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I wasn't going to post this because it's such a very long read, plus it's a copy - paste without a link.
There was no link provided where I got it from. And I didn't want to link a whole thread / page from another forum.
But because of the subject matter I changed my mind... So copy - paste it is.
It's a long read but worth the time IMO.
Written by Colorado's Eagle County Sheriff
Part 1 of 3
Many have asked for the last several weeks where I stood on the Extreme Risk Protection Order Bill, we took a considerable amount of time reading, researching, debating and editing, tonight I let you know. It is a very long read but felt it had to be!
One of our nation’s most controversial new laws spreading across the country is known as the Red Flag Law, which has been approved by the CO House & Senate, awaiting the Governor’s signature. It would go into effect on January 1, 2020. Its purpose is to identify potential dangers and neutralize them by removing weapons from those whose behavior may appear erratic and possibly dangerous. While on the surface it seems to be a great idea, like everything else that is complex, the devil is in the details, and these details are constitutionally troublesome.
The contradiction between wanting to actively stop a potential tragedy and respecting an individual’s fundamental rights is causing a huge discourse between legislators, law enforcement (who will be on the frontlines implementing the law), and the counties who will be expected to pay an unfunded mandate, out of tight budgets.
The Red Flag Law is officially known as, Extreme Risk Protection Orders, attempts to prevent harm, caused by those who are experiencing a mental health crisis, which may result in violence to themselves or others. The intent of the law is one in which we can all agree; the implementation is problematic.
The premise of the law, to prevent tragedy due to a mental health issue, is solid. The presumption of predicting behavior is questionable. In some cases, it is a rather explicit cause and effect… someone makes direct threats, along with a violent history, which indicates a likely outcome, justifying an extreme intervention. However, we must be cautious in making assumptions, as well as aware of the potential for abuse.
Each of the current 15-states & DC, have provisions unique to their jurisdictions, with the most sensitive, being in states where school shootings have occurred. In Colorado, we are still reeling from Columbine, the Aurora Theater, and other violent tragedies, so, all are motivated to seek solutions, and none more than our county Sheriffs.
The initial focus of the bill was relating to mental health and public safety. Everyone was in support of identifying those in emotional crisis and providing treatment before anyone was harmed, with an emphasis on suicide prevention and potential homicidal inclinations. While guns have played a part of the cases brought forth for consideration, the true issue was on the people, who were in such desperate need of treatment, that they acted beyond anyone’s anticipation, sometimes uncharacteristically, to the point of being considered a mortal danger to themselves or others.
However, typical of so many good ideas gone wrong, as this bill made its way through the state capitol this issue turned became highly political… going from cutting-edge mental health legislation to what is perceived by many to be a gun-grab, leaving the Constitution in its wake.
We had the unique opportunity of moving Colorado from 47th to 1st place in the nation on addressing the behavioral health crisis that has impacted communities across the country. I agree with the experts who consider mental health the primary cause of these violent attacks. A disturbed mind will not be deterred by the removal of their guns.
House Rep. Tom Sullivan, whose son was killed in the Aurora theater shooting in 2012 says, “This bill will give law enforcement and families the tools that they need to stop tragedies from constantly happening and save lives.” Yet, what the Red Flag law addresses, is merely one of the potential tools used in implementation; it does nothing to diminish the determination to accomplish the act. If it was only as simple as removing guns, we would have considerably less crime in this country, but as we have seen, many of our cities with the strictest gun laws, coincidently have the highest murder rates, proving, where there is a will, there is a way.
By removing guns from someone intent on committing suicide or murder, we still have the danger of someone who may be unbalanced, now, angrier than before, and looking for another means… explosives, poisons, knives, car incidents of mowing down groups of unsuspecting innocents, and if fixated on shooting… the illegal purchase of guns, as is evidenced by the numerous weapons owned by gang members, who couldn’t care less about gun laws. So, what can be done?
In Eagle County, we are at the forefront of establishing public-private partnerships, to become a model of mental health treatment for communities across the nation. Our county has engaged professionals, covering every aspect of the process, from hospitals to non-profits, to schools, employers, counselors, law enforcement, social services, sports organizations, community groups, clergy, and others. We seek to provide support on every level. If someone is in crisis, we want help to be readily accessible, and easy to engage.
Meanwhile, despite our incredible local progress, we are faced with the implications of this Red Flag law, and rather than help, it has the potential of creating additional barriers to effective mental health solutions, at increased cost, with legal complications that will likely lead to the Supreme Court.
Most people are unfamiliar with the challenges built into this law. Below are some issues we must consider as we proceed.
