2 cops shot serving warrent at wrong address

[Marine Cpl]

How would that person defend themselves at all then? How are you supposed to know who's breaking through your door? That's just a bizarre stance.

I think he's only seeing it from his point of view going in. But if for argument's sake the Fed's were no knocking for his wife for some hypothetical crime that she committed or he committed, he'd blast at the men breaking down his door.

 

[libertysnake]

I did my research and knew the guy was supposed to be heading to a DV anger management class.

Well if he's going actively to anger management, then it sounds like he's at least trying to improve his situation -- so that's a good sign he's probably in a mood to comply?

 

[Darth]

So are you of the opinion that this person loses their right to self defense if someone other than police breaks into their home? Also, what if this person legitimately didn't know it was the police breaking in?

I explained this last week.

No different than someone reaching for their waistband, getting shot, and then "it was just a cellphone!" After the fact.

It doesn't matter if it was the right place, right time and right person. If in the moment you fear for your life, what papers they have signed on their desk back at home, or if it wasn't really a gun he was reaching for does not matter. Not one cop will say "I have a problem with this shooting, because when you consider the facts, or legitimately was just a cell phone in his pocket he was going for."

I got told "I'm a cop so I know what's right" and that's what he went with.

I don't buy it.

 

[Darth]

How would that person defend themselves at all then? How are you supposed to know who's breaking through your door? That's just a bizarre stance.

Correct, his stance make no logical sense, and it's cut and dry blue bloods sticking together.

 

[Airborneguy]

How would that person defend themselves at all then? How are you supposed to know who's breaking through your door? That's just a bizarre stance.

That's the choice one makes when they decide to engage in criminal behavior within their home.

 

[Airborneguy]

I think he's only seeing it from his point of view going in. But if for argument's sake the Fed's were no knocking for his wife for some hypothetical crime that she committed or he committed, he'd blast at the men breaking down his door.

I probably would, but I would have never guessed that self-defense would then apply for me in that situation.

They should've killed him. And I do mean that. If I'm doing everything correct and by the law, and my partner is killed in front of me, I'm not going to be in an accepting surrender mood.

 

[Doc8404]

I probably would, but I would have never guessed that self-defense would then apply for me in that situation.

They should've killed him. And I do mean that. If I'm doing everything correct and by the law, and my partner is killed in front of me, I'm not going to be in an accepting surrender mood.

I’m a bit shocked and disappointed by your response knowing what we know.

At the same time, I am totally shocked they didn’t unleash hell immediately upon him firing. Tactical discipline at its finest.

I still want to know how and why they didn’t.
He just dropped the shotgun and they said, “whew. He unarmed himself. We are good. Hey, is Tom dead?”

 

[Airborneguy]

I'm not saying they should go back and kill him now, but "knowing what we know" is all after the fact information. I know that in the moment, I would've killed the guy rather than accept surrender.

Actually, on second thought, "knowing what we know", the jury there would then believe the junkie ex-GF over me!

 

[Doc8404]

I agree. When we were in Fallujah and the ROE changed, we had these discussions countless times.

Regrets no matter which way we played it.

 

[Doc8404]

Usually we erred on the side of @Airborneguy

 

[DoD1776]

2 Officers Shot Went to Wrong Address to Serve Warrant

Here is another situation where 2 cops were shot serving a warrant at the wrong address. Another incident where a CI gave bad info and police acted on it with what seems to be very little investigation. Lucky no one lost their life. Another innocent American is going to have his life ruined defending himself against the war on drugs.

How is his life ruined? Charges are dropped..

 

[Toecutter]

How is his life ruined? Charges are dropped..

For now. We will see if the DA will let this go especially in Maryland.

 

[Airborneguy]

I’m sure he’s disturbed knowing he shot two cops. Most rational humans would be.

 

[stuck in ny]

This is why we need landmines to keep armor from making people uppity. And 40mm bofors guns.

 

[Shadow2]

The same way police get off for shooting unarmed victims .. he was scared for his life ... its called equal protection ..

Yes.

Personal views aside, how can it be self-defense to fight back against a lawful arrest? If that’s the case, then law enforcement needs to stop completely.

 

[Shadow2]

was he a prior felon? If he has yet to be found guilty of a crime then he isn't a felon and had every right to defend himself against home invasion.

As a law biding gun owner who could potentially have his door kicked in by mistake or by false accusation. I would have no reason to believe police would ever be forcefully entering my home on a warrant. It would be in thier best interest to wait for daylight and call first. I will think its a home invasion.

Someone other than the police? No.

A legally obtained warrant resulting in the correct person being charged with the correct crime doesn’t sound to me like a situation where self-defense should apply.

Regardless of whether they knew it was the police coming in, the police were on the right side of the various laws involved and the information was correct.

 

[Trauma47645]

I think he's only seeing it from his point of view going in. But if for argument's sake the Fed's were no knocking for his wife for some hypothetical crime that she committed or he committed, he'd blast at the men breaking down his door.

All animals are equal... Some are just MORE equal than others...

 

[Airborneguy]

was he a prior felon? If he has yet to be found guilty of a crime then he isn't a felon and had every right to defend himself against home invasion.

As a law biding gun owner who could potentially have his door kicked in by mistake or by false accusation. I would have no reason to believe police would ever be forcefully entering my home on a warrant. It would be in thier best interest to wait for daylight and call first. I will think its a home invasion.

It was a lawful warrant, period. I have no clue why they didn’t kill him. They should have. I know I would have.

Wasn’t this thread months ago btw? I guess the nancy boys are looking for more arguments?

 

[Marine Cpl]

It was a lawful warrant, period. I have no clue why they didn’t kill him. They should have. I know I would have.

Wasn’t this thread months ago btw? I guess the nancy boys are looking for more arguments?

For the wrong house. That makes it unlawful.

 

[HEX]

Lots of posts deleted. Thread locked.

Had a post reported here by someone, and he was right to report it, but only after that person made continual personal attacks to begin with and then wanted to play victim. Some people are really on their last chances here. We're not going to put up with this personal attacks/insults stuff much longer. It's a constant problem of late. We're going to have to stop it one way or another, and soon.