FinBusDev
22lr
Is the Mossberg Silver Reserve II any good. Any other US made recommendations? Not ready to invest in a Citori and do not want another Turkish gun.
12 Gauge over/under/
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The guys I know who shoot clays a lot tend to look down on the Mossberg O/U. Can't tell if its legitimate durability issues or snobbery.
If you're patient and don't mind buying used, deals come up once in a while.
Clay snobs are up there with audiophiles on a list of the most pretentious people to ever have a hobby.
Is Ruger still making one ?
Honestly, you can find nice used Brownings at reasonable prices all over the place. You want a sporting clays gun ? So...30" barrels, backbored, lots of choke tubes included ? What's your budget and how far will you drive to buy one ?
Honestly, you can find nice used Brownings at reasonable prices all over the place. You want a sporting clays gun ? So...30" barrels, backbored, lots of choke tubes included ? What's your budget and how far will you drive to buy one ?
Shoots100
.44 mag
Sometimes you'll find a deal on an American made shotgun, but you need to look at them carefully as most times those will need to be rebuilt.
I like to shoulder a clays shotgun before purchasing, unless it has an adjustable stock for me to be able to make it fit.
Your going to have to pay for that option.
Most of the low to mid range clay guns are imported from Turkey or Russia.
Best bet is to go to some shops and handle a few guns before perusing the web to buy one.
I like to shoulder a clays shotgun before purchasing, unless it has an adjustable stock for me to be able to make it fit.
Your going to have to pay for that option.
Most of the low to mid range clay guns are imported from Turkey or Russia.
Best bet is to go to some shops and handle a few guns before perusing the web to buy one.
I believe the Mossberg Silver reserve II is made in Turkey (by khan arms).
There's also the Ruger red label or CZ Drake. I would prefer one of these over the Mossberg (just my preference.)
Is the gun for clay or field?
When it comes to shooting/ competing in clay, people talk about how the gun should fit the shooter.
There's also the Ruger red label or CZ Drake. I would prefer one of these over the Mossberg (just my preference.)
Is the gun for clay or field?
When it comes to shooting/ competing in clay, people talk about how the gun should fit the shooter.
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GTN
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Check out Beretta Silver Pigeon. Nice mid-range hobby clay o/u gun
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Ruger Red label.
Beretta Silver Pigeon, Citori, Vintage superposed, (without Saltwood) lol
Are all grand. But for me I always shot best with the Ruger Red Label. That is of course if you can get used to the auto safety feature. Second gen production (2013) comes with a nice molded case, 5 Briley chokes, wrench, the whole shabang. About $1200 in 2013 although there getting a lot more for them now.
Beretta Silver Pigeon, Citori, Vintage superposed, (without Saltwood) lol
Are all grand. But for me I always shot best with the Ruger Red Label. That is of course if you can get used to the auto safety feature. Second gen production (2013) comes with a nice molded case, 5 Briley chokes, wrench, the whole shabang. About $1200 in 2013 although there getting a lot more for them now.
PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
There is no new O/U new shotgun that is made in the USA anymore minus some small companies that do custom guns. Savage, Mossberg, Winchester and Browning are all made overseas. The Browning is made in Japan and the others are all made in Turkey. Ruger does not make shotguns anymore.
add about a grand to that now...
I had a Citori that shot well enough, but I could never break more than 23 and after about 50 to 75 rounds in a row, I developed a wicked flinch because it was cutting right under my Right Eye...Sold it to another Trap Shooter (one with FAR more experience than me: He could never get past 23 with it either.)
I have a brand new Beretta 686 that's never had a round through it...I went back to using a Remington 1100
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I shot trap at my club the other night for the first time ever - with my Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol.. 
I made a few hits, but yeah the short barrel was a disadvantage - I should have taken a picture next to the stack of fancy wood-stocked O/U shotguns.
I just started looking into a 'cheap' O/U shotgun for more trap/skeet but wow... $$$
I made a few hits, but yeah the short barrel was a disadvantage - I should have taken a picture next to the stack of fancy wood-stocked O/U shotguns.
I just started looking into a 'cheap' O/U shotgun for more trap/skeet but wow... $$$
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Aside from said fit & finish issues, balance issues
Didn’t know it at the time but
The Red Label was a solid investment.
Trap guns and skeet guns are two VERY different animals !I shot trap at my club the other night for the first time ever - with my Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol..
I made a few hits, but yeah the short barrel was a disadvantage - I should have taken a picture next to the stack of fancy wood-stocked O/U shotguns.
I just started looking into a 'cheap' O/U shotgun for more trap/skeet but wow... $$$
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Yeah I'm new to that whole thing - my club has both. I did trap - 5 positions rotating around. Other guys were great, offered to let me try their extra shotguns but I didn't want to like it too much then have to look into prices... which I already did.
