fight to implement their goals when we roll over and just let them do it with barely a whimper over it and hand the country right to them?
The US Constitution is not a suicide pact, but most treat it as such because they don't want to get their hands dirty.
Sane people do not want to embrace violence. Its understandable. However, violence has embraced us whether we like it or not.
We can stew in it and complain about it, but the civil war that is being waged goes on apace and will not stop until we are all in chains.
More than two years of forced lock downs, forced masking, forced vaccines, forced unemployment, forced scarcity of goods, forced destruction of our economy, forced curtailing of most of our Constitutional Rights, and so on, with an illegitimate pudding slurper occupying the White House via a stolen election, and still you people quibble!
Wake up and smell the shit they rub in your noses every freaking day!
Or did the masks desensitize your noses, such that you can eat that bullshit and grin and bear it?
Its been a one sided fight wherein the insurrectionists play dirty pool through organized crime tactics, taking over the levers of power, entrenching themselves in the various sectors of society, warping the cultural fabric, undermining our laws, inculcating their propaganda, destroying what they are unable to outright win or take over, and has flared up many, many times in widespread violence, including every day street crime and up to terrorism and the burning of cities.
The ones that have been working and planning and succeeding in taking over the country and gutting it from within use every underhanded, violent, and wicked means at their disposal.
This is very well documented and has not been addressed hardly at all since long before the communist infiltration of the FDR administration.
The ones that have been talking and writing, voting and donating, by playing the political game, and relying on a corrupt system and corrupt politicians, have achieved nothing to stem the tide.
The Bolshevik revolution was essentially a civil war, the gutting of the old order to replace it with a new order. That is precisely what has been going on in this country since long before I was a twinkle in my parents eyes.
The fighters are not Americans, and the Americans are not fighters!
We turn a blind eye to the clear history of this because we do not want to do what is necessary to put a stop to it, and now the genie is out of the bottle.
We have allowed these scum to steal our nation right our from under us with no real resistance at all, to the point that this movement has captured nearly every institution of power that now hangs over us.
Yes its different from the Bolshevik revolution because it has been more of a subversion and an incremental take over, but its is no less insidious because of that. Why would they openly fight to implement their goals when we roll over and just let them do it with barely a whimper over it and hand the country right to them?
The US Constitution is not a suicide pact, but most treat it as such because they don't want to get their hands dirty.
Sane people do not want to embrace violence. Its understandable. However, violence has embraced us whether we like it or not.
We can stew in it and complain about it, but the civil war that is being waged goes on apace and will not stop until we are all in chains.
More than two years of forced lock downs, forced masking, forced vaccines, forced unemployment, forced scarcity of goods, forced destruction of our economy, forced curtailing of most of our Constitutional Rights, and so on, with an illegitimate pudding slurper occupying the White House via a stolen election, and still you people quibble!
Wake up and smell the shit they rub in your noses every freaking day!
Or did the masks desensitize your noses, such that you can eat that bullshit and grin and bear it?
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Uninformed and Compliant
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That was a good speech. Someone should have fixed it for him. Today, it sounds like rationalization of another Hochul diktat.
I see what you did there.
That was just a small portion of the speech.
I'd guess almost 200 years ago the laws on the books and question of their validity were so minuscule it didn't warrant the distinction it does today. But it didn't take long to start deviating from the Constitution either.
I wonder what this country would look like today if we had strictly followed the Constitution. Or at least honored as close to 100% as we could.
Blimey
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Pretty much. It's always something about to kill us.
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Linda M
1 day agoThat was a brilliant and enlightened summation of the actions and desires of the Dems in power. Definitely seems to make a person wonder what their end game is. I think it goes way beyond Trump... but obviously keeping Trump out of office (by any means necessary) would be critical to their plans because he would be a stumbling block to their goals. Probably why they tried so hard to remove him time and time again after he won in 2016. This mans summary was very thought provoking.
from the comments section posted above
It was a good summation of the way dems project, but as Linda M states, "Definitely seems to make a person wonder what their end game is. I think it goes way beyond Trump... ", is the question they never quite seem to address. Do their actions tie into the erosion of the social/world legacy as we know it, if so how? Fucking cricket food? Destruction of our farms? Electrifying everything? The daily assault on not just our liberties, but the very essentials of life is staggering. And it just keeps growing.
Linda M
1 day ago
That was a brilliant and enlightened summation of the actions and desires of the Dems in power. Definitely seems to make a person wonder what their end game is. I think it goes way beyond Trump... but obviously keeping Trump out of office (by any means necessary) would be critical to their plans because he would be a stumbling block to their goals. Probably why they tried so hard to remove him time and time again after he won in 2016. This mans summary was very thought provoking.
from the comments section posted above
Instead, they express these actions in political terms as just Dems "trying to gin up their base". Calling out BS, holding rallies, being accessible and responsive to your base is how you gin it up. What dems do is radical incitement, but to what end? That is the question I want to see them answer.
