2022 Lead Bullet Ban

[Xae289]

NY wants to ban use of lead ammo on state land or "land contributing surface water to the New York city water supply". Lead from hunters' bullets is an absolutely trivial source of environmental lead. This bill is trying to solve a non-existent problem in a way that places an unnecessary financial and availability burden on hunters. Lead-free ammo is not readily available in all common hunting cartridges, and even when it is available at all is significantly more expensive than traditional ammo.

This bill proposes to ban their use on state land, but soon enough, they will be happy to ban lead bullets altogether. With the current cost and availability of ammo, it's something we definitely don't need. I encourage you all to follow the link to voice your support against this bill.

NY State Assembly Bill 2021-A5728

Prohibits the use of lead ammunition in the taking of wildlife on wildlife management areas, state forests, forest preserves, state parks or any other state-owned land that is open for hunting and on land contributing surface water to the New York city water supply.

www.nysenate.gov

 

[Deplorable Me]

Considering that NYs can't unconditionally order ammo on line, the ammo shortage, plus this bill. A trifecta screw me in NY.

 

[FRANKIE]

Notice this only applies to hunters.
Doesn’t apply to wildlife on wildlife shootings.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Notice this only applies to hunters.
Doesn’t apply to wildlife on wildlife shootings.

If the surface city storm water catch basins drain into the water shed then they would.

 

[Saltwater60]

Good luck enforcing this.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Learn to code reload.

 

[Acer-m14]

all good .. steel core ammo .. LOL ..

 

[MuttCat]

Maybe NYC should treat it's water. The EPA has let the city skate on that forever.

You would think that the watershed was its own private country.

 

[Xae289]

Learn to code reload.

Doesn't help much when component lead-free bullets are still around $1/ea+.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Doesn't help much when component lead-free bullets are still around $1/ea+.

I was talking more about availability. If you want to hunt bad enough you'll have to pay to play. There will be some bullet out there that will work in your caliber. You can even go as far as making your own non lead bullets. Besides. Ammo is ridiculously expensive across the board anyway.

 

[meketrefe]

Some of the best conservationists and protectors of the environment I know are hunters and fishermen.
For actual hunting I dont see a huge problem essentially because one doesnt use many bullets and in the alternative designs one actually has one of the most effective designs one could use.
But for the same reason, because we do not use many it is not possible to conclude this has a significant impact in the environment.
Then in competition and target areas people should have a way to take some preventive measures and recovery therefore giving the option.
Indoors many places forbid cast but also because of the fumes.they allow fmj/tmj and have efficient recovery systems.
The US Army is the biggest polluter even they train in designated areas.
Imo Education is way more important than arbitrary enforcement everywhere but again, who really believes the health of the environment is their goal here?

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Good luck enforcing this.

They can kiss my ass. The bullets that actually end up in the ground wouldn't even actually register in the water pollution equation. There's a shit ton of other HUGE sources of pollution just waiting for attention. Just another way to squeeze hunters out of the game.....which is their goal.

 

[Acer-m14]

here are the watersheds .. omg all of NYS is one ..

DEC

Watersheds

A watershed is an area of land that drains water into a specific body of water. Watersheds include networks of rivers, streams, and lakes and the land area surrounding them. Watersheds are separated by high elevation geographic features (mountains, hills, ridges).

www.dec.ny.gov

Waters and Watersheds​

On this page you will find information and links for the following topics:

• Watersheds - Information on the 17 major watersheds in New York State, including individual waterbody reports (see below on this page)
• Lakes and Rivers - Material for lake and river management programs
• Oceans and Estuaries - Material on the five major, unique estuary systems in New York State
• Wetlands - Information on New York's tidal and freshwater wetlands
• Groundwater - Reports, maps, and definitions for groundwater

 

[MuttCat]

Just to clarify. NYC watersheds; West of Hudson, and east of Hudson

 

[Saltwater60]

I was talking more about availability. If you want to hunt bad enough you'll have to pay to play. There will be some bullet out there that will work in your caliber. You can even go as far as making your own non lead bullets. Besides. Ammo is ridiculously expensive across the board anyway.

That’s what this is about is reducing the number of hunters and then we don’t need guns right?

 

[Saltwater60]

Some of the best conservationists and protectors of the environment I know are hunters and fishermen.
For actual hunting I dont see a huge problem essentially because one doesnt use many bullets and in the alternative designs one actually has one of the most effective designs one could use.
But for the same reason, because we do not use many it is not possible to conclude this has a significant impact in the environment.
Then in competition and target areas people should have a way to take some preventive measures and recovery therefore giving the option.
Indoors many places forbid cast but also because of the fumes.they allow fmj/tmj and have efficient recovery systems.
The US Army is the biggest polluter even they train in designated areas.
Imo Education is way more important than arbitrary enforcement everywhere but again, who really believes the health of the environment is their goal here?

It’s not about how many you use to me it’s a mental block that you’re not going to pay say $50 for that box of ammo. It’s just like gas prices and the suspension of the gas tax. It’s $0.15/gallon, woo pie, but people want to see that price drop and they are happy. It only saves you a few bucks per week, but it’s all in what you feel and think.

 

[Bustedknees]

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Just to clarify. NYC watersheds; West of Hudson, and east of Hudson

Thank you! Now I know where to take a piss if Im passing through.

 

[kev74]

Is anyone else seeing wild animals dropping dead from lead poisoning all over the place?

 

[Bustedknees]

Is anyone else seeing wild animals dropping dead from lead poisoning all over the place?

Yep, last season I watching a ten pointer from my rifle scope when he suddenly dropped dead.

 

[MuttCat]

One indicator of lead ingestion is known to be weight gain....

 

[Saltwater60]

One indicator of lead ingestion is known to be weight gain....

Another is low mental function so are all demonrats lead poisoned?

 

[Acer-m14]

just had a truck at work .. dec logo on it .. fish and something .. tanks on the flat bed .. yep .. hauling baby trout .. to transfer to another hatchery
and driver said they will end up somewhere in Long Island .. i replied .. poor fish .. ..