(since it was my first time I asked for beginner advice and was told trap was slightly easier)
I've known people that shot both trap and skeet very well using everyday field guns. But, for those that really want to compete in either game, a specialized gun will give them an advantage.Yeah I'm new to that whole thing - my club has both. I did trap - 5 positions rotating around. Other guys were great, offered to let me try their extra shotguns but I didn't want to like it too much then have to look into prices... which I already did.
(since it was my first time I asked for beginner advice and was told trap was slightly easier)
Trap guns are made to shoot well under point of aim, and have long tightly choked barrels. This is to keep the pattern tighter, since the bird is always giong away from you. Shooting under the point of aim is because the bird is always falling. These two things add up to higher scores. You can add a bunch of other things like adjustable stocks and release triggers, but they will only make a slight difference.
Sheet guns have comparatively short barrels and very little choke. They are lightweight. Sheet targets are never very far away from the shooter, but may be coming towards you, going away, or crossing in front of you at various angles. Their flight path is relatively easy to predict, so it's all a matter of the proper lead to hit the bird.
Using an autoloading field gun like an 11-87 or a SX-2 for skeet can be done, but most autoloaders are heavy and slow to swing. Using that same autoloader for trap is a matter of adding a lot of lead to put the shot pattern in the path of the bird.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
I shot trap at my club the other night for the first time ever - with my Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol..
I made a few hits, but yeah the short barrel was a disadvantage - I should have taken a picture next to the stack of fancy wood-stocked O/U shotguns.
I just started looking into a 'cheap' O/U shotgun for more trap/skeet but wow... $$$
Buy it now for $ 670 ! I paid $ 650 for a USED Browning BT-99 25 years ago !
You should jump on that !
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If you're shooting falling birds in trap you're waiting way too long.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Says 20 Ga in one area and 12 Ga in another. Also more than I'm willing to spend now..
99%of trap shooters shoot when the bird hits the apex. That meands the bird is falling by the time the shot string hits.
"Trap is for people too slow to shoot Skeet"...which is why I shoot Trap....got my ass handed to me trying Five Stand.Yeah I'm new to that whole thing - my club has both. I did trap - 5 positions rotating around. Other guys were great, offered to let me try their extra shotguns but I didn't want to like it too much then have to look into prices... which I already did.
(since it was my first time I asked for beginner advice and was told trap was slightly easier)
BT-99's typically go $900 and up (way up for new/EC)
GTN
.308 Win
5 Stand is trap, skeet, and sporting clays all wrapped together in a small area. It’s the most challenging of all the styles
Yeah, this is why most true trap guns don't work for me. I'm pathologically adverse to guns that aren't set point-of-aim (revolvers with 6-o'clock-hold mess me up, also).
I shoot trap with an 870TC, but I replaced the fixed-full choke barrel with another 30" barrel that allowed me to put in an improved-modified choke.
Just got a 25 yesterday.
I've had a lot of people say I wait too long to shoot, but I'm not the kind that can nail the bird as it comes out of the house or on the rise. Leading the bird, even when falling, is more my style (kinda like bullseying womp rats in my T-16 or leading the Zero as it arcs away after a strafing run).
An improved-modified choke gives me the ability to reach out farther, but still keeps the pattern wide enough for "pot shots" if I want to.
thegatman
.308 Win
Hessney auction has some BT-99 for auction.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm not trying to argue....just a statement. I'm certainly not a "career" shooter but I've been shooting for a couple years with dozens of trappers at many clubs. I honestly don't see anyone letting them get to apex.
I have let them go that far but just to "play" and see how far they can go and still hit em. It's not easy to whack them at that distance.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
One thing we can all agree on
A hit is a hit
A hit is a hit
Just remember they're going to charge a13% buyers premium, 8% sales tax, $25. transfer fee (appointment needed) or shipping to your FFL: A Remington .22 Rifle and a second very small box was $59.65 from their "Shipping Saint" I would expect that BT-99 in a Hard Case to be $50. to ship it.
I've bought a significant number of items from them: most of the time I came out alright as we pick up in person and had a FFL, sometimes the item(s) have hidden damage, unknown/undisclosed "issues" inaccurate descriptions, and usually Joe will make it right if it's on them, and in fairness they DO offer times for hands on inspections which are a good idea if you're serious about a particular item(s). I've been hosed on a few things, but averaging out I'd say we did alright.
Only thing I ever rejected was a "Sig 400" series that was listed as such only to find out the upper was Sig but was stuck on a Franklin lower that wasn't even a binary trigger.
Watch the Trap Clubs and put word out when visiting other Clubs during League Night that you're "looking" as there's almost always someone with one they're selling.
This place in Ohio was recommended, seven hours West of Syracuse: Jaqua's Fine Guns
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I bid on a few other things in that auction (I usually make a thread about it)... what's the going rate for pure-blood plasma these days..