There was no link provided where I got it from. And I didn't want to link a whole thread / page from another forum.
But because of the subject matter I changed my mind... So copy - paste it is.
It's a long read but worth the time IMO.
Written by Colorado's Eagle County Sheriff
Part 1 of 3
Many have asked for the last several weeks where I stood on the Extreme Risk Protection Order Bill, we took a considerable amount of time reading, researching, debating and editing, tonight I let you know. It is a very long read but felt it had to be!
One of our nation’s most controversial new laws spreading across the country is known as the Red Flag Law, which has been approved by the CO House & Senate, awaiting the Governor’s signature. It would go into effect on January 1, 2020. Its purpose is to identify potential dangers and neutralize them by removing weapons from those whose behavior may appear erratic and possibly dangerous. While on the surface it seems to be a great idea, like everything else that is complex, the devil is in the details, and these details are constitutionally troublesome.
The contradiction between wanting to actively stop a potential tragedy and respecting an individual’s fundamental rights is causing a huge discourse between legislators, law enforcement (who will be on the frontlines implementing the law), and the counties who will be expected to pay an unfunded mandate, out of tight budgets.
The Red Flag Law is officially known as, Extreme Risk Protection Orders, attempts to prevent harm, caused by those who are experiencing a mental health crisis, which may result in violence to themselves or others. The intent of the law is one in which we can all agree; the implementation is problematic.
The premise of the law, to prevent tragedy due to a mental health issue, is solid. The presumption of predicting behavior is questionable. In some cases, it is a rather explicit cause and effect… someone makes direct threats, along with a violent history, which indicates a likely outcome, justifying an extreme intervention. However, we must be cautious in making assumptions, as well as aware of the potential for abuse.
Each of the current 15-states & DC, have provisions unique to their jurisdictions, with the most sensitive, being in states where school shootings have occurred. In Colorado, we are still reeling from Columbine, the Aurora Theater, and other violent tragedies, so, all are motivated to seek solutions, and none more than our county Sheriffs.
The initial focus of the bill was relating to mental health and public safety. Everyone was in support of identifying those in emotional crisis and providing treatment before anyone was harmed, with an emphasis on suicide prevention and potential homicidal inclinations. While guns have played a part of the cases brought forth for consideration, the true issue was on the people, who were in such desperate need of treatment, that they acted beyond anyone’s anticipation, sometimes uncharacteristically, to the point of being considered a mortal danger to themselves or others.
However, typical of so many good ideas gone wrong, as this bill made its way through the state capitol this issue turned became highly political… going from cutting-edge mental health legislation to what is perceived by many to be a gun-grab, leaving the Constitution in its wake.
We had the unique opportunity of moving Colorado from 47th to 1st place in the nation on addressing the behavioral health crisis that has impacted communities across the country. I agree with the experts who consider mental health the primary cause of these violent attacks. A disturbed mind will not be deterred by the removal of their guns.
House Rep. Tom Sullivan, whose son was killed in the Aurora theater shooting in 2012 says, “This bill will give law enforcement and families the tools that they need to stop tragedies from constantly happening and save lives.” Yet, what the Red Flag law addresses, is merely one of the potential tools used in implementation; it does nothing to diminish the determination to accomplish the act. If it was only as simple as removing guns, we would have considerably less crime in this country, but as we have seen, many of our cities with the strictest gun laws, coincidently have the highest murder rates, proving, where there is a will, there is a way.
By removing guns from someone intent on committing suicide or murder, we still have the danger of someone who may be unbalanced, now, angrier than before, and looking for another means… explosives, poisons, knives, car incidents of mowing down groups of unsuspecting innocents, and if fixated on shooting… the illegal purchase of guns, as is evidenced by the numerous weapons owned by gang members, who couldn’t care less about gun laws. So, what can be done?
In Eagle County, we are at the forefront of establishing public-private partnerships, to become a model of mental health treatment for communities across the nation. Our county has engaged professionals, covering every aspect of the process, from hospitals to non-profits, to schools, employers, counselors, law enforcement, social services, sports organizations, community groups, clergy, and others. We seek to provide support on every level. If someone is in crisis, we want help to be readily accessible, and easy to engage.
Meanwhile, despite our incredible local progress, we are faced with the implications of this Red Flag law, and rather than help, it has the potential of creating additional barriers to effective mental health solutions, at increased cost, with legal complications that will likely lead to the Supreme Court.
Most people are unfamiliar with the challenges built into this law. Below are some issues we must consider as we proceed.
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