I just wish they'd stop trying to convince me it is all just political.
gun_slinger_boy
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What do you guys mean when you say "civil war"? I can't picture what that would even look like today. It's not like it's south vs north. It's not like the 2 sides (maybe 3, 4, 5...?) sides would be wearing uniforms. How do you know who the enemy is? What's the objective(s)? I think what is really being discussed is SHTF.
spat
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I must have lived through a couple dozen ends of the world by now.
From "peak oil" to Y2K to a dozen climate deadlines, we should all be dead.
Or maybe these are all just versions of this guy...
spat
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Welcome to 5th gen warfare.
Figure it would look a lot like the last 2 decades in Afghanistan.
I can't see a real civil war occurring. What I do believe can happen is the type of violence northern Ireland saw for decades. Partisans on both sides striking at symbols or crowds of the opposite side. Bombings. Drive by shootings. Each act of violence spurring another in retaliation. That I find all too possible.
It would be a lot like Iraq. Sunni vs Shiite with the US Military trying to play both sides while taking advantage of the country.
Basically 1920 Chicago mob war.
ArmedCorgi
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You may actually still have whole states breaking off, perhaps joining into groups of like minded states, all the while telling residents who don't agree to gtfo. Or having that but pockets of resistence of all kinds within and just a hot mess. Who knows? Chances are, it won't look anything like what we think.
Uninformed and Compliant
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As others point it, it'd probably devolve to be a lot like Ireland - except it'd be urban supremists vs people who are sick of being a colony.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
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'Sane' keeps getting mentioned, but I consider myself 'Extremely-Reasonable'.
Some hybrid or constantly evolving major domestic conflict is our only hope at this point. Best case scenario is it's won quickly.
The biggest concern I have is the disturbance it causes here creating an opportunity for external powers to exploit our instability.
I envision a civil war type conflict (people vs people, state vs state) turning into a revolution, that ultimately results in WWIII.
No reason to delay it any further.
Some hybrid or constantly evolving major domestic conflict is our only hope at this point. Best case scenario is it's won quickly.
The biggest concern I have is the disturbance it causes here creating an opportunity for external powers to exploit our instability.
I envision a civil war type conflict (people vs people, state vs state) turning into a revolution, that ultimately results in WWIII.
No reason to delay it any further.
This is my concern also. If we ended up in some type of civil war, with our military all fuckered up the way it is now. China would walk right in and this administration would help them.
In the back of my mind, I keep questioning if this is what our current administration is works towards.
FrankenCub
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That may not be so easy for some foreign power walking into a hornets nest, be it China or the UN. Even with 9/11, people and groups that hated each other were essentially hugging each other later that day. Americans will see an outsider stepping into a family feud.
Maybe I'm too optimistic in this view but I was in NYC 30 days after the towers fell and seen people behaving completely different. I was obviously a country hick outsider and was treated with the utmost respect by thug gangbangers when I didn't know where I was going and ended up where I shouldn't have been.
I have a deep hate for NYC and everything about it, but that few days I was there I was proud of what the people there were doing and how they were behaving.
I don't think that will happen because the dispute is essentially an urban versus rural/suburban one. In practically every state, even the red ones, cities are run by democrats/liberals. Conservatives are more likely in rural areas and the suburbs are split.
meketrefe
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Civil war with who?
These media thugs promoting hate speech and actions should be fired on the spot.
These media thugs promoting hate speech and actions should be fired on the spot.
An idea whose time has come is inexorable...............the election of rump in 2016 is an example.
The theft of the 2020 election by Schumer at al, was because of the destruction of the deep state, which clearly has become the new Royalty, serving King Obama.
The wisdom of the Founders banned titles of Nobility, so desired today by Hillary et al.
A republic has been loathed for 250 yeas by Tories and Royal Loyalists who always wanted a King to rule here....FDR was an example.
The outburst by that mental cretin on tv, was just more signaling by Hillary and Cheney types, that they do not consider the peasants anything but trash......that must be taken out and guns somehow removed by death.
Logistics are in the hands of the deep state...FBI, IRS working in the background to destroy us by pen, and go home at night.
I do not see any sort of Syria or similar Palestinian captive state confinement for us..........only death.
France and Western Russia during WWII had an effective guerilla warfare campaign.
42 States might be part of such a force, and the 2nd American Republic would be born,, but not NYS--- unless they form a Confederacy and invade.
The theft of the 2020 election by Schumer at al, was because of the destruction of the deep state, which clearly has become the new Royalty, serving King Obama.
The wisdom of the Founders banned titles of Nobility, so desired today by Hillary et al.
A republic has been loathed for 250 yeas by Tories and Royal Loyalists who always wanted a King to rule here....FDR was an example.
The outburst by that mental cretin on tv, was just more signaling by Hillary and Cheney types, that they do not consider the peasants anything but trash......that must be taken out and guns somehow removed by death.
Logistics are in the hands of the deep state...FBI, IRS working in the background to destroy us by pen, and go home at night.
I do not see any sort of Syria or similar Palestinian captive state confinement for us..........only death.
France and Western Russia during WWII had an effective guerilla warfare campaign.
42 States might be part of such a force, and the 2nd American Republic would be born,, but not NYS--- unless they form a Confederacy and invade.